Crazy female firefighter quota: Push for fifty percent women in fire services

HitlerHistorian · 2021-10-28T11:15:51+00:00

Well lets push for 50% male nurses

Nathaniel66 · 2021-10-28T10:15:29+00:00

Oh no problem, as long as they fulfill the requirements (including physical) that man.

sickcheesecake · 2021-10-28T11:49:17+00:00

There's a good reasonable argument why the majority of people would rather have a male firefighter save their house.

Men are more stable physically and can endure more pressure.

That's basic biology. Thats not excluding woman. It's just pointing out that men are more likely to endure more when it's coming to action.

annnoonnnoonn · 2021-10-28T12:30:33+00:00

Are they able to drag an unconscious person to safety?

DanteLivra · 2021-10-28T13:52:20+00:00

> as a woman it was appropriate for her to hug the father of an injured teenage girl to reassure him that his daughter would be ok.

Ah yes, men giving hugs is innapropriate. Thanks feminism for fighting against gender roles.

Also, let's fight fire with hugs, that'll show it !

IntroductionNew3421 · 2021-10-28T10:16:57+00:00

They should make special firefighter units made 100% by females. They should only go to womens houses.

Miggymoggy · 2021-10-28T10:48:06+00:00

Ask any woman this simple straight forward question

"If you are trapped in a fire, who would you want to rescue you? A fire fighter who is a man or woman?"

Any honest person would say a man.

my-blood · 2021-10-28T13:40:58+00:00

Hey I got no issues they just gotta make sure that the basic requirements aren't reduced lol.

program_mer · 2021-10-28T13:29:01+00:00

If they are eligible, why quota?! Or they lack minimum qualifications?!

someoneelseiknow · 2021-10-28T13:50:07+00:00

Anyone who can do the job I am ok with. I also do like when I work with people who fit into smaller spaces than I do.

I feel like quota would lead to discrimination though.

Shipendo · 2021-10-28T14:11:25+00:00

Gender shouldn't matter when hiring. The only thing that should matter is the person and his/hers qualifications. It's perfectly fine for more females to become firefighters, as long as they meet the physical requirements.

40moreyears · 2021-10-28T17:10:43+00:00

You know it really isn’t fair that we don’t allow women to be firefighters… oh, wait. There is no gender restrictions for being a firefighter? The woman who try just have a hard time making the physical requirements, or woman just don’t want to do it? Interesting 🤨

iluv_versed · 2021-10-28T15:43:20+00:00

Are they going to push for 50% oil rig workers?

DraganTehPro · 2021-10-28T14:08:51+00:00

When is the 50% military combat roles quota coming?

sgt_oddball_17 · 2021-10-28T17:41:44+00:00

Feminists: "But some women lift weights!"

Reality: "Those women had no trouble getting a firefighter job"

princelydeeds · 2021-10-28T18:39:48+00:00

😂😂😂😂😂

In 1 year, almost all of them will have quit or be trying to milk a disability hustle.

Firefighting is tough, hard work, especially in older cities.

A lot of men are going to struggle, with the difficulty of the work.

Almost all women, are going to struggle and sooner rather than later, their bodies are going to break down....

introspectthis · 2021-10-28T15:48:25+00:00

When the group of concern is responsible for saving the lives of others, and being able to save said lives is contingent on physical strength, prioritizing inclusivity becomes a nearly villainous act. Wilfully endangering the lives of those who have called to be saved, scared more than they ever have been as everything they have burns around them.. Intentionally forsaking one of, if not the most important factors (physical strength) for preventing agonizing deaths in the name of stroking egos in the triumph of, "Regardless of the consequences we are entitled to be equally involved" Is the absolute fucking height of selfishness.

OctaviaPinfold · 2021-10-28T16:41:22+00:00

That meant that a male applicant who ranked in the fifty first percentile of his gender stream missed out on a job even if he got a better score on his tests than a female.

Yay equality /s

Feminists are literally playing with people's lives now. All they want is to use physically demanding fields as entry points for cushion-filled management jobs where they can boss men around all day long, meanwhile they endanger the lives of others with people who can actually do the job having to cover for the women who can't and are only there to be promoted soon.

Ok_Research219 · 2021-10-28T11:10:14+00:00

Man, Female cops are peeling out like cowards when they see a guy get gunned down less than few feet away from them. These women want female firefighters like that. They might as well put up s’mores when the building is on fire.

itchyotcthy · 2021-10-28T12:54:17+00:00

Glad this is posted here as I would have done it.

Like Bettina's work.

Firm_Mobile3221 · 2021-10-28T16:37:22+00:00

For the record, let's state a reasonable position on this sort of situation.

Nothing I'm about to say is in any sense prejudicial to anyone's right to pursue any job they want to pursue. There are many men and women who excel in careers that are stereotypically done almost exclusively by people of the opposite sex. I have good friends in that situation who are aware of my views and agree with them. I don't think anyone has any problem with that if it happens on a truly equal opportunities basis.

I don't care (and nobody should care) what proportion of people of any demographic pursue any particular line of work. What I care about (and everyone should care about) is that everyone has the same opportunity to do that if they want to. The forces of hardline feminism will tell you that any situation where the distribution is not 50% men and women is evidence of people not having that same opportunity.

The problem is, it isn't even nearly that simple. I wish it were, I think we all wish it were, then this would be an easier discussion, but it isn't.

Men and women do not produce identical results on psychometric evaluations. That represents no negative judgment on anyone; it's often taken as a criticism of women, but it isn't. Different doesn't mean worse, and that is a reality that almost everyone in this debate accepts on some level. Hardline feminists typically concentrate on those differences which are unflattering to men, such as their increased average propensity to violence, and that's an absolutely valid statistic, just as much as women's increased average time to solve certain types of 3D puzzle.

What people on both sides of this debate overlook is that none of us are slaves to the statistics. Men are not universally violent; women are not universally slow at solving three-dimensional puzzles. The differences are actually not as big as many people expect them to be, anyway.

The key conclusion is that we would not expect men and women to have identical desires or to pursue the same goals in exactly 50% proportion. If you want to look at some interesting numbers on this, search for "Nordic paradox," which is based on some fairly recent data showing that given more latitude to pursue the interests they'd freely choose, on average, people actually tend toward gender-stereotypical work.

You don't even really need that, though. The idea that men and women do not have identical goals on average was more or less settled science for most of the twentieth century, and it's amazing that this has been somehow been manipulated into being a controversial issue. It isn't. About the only discussion point left in this debate is whether these findings are provoked by biological or sociological factors, the old nature or nurture debate, and the best information we have is that it's probably a bit of both.

The only corner this leaves for hardline feminism is to claim that we should try to remove those sociological factors; people should not be pushed down a particular career path by society's expectations. I have no great objection to that. Some people might say that so long as people are genuinely happy in their choices it's all good, and it isn't up to anyone to tell people what they should want to do. That's true enough, but on a species level it's probably good to have the greatest talent pool available for every job, and so I'd prefer we didn't live in a world in which societal pressure pushed young people down gender-specific career paths. I suspect that's inevitable to an extent, but I don't think it's overwhelming right now.

Either way, I don't think anyone has any real issue with young people being clearly informed they're free to pursue whatever they want, and I suspect doing that well might bring the numbers closer to 50% in many scenarios, but the problem is that hardline feminism has now staked a claim to a 50% distribution as the only acceptable goal. I don't think that is achievable without forcing people to take work they simply don't want, so what they're demanding is probably impossible, at least in any free society.

Again, I don't think the vast majority of people have any problem with people being encouraged to pursue whatever work they want, and it would be easy if a 50% distribution in everything were a reasonable goal. In the end, though, it's an unscratchable itch, an unachievable goal, even if it were a reasonable goal that were being pursued fairly.

And it isn't either of those things.

MrElderwood · 2021-10-28T18:38:35+00:00

When are people going to realise that most of the gender imbalance in careers is down to person preference, and not oppression?

The Scandi countries are the most egalitarian in the world, and women still broadly prefer the more historically female careers - teaching, nursing etc.

Men and women want different things, and when all things are equal they prove it with their actions!

pfizerface · 2021-10-28T20:54:38+00:00

Basically men firefighters have to work twice as much.

rabel111 · 2021-10-28T21:26:58+00:00

Whether including women in firefighting/rescue roles is appropriate or not, depends on whether they meet the required physical strength tests to do the job. It sounds like they don't, and the rules had to be changed so they could qualify.

What really gets me is that with all these fights to make women 50% of male dominated workplaces, and none to make men 50% of female dominated workplaces, we will end up with women needing to fill more than 50% of all available jobs. This seems implausible, particularly when women prefer part-time work, and have long periods of no unemployment/leave while having children. How does that work outside the deluded feminist bubble?

jeff_the_nurse · 2021-10-28T21:56:37+00:00

Just hold to the same standards as the men!

buckeye111 · 2021-10-29T01:43:43+00:00

How about we get the most physically capable people available that want to be a firefighter because lives are on the line.

EgalitarianFacts · 2021-10-29T04:18:55+00:00

50% quota for teachers!

50% quota for nurses!

50% quota for secretaries!

50% quota for child care workers!

EQUALITY FOR ALL!

RockmanXX · 2021-10-28T13:44:43+00:00

Make it 100%, GIRL POWER!! SLAY QUEEN!!

BuddhasRoadTrip · 2021-10-28T14:14:08+00:00

The CPAT consists of real world tasks a firefighter is likely to perform at a typical fire.

Adapting these tasks to make them easier for females to perform so they can get a passing grade is a disgusting and dangerous practice.

contraterrene · 2021-10-28T15:21:43+00:00

We all know what will happen and it's a good chance that the blame will fall on a man or men somewhere.

YourPillsAintWorkin · 2021-10-28T15:23:35+00:00

Can they carry a man on their shoulder?

DirtyPartyMan · 2021-10-28T15:42:36+00:00

As long as you get to create all female fire teams.

Starmind0 · 2021-10-28T17:51:30+00:00

You don't even see requirements for balance based on races, sexuality, religion, etc. Bullshit like this have always only applied for women because of the disgusting female privilege.

aigars2 · 2021-10-28T18:33:24+00:00

I don't think pushing anything upon people is good idea in a free society. There is an opportunity for everyone to work anything they want if they are capable of learning, doing it.

jessi387 · 2021-10-28T19:40:01+00:00

This is ludicrous and dangerous.

Adeus_Ayrton · 2021-10-28T20:28:00+00:00

If there's a female firefighter who can do this, and all the other awesome stuff firefigthers can without a second thought, then by all means let them.

But we know what's gonna happen, don't we. They're just gonna reduce the requirements, until firefighters have to get busy rescuing other firefighters, instead of the victims. And it'll promote huuuge workplace inequality, and damage the ties firefighters currently have to one another, destroying team work and team spirit. Not surprised one bit that this is Australia tho.

Panderjit_SinghVV · 2021-10-29T00:07:05+00:00

A higher proportion of men are in the work force so there’s no justification for insisting women be 50% of any occupation.

And of course there is never an excuse for sexually discriminating against men.

C20H25N3O-C21H30O2 · 2021-10-29T06:51:46+00:00

Do military next.

StudentOfTheTruth0 · 2021-11-02T04:39:27+00:00

And if not enough women sign up, defund the fire department for "misogyny" and let the fire take it all. Thinking about it, at least it would end feminism.

shortman162cm · 2021-10-28T13:31:53+00:00

in physically intensive jobs women definitely should get paid lower than men. Because men are stronger and have better stamina

bilgediver · 2021-10-28T12:26:45+00:00

Well the more firefighters that are women, the more firefighters that ARE women can assist out of danger in case of problems.

I guess.

nikgtasa · 2021-10-28T14:01:54+00:00

You'll burn.

j0k3ricu · 2021-10-28T14:26:21+00:00

So, if women who are applying are not fulfilling the physical requirements, should we force women who fulfill the physical requirements to become a fire fighters?

Sounds like an awesome Communist totalitarianism.

Reddit_Sux_Hardcore · 2021-10-28T14:40:40+00:00

I've had people argue with me that women should have no problem being a firefighter.

They think, since they can pass the tests, they should be able to do their job and I'm just "sexist".

Yea, what about carrying a 250+ pound man down some stairs, etc? What about breaking down doors? Yea...

Large-Cherry · 2021-10-28T15:02:12+00:00

So they’re gonna literally let the world burn

idreamofdeathsquads · 2021-10-28T16:33:50+00:00

do porta potty clesners next

CanniBal1320 · 2021-10-28T16:40:41+00:00

Uh well my biology class taught me that men r likely to perform better under those type of situations coz they r literally built to do that. I want to ask them , R u willing to risk lives of people who could have been saved just so u can fulfill ur propaganda? R u willing to risk the lives of the people who r their to rescue the victims so that u can fulfill ur propaganda? If u only just care about women, just think the amount of women that r going to die just because they were underqualified for the job? Lives r at stake here, human lives, Do u realise the value of human life?

Mythandros · 2021-10-28T16:42:32+00:00

Provided they can meet the same physical (and mental) standards as the men, cool.

If they are being hired due to a quota or are not required to be as capable as the men, fuck no. I don't want some 120 pound girl, wearing 20 pounds of gear trying to lift my fat ass and killing us both, thanks.

XXjusthereforpornXX · 2021-10-28T16:55:26+00:00

There also needs to be 50% female push in in plumbers, electricians, construction workers, janitors, oil rig workers.

YesYesYesVeryGood · 2021-10-28T21:02:54+00:00

I don't care if it's a man or a woman. If they can do the job within the guidelines it needs, do it.

Heck, I'm not afraid to give out jobs to immigrants as fire fighters also as long as they can do it well.

maciarc · 2021-10-28T21:13:55+00:00

I'm telling my grandchildren this is Daft Punk.

silly_little_jingle · 2021-10-28T21:14:12+00:00

I have 0 issue with it so long as they meet the physical requirements. The problem is them lowering the standards that male applicants are held to so that women can meet them.

It's a dangerous physically demanding jobs. Lower standards to be woke just puts lives in danger.

la_1099 · 2021-10-28T21:35:45+00:00

We need more female firefighters. 50% is a good number for starters but given how long this industry has been all male dominated, we need to push for more than 50%. I think 75% is a reasonable goal. And for anyone saying women can’t do the same physical work as men in this position: how dare you. it’s up to the women to decide which physical work her body can do. If she is not able to lift the hose or kick down a door, it’s not her fault. She doesn’t have to do these things if she feels her body can’t.

Upbeat_Trade6001 · 2021-10-29T06:42:15+00:00

Why only men have to risk their lives. It's fine let it slide.

Title	Crazy female firefighter quota: Push for fifty percent women in fire services
Author	goodmod
Upvotes	446
Comments	107
Date	October 28, 2021 10:13 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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