Steve Irwin and the gorilla

yungthrowaway97 · 2021-10-12T18:22:38+00:00

Men and women are more likely to care about each other when not constantly fighting each other for total dominance and control of the relationship.

In other news, the sun is hot. More at 11.

Seriously though, I hope this is not new information to everyone. Oh wait, I'm in PPD...😅

Mrs_Drgree · 2021-10-12T18:14:57+00:00

he starts to open up more, listen more, and take more of a caring and nurturing posture toward her.

I think a lot of guys assume that this is what women want. And hell, maybe some women do. But plenty of women don't want men to "Oh, my dear child, you're hurt!" them. It is condescending and patronizing.

snowcakey · 2021-10-12T18:21:13+00:00

Give and take.

There are situations or problems that my SO is much more knowledgeable about or better at handling, since I love and respect my SO, I will happily “submit” and follow his lead in these instances.

Likewise, there are situations where I am much more knowledgeable about or better at handling than my SO, he has no problem handing my the reigns in these cases.

Men who want to be domineering and controlling to a completely and absolutely submissive women just screams red flag 🚩🚩🚩

Women who can never compromise and constantly resist & fight their SO are also red flags 🚩🚩🚩

Like your example, sometimes you gotta give in a little to get a little. This is for BOTH genders.

heyitsjeape · 2021-10-12T18:21:28+00:00

Not every one is looking to “dominate” another person in every scenario. This sounds like paranoia.

WilliamWyattD · 2021-10-12T18:24:34+00:00

I think there is something to this. It's hard to see what the primary driver is, though: the male desire to be dominant or the female desire to have a dominant male. Both are probably true, but the latter may be more determinant.

The tricky part is that the female is likely desperately afraid of having a male that just acts dominant and doesn't really live up to the role. So she is going to test him for general competence. Furthermore, dominance is ultimately a relative thing. She's may not only be trying to figure out if he is capable in general, but also more competent than her. Thus the testing. This seems to be the primary issue with a lot of the relationship advice that tells a woman to 'just let your man be the man'. The whole point of female intransigence in this area is that she wants him to MAKE her accept his dominance, not voluntarily accede to it. That is fake dominance, and not the real deal.

Of course, this means that for a lot of women who didn't marry a man more capable than her in whatever areas are required for him to truly establish the type of dominance she requires, there may be no perfect solution to this problem. Also, it should be noted that what this 'dominance' actually means in a practical sense in modern couples is hard to articulate perfectly. I do not think it means that most women want tyrannical pirate captains of their relationship. Finally, there is the usual caveat of their being tremendous individual variation. There are strong patterns, but some people deviate strongly from the norm.

One additional complexity is that not everything is about sexual dynamics. Most people can get a tremendous short-term rush of pleasure at exerting dominance over anyone else. It's easy to get caught up in that without thinking of the long term repercussions. Though, again, for the typical female, this still aligns with sexual strategy. This short term non-gender related pleasure just makes testing more fun. But pairing with the right male still solves all problems. He'll shut down or properly handle all her attempts to assume dominance, whatever the motivation.

gofigure62 · 2021-10-12T19:03:22+00:00

People who feel the need to dominate and have control in relationships have problems. Often problems with insecurity and attachment.

Trying to establish oneself at the "top" of a relationship is a sure way to fail romantically.

There are ways in which people establish boundaries in relationships, but wanting control and obedience in a relationship doesn't work outside of BDSM. Everyone gets resentful of the one sidedness. Humans are supposed to be mutually cooperative animals. One person getting the most and being indifferent to their partner will always fail eventually. People get fed up with this dynamic and it isn't sustainable.

sernamedeleted · 2021-10-12T22:00:59+00:00

Humans aren't Gorillas.

wtknight · 2021-10-12T19:18:56+00:00

A male female relationship should not be equated to a relationship between a human and less intelligent ape species. Men and women are equals and relationships should be egalitarian, with disputes settled by compromises.

superlurkage · 2021-10-12T20:46:22+00:00

You want women who want to be dominated? Have fun playing games then

UrFoodMolestedMyNose · 2021-10-13T01:11:58+00:00

Its anecdotal, but I tried the whole submissive gf thing with an ex after he started complaining about how demanding I was (I hated his friends and how he treated my friends. Don’t date the bad boy your friends all hate y’all ).

It was the weirdest experience ever. He just seemed confused the whole time and ultimately reacted by becoming a huge baby. It became a mommy - son dynamic really fast and I hated it the whole time (didn’t last too long after that). Never again.

groupme_throwaway · 2021-10-14T05:36:33+00:00

Yeah, this can definiltey happen, at least it has in my experience

source: girlfriend is a silverback

SonicBackScratcher · 2021-10-12T19:03:38+00:00

great zoologist Steve Irwin

I liked his shows, but great zoologist he was not, he was a great showman and great for awareness. When I heard he died I was sure it was going to be underwater you could see how awkward he was when he dived, and added he wore his khaki outfit while diving, which is a showman thing its not practical at all.

I think its a very tenuous argument to claim anything human, especially male-female dynamic from these kind of encounters. Gorillia's have evolved very differently from men with our last common ancestor being about 7.5 million years ago.

I've personally never felt that kind of dynamic in a relationship.

AnabolicPenguin · 2021-10-12T18:50:28+00:00

So actual like a woman get treated like one ? Lol

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upalse · 2021-10-13T14:59:14+00:00

Yup, most female primates subversively hot-cold their peers ("shit test your frenemies") to the hell and back on near constant basis. Weaker strata in overall conflict are keen on fluid pecking order and, respecting the status quo only opportunistically.

Male primates, on the other hand, just first assume they're above and transgress the boundary, to be subsequently put in place or win. From then on, the challenges in the male pecking order become infrequent ("loyalty"), unless there's power shift to warrant new challenge.

Signaling theory (but also Nietzsche, Master-Slave is the same thing) claims that this is emergent property in all relationships of multiple stratified hierarchies bargaining for power - the underdogs employ subversive tactics, while the dominant group is keen on status quo. For instance, disadvantaged/poor folk being more prone to lie and steal - as that is advantageous for them, while privileged/rich folk tend to prefer law and order, as that is in their best interest.

One has to keep in mind what subversiveness is: Overzealous to align with status quo whenever that is to one's advantage (ideation of dominant power), but also zero loyalty towards it. This results in a self-oppression paradox of status quo being de-facto maintained by the underdogs, even if dominant power that be would be open to reform, the underdogs that momentarily profit stifle it due to their strength in numbers. If you ever wondered why poor conservatives vote "against their own interests", look no further. Hypergamy is TRP-hamstered interpretation of same principle as well. Marxism recognizes the principle too (lumpenproletariat).

Title	Steve Irwin and the gorilla
Author	MisterJose
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Date	October 12, 2021 5:43 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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