Who is toxicly masculine and proud of that?

i_have_a_rare_name · 2022-12-17T23:10:07+00:00

I hate people who hate women. I hate people who hate men too

Reasonable_Listen514 · 2022-12-18T01:28:45+00:00

There's no such thing as toxic masculinity. It is nothing more than a term used by feminists to demonize men, and to try to shame men to act more feminine.

Rock_Granite · 2022-12-18T01:25:55+00:00

everyone complains about toxic masculinity until there's a spider that needs killing

somethingneet · 2022-12-17T21:01:23+00:00

That shit ain't real

AndyBrown65 · 2022-12-17T23:16:22+00:00

Toxic masculinity is just a bullying term to describe anything that doesn’t benefit women, until they need it

greenglobones · 2022-12-17T23:01:40+00:00

I doubt it’s a real thing but I like boy stuff and doing boy things.. so maybe?

Thrasher666Bassist · 2022-12-17T20:01:30+00:00

Nah, toxic masculinity is definitely a thing. Masculinity is a good and necessary thing, but too much of anything is bad. Calling people pussies and telling people to toughen up and stop being soft when talking about mental needs, emotional needs and anxiety is 1000% toxic.

tonyplayzetc · 2022-12-17T23:06:18+00:00

That's a feminist/ leftist word. I don't use it.

OctaviaPinfold · 2022-12-18T00:29:25+00:00

To be frank stoicism, strength and dominance aren't inherently masculine traits, one is a philosophy, people throwing the word around probably wouldn't even be able to describe it loosely, let alone actually explain what it means, strength is viewed as positive regardless of gender, and dominance is a character trait with a very uneven distribution among men but also common among women. Virility is the only masculine trait but only because it is essentially defined as everything male, although with exaggerations. The whole idea of a toxic masculinity is an orbital oversimplification of human nature with regards to the stereotypical asshole man who usually isn't tolerated by most men, either, but its point is generalization and not accuracy.

userdju · 2022-12-18T01:42:04+00:00

Toxic masculinity is not about being too masculine It is more about the necessity to prove that you really are masculine, which is harmful to the person trying to prove their masculinity and often to the society.

The most common example: "a real man doesn't cry". It is a belief that is still disseminated in society. Man who try to live up to this standard will probably have some real mental health problems and maybe even have difficulties in socializing. They don't feel like they share their feelings. And knowing some people that actually live to this standard (and others imposed by the patriarchy) it is a harmful standard and a good example of toxic masculinity.

SleeplessSeaTac · 2022-12-18T05:40:30+00:00

I'm male.
I'm masculine.
I'm NOT toxic.

The idea that in the spectrum of masculinity there is a "bad-part" is a VERY false premise, and one I simple refuse to accept. Toxic people are simply toxic people. You don't BECOME toxic by being more-male. People become toxic by... well... becoming toxic.

There are smart people that are sociopaths. We don't call them Toxic Intellectualism. We call them sociopaths. TOXIC is a perfect word to describe toxic behavior. No need to add a modifier like "masculinity". One has NOTHING to do with the other.

_Denzo · 2022-12-17T22:44:53+00:00

Andrew Tate, and young kids look up to him because their parents are like “you have to be manly”

Ok_FlowX · 2022-12-18T21:36:10+00:00

I don't think any traditional society has ever been proud of toxic masculinity. Just look at the old Popeye's cartoons. Pluto is portrayed as the bad guy for being an arrogant meat head while the kinder Popeye is the good guy.

Ironically you see more toxic masculinity is media aimed at women and the "more advanced" media after the Counterculture.

rabel111 · 2022-12-18T22:30:23+00:00

Toxic masculinity is feminist hate speech. It is a term used by feminists to vilify men and boys, imposed on men despite being known to offend and alienate, and redefined as required to frame negative perceptions of men and boys as biological/behavioral fact.

Hyper masculinity is in the same category of hate speech. It requires a baseline belief that masculinity is inherently toxic/harmful, therefore hyper masculinity is very toxic/harmful. If masculinity were to be framed in positive or even neutral terms, hypermasculinity could not be so extremely negative or harmful and would simply be very masculine.

Similarly, toxic masculinity is a surrogate for the toxic feminist strawman of masculinity the is comprised of everything radical feminists hate about men (like everything vaguely male). It is very similar, and most likely derived from the framing of masculinity by the feminist psychotic Valerie Solanas, in her the SCUM manifesto ranting.

The argument that toxic masculinity has an important meaninng in the behavioral study of masculinity and the mental health of men and boys, and that its actual meaning can be seperated from its literal meaning, is indicative of entrenched misandry. This argument insists that its reasonable to attach an offensive global term with an entirely negative meaning and a high magnitude harm, to the broadest categorisation of men and boys, and then pretend it only refers to a small subset of characteristics.

Even the subset of characteristics frequently attached for those who endorse the use of this hate speech, is based on entrenched misandry. Traditional masculinity is targeted as a set of charcteristics that are bad for men and women. But traditional masculinity is a nonsense term, as masculinity transends culture and time, is dynamic, and cannot be traditional. Traditional can only be accurately applied to gender roles, and these are imposed on men by society as a whole, and policed more by women than men.

In particular, feminists insist men remain contrained by traditional gender roles by being the responsible person in terms on consent, financial support of the family (women), protecting the community (women) from crime, disaster, war and frustration of free will.

WhereProgressIsMade · 2022-12-17T23:13:25+00:00

You’re thinking of dominance too narrowly. It can also refer to a person who is “the life of the party.” You can be socially dominant simply via charisma, reputation, and staying positive - no bullying or put downs required. Someone people want to be around because they always come away feeling better.

Some certainly take it in the negative direction but the word didn’t use to come with an automatic negative connotation like it seems to now.

g1455ofwater · 2022-12-17T23:58:39+00:00

It's hate. It's meant to attack men, that's the intended purpose of the term. It doesn't make sense because they don't really care if it makes sense they just use it to gain power over men or certain men.

gamerlololdude · 2022-12-18T06:20:42+00:00

this sounds like some Andrew Tate shit lol. wtf is "traditional man". comes off like you want to follow some Mormon Christian fundamentalist lifestyle. idk I guess you could for yourself but there are more free modes of existing. Read about religious trauma syndrome and https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339474273_The_Role_of_Fear_and_Learned_Helplessness_in_Authoritarian_Thinking_Interdisciplinary_reinterpretation_of_the_underlying_thinking_patterns_of_authoritarianism and https://docdro.id/dR1poJL before going on that path.

toxic masculinity is a very useful concept for understanding colonialism impacts and White (English, from British Empire) culture. like trying to understand how to fix sexual assault issues in the military, those come from toxic masculinity.

the mere fact that people feel they have to be within a binary gender as if there is a concept of "manliness" is problematic since gender identity is a spectrum. "manliness" means different things within different cultures. including absolute opposites like what is deemed feminine in US can be deemed masculine in other cultures, easy example is long hair. But there are deeper things like all those things you listed could be easily feminine in another culture. Or just not be separated this stupidly. Like the emotional intelligence being feminine and leadership being masculine is a purely White culture thing.

The gender binary is a colonialism thing. It is a piece part of the cisheteropatriarchy, amatonormativity, bionormativity. basically the human puppy mill mentality that was instilled by force on Indigenous people in British Empire colonies, so North America. And also through having people immigrate there. The ruling class profited off that, colonies are an extension of the working class. Since then it creates a cycle of people breeding and working to get exploited under capitalism.

WowwOkk__ · 2022-12-18T10:47:34+00:00

I assume it more like yin/yang traits. So a heightened feminine or masculine trait set would have toxic qualities. But I never hear other people use that

It's a shame I can't say "toxic yang" or "toxic yin" and be taken seriously, but that's the way I view the issue when I remove the social issues and implications which is probably why I'm able to avoid grouping traits to people as a whole , since these traits are individual.

To that point, most of the posts on feminism subreddits are hyper masculine. They use curt but fallible "logic" to oppress and dismiss the voices of dissenters and the point is usually to appear sophisticated while giving an "ah I gotcha, you seem upset because we are right and you're bad!".

Men get shamed for appearing irrational and emotional on those subs all the time. They actively shame yin qualities and I think feminism as a whole is a masculine trait movement void of depth, warmth, and compassion that comes from happy balance.

Giga_mad69 · 2022-12-18T04:54:47+00:00

These days being proud of embracing how guys have always acted is toxic masculinity. So I guess I am

androkguz · 2022-12-17T21:46:43+00:00

Toxic masculinity is a subclass of masculinity, not a descriptor of it and its pretty fucking real. As is toxic feminity and there's tons of toxic [X]. Toxic parenting, toxic friendships, etc.

In this particular case is when you are being masculine but in a very toxic way or when you are being toxic because of things you were taught that were part of the package of being manly. It sucks and should not be fomented

jask0wn3d · 2022-12-18T06:01:53+00:00

I don't call it toxic masculinity, I call it masculinity. How often do I see Ghetto Chicks who are drunk and wanna fight at a train station with strangers? Their mouths are often dirtier than those of men. I never heard of somebody using "Toxic Feminity." Personally, I live in Germany but originally I'm from Bosnia (Balkans). We are proud of our masculinity. We protect our families and wives and most of them are intact because of conservatism and moral values. It is a lot more healthy than this "TOXIC WESTERN WORLD." That is toxic.

Men in Germany are feminized and can't say anymore what they think, Women decide for them and in the end, the still aren't satisfied. As a hint for all of you men! Don't marry in the US, Western Europe, etc. Marry in 2nd/3rd world countries that aren't affected that hard by feminism. Your wife will value you more and you will value your wife more. Yin and Yang as it should be from mother nature :)

Laniekea · 2022-12-18T00:52:08+00:00

I don't think you understand the definition.

It's not a man who chooses for himself to be masculine, it's men who push stereotypes or expectations of masculinity on other men at consequence to their well being. Such as making fun a man for being emotional. Or excusing bullying as "boys will be boys". Making fun of a man for being a virgin

Traditionally masculine traits such as devotion to work, pride in excelling at sports, and providing for one's family, are not considered to be "toxic".

DavorOnrstovic · 2022-12-17T22:11:26+00:00

I think toxic masculinity is "acting" manly rather than being manly.

Humble_Measurement_7 · 2022-12-18T21:03:32+00:00

I'd answer but I can't see my comment.

Title	Who is toxicly masculine and proud of that?
Author	tonyplayzetc
Upvotes	81
Comments	114
Date	December 17, 2022 7:54 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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