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[–]rurunoa 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (32 children) | Copy Link
i hated that movie and got so much second hand embarrassment from it
[–]smallstarseeker[S] 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Second hand embarassment?
[–]rurunoa 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago (2 children) | Copy Link
yeah i was embarrassed for the characters they were so cringeworthy
[–]smallstarseeker[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I get that too.
Some of my friends like to watch cringe scenes, but I can't because I feel embarassed seeing other people embarass themselves 😂
[–]rurunoa 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i kept laughing throughout i cant take it seriously lmao
[–]EnteFetz 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (27 children) | Copy Link
I guess most men hate that movie, because it shows how fucked up female sexuality is.
[–]Extremiditty 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think a lot of people hate that movie because it portrays abuse as BDSM which is dangerous.
[–]rurunoa 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago (24 children) | Copy Link
im a girl ☠️ and dont act like there arent thousands of men who are the male counterpart and have a rape fetish
[–]EnteFetz 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago (22 children) | Copy Link
Ok, sure male sexuality can lead some men into absolutely deprived shit while most men are not into that at all. While but 50 Shades of Grey is one of the best selling books of all time, which means for women it is normal to be attracted to this kind of abusive egoistic confident, Narcicist.
[–]rurunoa 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (21 children) | Copy Link
no it’s not normal, if we added up all the views of porn that clearly depicts women being abused (wether consensual or non consensual, because 50 shades of grey was also consensual) it would probably greatly outnumber the amount of women that bought these books and similar books.
[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // أشهد أن لا حبة إلا الحبة السوداء 5 points6 points7 points 1 year ago* (18 children) | Copy Link
unfortunately that porn is mostly consumed by women. what really shocks most men when they first find out about this or 365 days is just how ABSOLUTELY SHATTERED their preconceptions of women's sexuality are when they find out that women enjoy this sort of content and even produce it. FSOG and 365D were both books produced by women adapted into films, and FSOG was translated into more languages than the koran.
it is insane how deeply the denial runs and i'm glad i had someone to show me this shit, because every last one of my relatives, close and distant, would've denied it if i asked till they were blue in the face. your average male grows up being told by mom, aunty and the telly that women love "good" men who do as they are told and don't expect anything in return and only if they consistently prove that they're good people. (i'm sure you've heard all about that from people in this side of reddit.)
if women voted the way they fucked, i don't doubt that something like the NSDAP would win every election. and i don't believe that male sexuality is nobler, men are obviously not morally better. but seems to me there's less of a disconnect between what they say they want and what they go for.
[–]darksoul1622NeutralPill 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can't it just be ohh I don't that sexual desires and fantasies are different than what we want in every day life I am a kind gentleman for the most part but I absolutely love rough sex and even bdsm and sometimes being a sub but that doesn't translate to real every day life just in the bedroom
[–]rurunoa 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (11 children) | Copy Link
i am not denying anything i am just saying men are just as bad if not worse. i can’t control other womens sexual preferences.
[–]EnteFetz 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Definitely not all men are into dark shit. I am certainly not into any power play or things like that. I prefer vanilla and equality and communication in the bedroom. And I am quite sure most men I know would agree with me on that.
Most men just assume that women have much more innocent sexuality thoughts and interests, but the more I find out about what turns women on the more I am disgusted.
I hate your sexual preferences and your sexual preferences cause societal issues, while most men are lied to and therefore have wrong and much too innocent ideas about what women want.
[–]rurunoa 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (9 children) | Copy Link
? male sexual preferences also cause issues. They are the reason why prostitution and most of sexual abuse exists. There are women who like dark stuff and it is only surprising to you guys because they aren’t as out there with it as men are. Women are literally told to not be as out there, and that being open about your sexuality makes you "not wife material". Women are told to act innocent and not perverted while for men it is normal and nobody cares if they are. Also there are a lot of sexually submissive men lol
[–]EnteFetz 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (8 children) | Copy Link
You really have no idea about what I am trying to get across here.
Women have an enormous power over men. If women would consistently reward certain behaviour sexually and romantically then all men would do this behaviour.
At the same time women constantly lie about their own preferences and especially men are lied to about what women are looking for.
Men grow up with certain ideas what they have to do to appeal to women e.g. Treat her nice, buy her flowers etc... But most of that is total lies. Men who fully adhere to these traditional rules usually end up lonely and frustrated and resent women because he sees that you sleep with men who are not following the standards he is trying to adhere to.
I am not saying in any way that women should be less sexual. I actually see it as a problem that you are only sexually attracted to a small minority of men. I want women to be more open about their sexuality and tell us what you actually want.
But it does not matter how bad the men you are attracted to treat you. Sometimes you are even specifically turned on by toxic narcicistic and egoistic behaviour. Many women want to be dominated by a dangerous man.
The "nice guys" see that you vote for that and the nice guys start giving up their nice behaviour because they see that it does not help them get laid.
Women could collectively make men behave much better, but you consistently reward toxic behaviour with your pussies.
[–]mcove97NeutralPill 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I think that's cause it's not socially acceptable for women to speak about their sexual preferences, and even less so non vanilla sexual preferences. I also think a lot of women want to retain their reputation of innocence, and women aren't interested in being slut-shamed or looked down on for enjoying these things, myself included.
Personally I do enjoy a lot of BDSM with violent aspects to them because the power dynamic turns me on and pain translates to a lot of pleasure. Way more pleasure than I get from vanilla sex.
Just some of my own thoughts; the movies 365D and FSOG aren't good representations of healthy consensual BDSM Dynamics or relationships, but do they necessarily need to be? While it be nice to watch a movie with healthy BDSM relationship dynamics, part of what makes the plot of these movies somewhat interesting (not saying they're that interesting... they're rather dull softcore porn movies with a lot of music video montages and eye candy) is the conflicts.. and also they're fantasy movies, they're not supposed to reflect real relationships (though there certainly are people in BDSM Dynamics that are mistreated or abused) but I digress.
In the BDSM world, there's something called CNC or consensual non consent. Sex fantasies of rape play is a kink I think is way more common than most people think but it's also very taboo. Like if I went into a PC sub and stated that I enjoy rape play or CNC a lot of angry feminists would tell me I have internalized misogyny or that I have unresolved trauma or some other bull, and victims of actual rape may take offense that there's people who actually enjoy these kinda fantasies.
Though I was not a participant of FDS, I got banned from their sub for commenting in the BDSM sub because according to them BDSM is abuse, which is a fairly common misunderstanding but belief amongst a lot of feminists, and in particular radfems.
men are obviously not morally better.
And this is part of the issue. As long as people view CNC or rape kinks as immoral, obviously women aren't going to state this is something they enjoy to the public to protect their image and reputation. Men on this sub has frequently commented on how important the purity and innocence (n count etc) of their partner is and how important it is to a great deal of of men. Why would women go out and share their kinks if that would make men view them as "sluttier" and more "promiscuous"?
but seems to me there's less of a disconnect between what they say they want and what they go for.
Perhaps because the stigma vs men and women isn't the same?
Just some thoughts.
[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // أشهد أن لا حبة إلا الحبة السوداء 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
im not too sure the stigma is real. back on ppd i see a shitton of women stating with complete confidence that it's only 'insecure' 'immature' "incels" that care about n-count purity and that they have no problem starting families and getting married.
in the west at least, no one realistically expects to get hitched to a virgin anymore. it might really just be an overplayed fear some women have, and i think women dont hold anything back when talking to men they're attracted to.
[–]mcove97NeutralPill 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
overplayed fear some women have, and i think women dont hold anything back when talking to men they're attracted to.
I concur.
[–]AnActualPerson 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link
unfortunately that porn is mostly consumed by women.
You made this up.
[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW // أشهد أن لا حبة إلا الحبة السوداء 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i wish i did. but pretending women flick it to nice guys acting nice is cope.
[–]warramite 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link
it would probably greatly outnumber the amount of women that bought these books and similar books.
Statistics show women are the ones who enjoy violent porn.
New data reveals that women in their droves are searching for porn with tags like "extreme brutal gangbang", "forced" and "rape".
"A quarter of straight porn searches by women are for videos featuring violence against their own sex. Five percent of searches by women are for content portraying nonconsensual sex."
"While men still search for significantly more porn than women, search rates for these more extreme types of sexual content are at least twice as common among women than men."
[–]TryLambda 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
that proves my point about women and the football team
100%
[–]Glad-Discount-4761 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That movie was comedy and wtf
When he says,"oh.. You are english major? Was it Charlotte,Jane Austen or Thomas Hardy who made you fall in love with literature?".
Another,when she says,"Why do you want to do anything with me at all?"Christian pretending to have tempting presence, replied,"I am 50 shades of fucked up"
These made me laugh.
[–]anonymous-platypus1 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Christian Grey is beyond problematic. He’s just an entire red flag. The bdsm portrayal is abusive trash .
[–]IHateNormis 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (30 children) | Copy Link
I don’t watch these types of movies or read these types of books but the fact that the movies and books did so well says a lot about female sexuality. Box office numbers do not lie.
If it was a flop then you could make an argument that females do not like this stuff
[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (29 children) | Copy Link
There are also things that do well with women that include vanilla stuff, or things with men that involve hardcore kinks
Plus most of those were older women anyway
[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (28 children) | Copy Link
Females of all ages flocked to watch 50 shades of grey
[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (27 children) | Copy Link
The stats say it was mostly older women, but there are also wholesome shows you're ignoring
[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (26 children) | Copy Link
365 days isn’t more “wholesome”
[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (25 children) | Copy Link
Never watched some sappy romance youth show?
[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (24 children) | Copy Link
Yes, they make billions like 50 shades of grey
[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (23 children) | Copy Link
There are also billşons of degenerate stuff men like
[–]IHateNormis 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (22 children) | Copy Link
Men are treated as evil and terrible by society already. Men certainly like BDSM and all that rapey stuff less than females though.
[–]kokorwqac 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (21 children) | Copy Link
They do the rape irl
[–]Marzipan-Happy 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I just couldn't even. I just noped right on out of that one.
[–]DivineDaedraChadwife 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Fifty Shades has drawn criticism from a LOT of people for the way Grey acts.
[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (4 children) | Copy Link
But then he spawned a ton of billionaire romance books. Romance books are the most commonly read women's lit. In fact it is one of the most popular genres, period.
[–]DivineDaedraChadwife 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yes, and there are a wide variety of romance books out there. They’re like porn for Christian housewives lmao
The allure of being told to do what you already wanted to do (when you’re not supposed to want to do it) is pretty strong for people who are told not to want certain things. Toxic romance novels are popular but that doesn’t make them any less toxic and there are a lot of people who openly criticize the genre.
[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Of course they're toxic. My issue is how many people are criticizing them publicly and fapping to them in private? The sheer popularity of these books makes that question a valid one.
[–]DivineDaedraChadwife 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link
People masturbate to problematic porn all the time.
It’s very common to find something arousing in theory without actually wanting to experience it.
[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wouldn't say very common but I agree it happens.
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