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Woman, 28, avoids jail after grooming boy, 15, who felt like he had 'hit the jackpot'. - The fact little boys are taught by society that rape is fine if it’s inflicted on them because it’s ‘cool’. Absolutely disgusting.

hazelinside

January 18, 2023
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Title Woman, 28, avoids jail after grooming boy, 15, who felt like he had 'hit the jackpot'. - The fact little boys are taught by society that rape is fine if it’s inflicted on them because it’s ‘cool’. Absolutely disgusting.
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Date January 18, 2023 9:27 AM UTC
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It is truly terrifying how much the exploitation of young boys is overlooked.

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[–]niko_xf 273 points274 points275 points 3 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

So she was grooming the boy, fucked him, gave him drugs and alcohol and then a suspended sentence?!? And of course, since she is a woman, we get to hear all the excuses about growing up in a bad situation. She is also taking drugs and is a mother. I wonder if she is going to lose child custody.

[–]johnnycarrotheid 47 points48 points49 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Probably avoided jail because then they'd have a kid to shuffle through the system. If there's a kid, sentences are very rarely prison time. 60hrs community service, known people get more than 60hrs or that, for doing a lot less.

[–]niko_xf 53 points54 points55 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Would they do the same if that was a single father? We know they wouldn't. And the child is probably destined to failure being raised by a mother like her.

[–]ExMuzzy 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Weirdly, it's only under 13's who cannot legally consent to sex at all in the UK. So technically, if the judge believed a female child between 13-15 consented to sex it wouldn't be rape either. However, I doubt a judge would believe a girl consented in the same scenario.

[–]denyjunctionfunction 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That’s not how I read it.

c)either—

(i)B is under 16 and A does not reasonably believe that B is 16 or over, or

(ii)B is under 13.

To me that reads there is a hardline, no excuse/defense if the kid is under 13. If the kid is under 16 and at least 13, the defendant can try to argue that they thought the kid was 16+ and that this belief was reasonable.“Consent” of the kid is irrelevant.

[–]ExMuzzy 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

The consent determines which crime it’s charged under. If a teen does not consent then the adult would either be charged with rape or in this case sexual activity without consent since it’s a woman. If the courts think there was consent then it falls under sexual activity with a child as I linked above.

There are separate legislations for under 13’s where consent does not matter at all.

Edit:It's also stated by CPS:

If there are difficulties proving the non-consensual offence, then an offence under section 9 may be appropriate (where the elements can be proved).

When there is an absence of consent, and an absence of reasonable belief in consent non-consensual non-consensual offences contrary to sections 1-4 or 5-8 SOA 2003 are also available but as per R v Pain [2018] EWCA Crim 90 prosecutors should always have regard to available sentencing options. The case of Pain featured consensual penetrative sexual activity between an adult and a 15 year old boy and the decision by the prosecution to favour Section 3 SOA 2003 charges instead of Section 9 SOA 2003 charges was criticised on the basis that the court’s sentencing powers were limited. The court observed “on any view they were offences of sexual activity with a child and therefore could, and in our view should, have been charged as section 9 offences, with a higher maximum penalty.”

If a child is under 13 and the age can be proved, prosecutors should charge a non-consensual offence under sections 5 - 8.

[–]denyjunctionfunction 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Just to be clear, you’ve cited 3 different laws/rules. My post was against the first one which you claimed to deal with consent. It straight up does not.

Second it sounds like CPS is saying there was a major fuck up in that case and it should have been charged under section 9 where consent doesn’t matter. So no, the consent isn’t what determines which crime it’s charged under.

[–]ExMuzzy 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The CPS case mentioned "featured consensual penetrative sexual activity" so in that situation they are saying to charge under section 9 because they can get it to stick rather than sections 1-4 which specifically state the offences are for non-consensual sexual activity. So yes, the prosecution fucked up by using section 3.

My point is that in cases where there is belief of non-consensual sexual activity, sections 1-4 are the offences that prosecutors will attempt to charge under.

[–]denyjunctionfunction 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“on any view they were offences of sexual activity with a child and therefore could, and in our view should, have been charged as section 9 offences, with a higher maximum penalty.”

This quote you posted says that they should use the non-consent examining law when they can because it applies to the facts of the case (ie, the most applicable law to charge under). Not use it just because we can’t prove they didn’t consent.

My point is that in cases where there is belief of non-consensual sexual activity, sections 1-4 are the offences that prosecutors will attempt to charge under.

Only after examining whether the section 9 offenses apply. They would only use those ones AFTER determining that section 9 doesn’t apply either because the age isn’t there or because the case fit into the reasonable belief that the kid was 16+ or w/e it said exception. CPS, if they were consistent, would say that a judge examining the case in the original post, or a gender flipped one, should not look to see if there was consent until after they have determined there was a reasonable belief that the accused thought the kid was 16+.

[–]hazelinside[S] 94 points95 points96 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Exactly that. It’s absolutely wild. There is no accountability for these women.

I’m a 19 year old girl. I feel weird even being FRIENDS with anybody under 18. I cannot possibly imagine being 28 years of age and having sex with (raping) a 15 year old.

But the problem is there’s 0 accountability for this. It’s seen as ‘cool’ for young boys to ‘pull’ older women and everybody is celebrated for it. It’s disgusting.

[–]Angryasfk 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And here’s the point. Girls typically mature a couple of years or more earlier than guys. On average a 15 year old girl is more likely to be physically and sexually mature than a 15 year old boy, and more emotionally mature too. Yet we treat an adult taking sexual advantage of the girl more seriously (much more seriously) than taking advantage of the 15 year old boy. If it’s all about “maturity” and not the calendar age, logic would suggest that the girl would be more mature and hence able to give consent! But society and the media does the opposite. Some of it is, I guess, that she’s got more to lose, as she could become pregnant. That’s fair enough I suppose. But why female perpetrators get this special consideration is, and should be, scandalous!

[–]Rbebebebdbebe 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They’re not more emotionally mature. They go through puberty earlier and that is it. Nothing more

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women, and especially feminists, love to claim how much more “mature” girls are than boys. Hoist by their own petard?

[–]Amazing-Bit6140 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not quite getting away with murder... but it's damn close

[–]Achack 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

gave him drugs and alcohol

That alone would be enough to royally fuck up the life of most men.

[–]thatusenameistaken 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So she was grooming the boy, fucked raped him

Why do people dance around this word when women rape boys, even in this sub?

Also,

gave him drugs and alcohol

came before the raping. so she literally drugged him to remove his ability to consent, as if that matters when it's 28 vs 15.

[–]Futureman999 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's time to stop listening to their perpetual victimhood narrative on reddit and elsewhere, women really are above the law and it needs to end.

[–]Angryasfk 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She won’t lose custody. And she’d almost certainly be serving time if she had been a he and the kid a girl and not a boy.

[–]p3ngwin 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So she was grooming the boy, fucked him, gave him drugs and alcohol and then a suspended sentence?!?

Don't forget the child porn o.O

​

Lines also confessed to three counts of possessing indecent images of the child, and the supply and possession of a Class B drug.

[–]tr33lover1482 33 points34 points35 points 3 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

The first sentence alone is already so wrong, you think if it was a guy who had a kid it would say "a father" no. And would it say "sexual activity" hell no, it would say rape, as it should be, but because it is a women they try to get you to feel simpathy with her and downplay what happened

[–]Angryasfk 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

He’d be a “rapist”, a “pedophile” and a child molester. Prince Andrew is called a pedophile because his accuser says she was 17 at the time. If Prince Andrew is a pedophile for having sex with a 17 year old, why isn’t a grown woman a pedophile for having sex with a 15 year old? And we’re talking about someone who has “status” here. The teacher would know the age of her student too!

The truth is that it’s seen as a lessor offence if a woman does it to a male. And surely this is a reason why there is so little scrutiny given to sexual abuse of minors in state schools where the teachers are ever more female.

[–]Early-Department-234 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not a lawyer, but if anyone you know was abused by a teacher in Canada, don't wait until they are an adult to file a complaint. The teacher's union has a neat trick to accuse the victim of criminally harassing the female teacher, and the police are forced to arrest the victim.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree with that, even without those laws. It’s hard to investigate old cases. That’s why there is a statute of limitations. I agree it should not let off such serious offenders as this. But the principle is the same that it is hard to prove, or provide a sufficient defence if it’s decades old. If strong evidence is there the cases should be proceeded with, but I’ve seen it argued by judges that the accuser’s testimony should be preferred to any defence witnesses due to the fact that the accuser has “more reason to remember”. Furthermore the same judges in the same judgement claimed that inconsistencies and deviations from independently established facts made the accuser’s claims “more credible” as it apparently shows they weren’t “fabricated and rehearsed”.

This sounds too much like guilt by accusation. We’re on dangerous ground here, and eventually there will be pushback. Which will mean that only relatively fresh allegations can be convincingly prosecuted.

From what I can see there is a desire to maintain as much silence as possible over child sexual abuse in State Schools. In stark contrast to the desire to expose Church based sexual abuse or by extension that in church based schools. And for this I don’t believe that the attacks on various Church bodies is really about a desire to stop the abuse of children at all. And it is not about coverup either. I went to a state school and they had no interest in investigating allegations of abuse. On the contrary we were admonished for making such claims by our own teacher (who wasn’t the one accused btw).

This is why sexual abuse by female teachers is ignored or downplayed IMHO. It does not suit the picture the powers that be want to paint. Which surely demonstrates that the “powers that be” are hardly “the patriarchy” of feminist propaganda. A “patriarchy” would be heavily concerned with women who step out of line. But it’s the opposite that’s true.

[–]Early-Department-234 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Female accusers have the liberty to wait until they are almost retirement age to allege sexual abuse, and they are believed.
Meanwhile, as soon as a young male victim turns an adult, he is automatically a criminal harasser of women if he files a complaint.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yet more of the unequal laws/policies feminism loves so much.

[–]p3ngwin 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Groomed, drugged, raped, and possessing child porn.

No jail o.O

[–]ExMuzzy 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

To be accurate, if the judge believed a 15 year old girl consented to sex with an adult he wouldn't be charged with rape either but this same offence. For some reason in the UK, age of consent is 16 but 13-15 year olds can be considered to have the mental capacity to consent to sex (still illegal), only under 13's cannot. Regardless, a woman still cannot be charged with rape even if no consent and I doubt the judge would believe a girl who was groomed consented to sex.

Edit: Cleared up some wording

[–]WaXeDaddy 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Woah 13 really? That’s fucked!

[–]ExMuzzy 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's quite weird. The age of consent is 16 but only under 13's are considered to lack any mental capacity to consent.

[–]tr33lover1482 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's that young in the UK? Damn.

[–]ExMuzzy 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it's pretty weird. It's still illegal for an adult to have sex with them but UK courts believe that 13-15 year olds have the capacity to consent to sex. If there's consent it would be 'Sexual activity with a child', if no consent then it's 'rape' for male offender and 'Causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent' for a female offender. Rape is the only one that has 4 years prison minimum.

[–]tr33lover1482 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

UK rape laws are horrible, in the law it doesn't even say "if the person" it says "if he" literally in the law it says women can not rape, why hasn't anyone done anything about that

[–]ExMuzzy 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It sucks. We've done a few petitions to make it gender neutral but the government ends up rejecting them. They say the maximum sentence for both crimes are the same, conveniently ignoring that the female equivalent offence starts off with a community order and allows the judge to give women a suspended sentence if they believe they can be rehabilitated.

[–]tr33lover1482 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They have a new prime minister now so maybe that can finally change

[–]grhhull 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The legal age of consent in the UK is 16.

It is a criminal offence (sexual assault) if you have sex with someone when you, or they, are under the age of 16, even if you have both given consent. In the eyes of the law you are unable to consent to sex when under the age of 16.

“13-15” is incorrect.

[–]ExMuzzy 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't word it well. Only under 13's completely lack the capacity to consent in the UK, I didn't mean to imply the age of consent is 13. An adult who has sex with a 13-15 year old will face a different charge if the courts believe the child consented (Sexual activity with a child). If the courts deem there was no consent it would fall under rape or causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent.

[–]Deep_Player_765 61 points62 points63 points 3 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

I thank God for this Group you guys are the fucking best y'all keeping all men posted about the bullshit in society 💪💪

[–]hazelinside[S] 38 points39 points40 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Honestly I’m so glad I found this sub. It’s really opened my eyes to problems that aren’t discussed and I had never really considered 🙏

[–]Amazing-Bit6140 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men are gaslit since birth into believing everything is their fault and that women are never wrong. Women have abused their childcare positions of power to their own benefit in every way they've accused men of doing in society.

Like, seriously, 70% of adult males in the USA were strapped down, molested, and mutilated at birth and are attacked for even calling it sexual abuse, isn't exactly surprising they consider other forms of abuse as rewards because at least it's not being mutilated again.

[–]hazelinside[S] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s certainly very eye opening.

I’ve always been fairly neutral on the feminist movement, mostly because as a girl, you’re taught about it through a very rose tinted lens. I was mostly apolitical until recently, so I didn’t think poorly of the feminist movement since everything I was told was of how it benefits my life, how oppressed I am etc.

It’s in the past year or two since becoming an ‘adult’ that I’ve started to look into my political views and leanings and such, and I stumbled across the MRA movement completely by accident. I’m very grateful that I am though. I think it’s widened my ability to scrutinise more and form my own opinions when it comes to what I’m told.

[–]Amazing-Bit6140 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah and they'll keep gaslighting you about it, too.

From the very beginning, feminism was about getting special privileges and power to women, at men's expense.

Early suffragettes would firebomb churches as terrorists to get women the vote, which most women didn't want because for men it explicitly came with the burden of war. Feminists pushed and succeeded in getting the right to vote, something men still to this day do not have. We only have the privilege if we pay for it

[–]SmellyGoat11 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Prepare for weirdos to look through your post history and assume you're a man 😂

[–]hazelinside[S] 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

LOL it has already happened a few times today! But it’s fine by me, doesn’t impact my opinion

[–]SmellyGoat11 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You've got a good head on your shoulders at 19. 🤙

[–]WaXeDaddy 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hell yea brother! We have to stick together in this mad world.

[+]Psythik -20 points-19 points-18 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I like this sub but at times it can get a little too incel-y. Some of y'all don't spend enough time around women their age and it shows.

[–]Deep_Player_765 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I get that but we still have lives and date chicks but this group is made to red pill men to let them know the system is not on our side and how we can move to get what we want.

[–]Angryasfk 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You get a lot of guys who’ve been smashed by the divorce system; or fallen foul of the various unequal laws feminists have had established, or “Metoo” and other such asymmetrical standards we’ve had imposed supposedly in the name of “equality”. All too often people don’t realise what’s going on until it happens to them, or someone close to them. So it’s to be expected that the sub will tend to have a lot of bitter guys who’ve been screwed over. And the fact the Incel and MGTOW subs get shutdown means those guys often come here.

The truth is that the MRM is in its infancy. It’s mostly still trying to raise awareness that there even are problems. Whilst feminism (for all its underdog claims) is a fully institutionalised phenomenon (through all the Women’s and Gender Studies departments and various government departments). And that’s without considering the capture of the mass media, especially those that are nominally left wing, and political groups that aren’t officially feminist, and the wholesale adoption of feminist ideology by the corporations.

Given that, I think the occasional laboured complaint about “women today” on this sub to be fairly minor in the current state of affairs. Should MRAs get the same level of influence feminists have, I’d change my mind. But we are where we are.

[–]Amazing-Bit6140 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They're working to get this sub shut down, too.

Men cannot be allowed a space to point out the wrongs done to them, and especially not allowed to work together for redress.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s fear. They’re frightened that we may actually start to seriously push back. It’s like the terror slave owners always felt about their slaves, that they may unite and rise, or at the very least murder them in their sleep. It’s because like the slave owners they know, in the back of their minds, that we get little from this deal they offer us and that they have their power over us only so long as we’re isolated and intimidated.

It’s actually a mistake on their part. By depriving reasonable voices to the push back against feminism’s excesses they’re leaving it to much more radical voices.

But they sewed the wind, they’ll have to reap the whirlwind.

[–]GltyUntlPrvnInncnt 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right, calling people incels. How fucking original.

[–]WaXeDaddy 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m sure you are the pinnacle of sexual attraction.

[–]-Lost-Frequency- 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Aren't you king incel ?

[–]Fantastic_Box3257 54 points55 points56 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Reverse the gender and there be candle marches ,,,,,,,,it is not so easy for males in a so called male dominated society

[–]Angryasfk 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We have a reverse equivalent in Australia, and the “then 15 year old” is called Grace Tame. And is she ever a poster girl for feminism!

[–]NibblyPig 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In cases where men have groomed underage girls, the girls also feel like they hit the jackpot, that is the whole point of grooming vs abduction and kidnapping.

The last major case here that I can remember between a teacher and an underage girl, the court revealed text messages of them both messaging each other with how much they love each other and how excited they are about spending time with each other etc.

I'm sure the 13 year old girl also felt she had hit the jackpot.

Obviously, this isn't something that should be used to defend the rapist, regardless of if they are male or female.

[–]Sea2Chi 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, how the child feels about being raped is immaterial to whether or not the predator raped them. They're a child, they legally cannot consent no matter how much they want to. The whole point of statutory rape laws is to protect them from being groomed by older people because we as a society have decided that 15 is too young to be able to make informed decisions about who to have sex with.

[–]ExMuzzy 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

This gets weird. So in the UK 13-15 year olds have to capacity to consent to sex, however it is still illegal for an adult to engage in sex with them. If the judge believes the child consented then there is a separate offence it falls under instead of 'rape' or 'causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent.'

If you look at the sentencing guidelines, the judge initially charged her with Culpability A, Category 2 with a 2 year custodial order but this section below allows the judge to offer a community order in place of prison:

Where there is a sufficient prospect of rehabilitation, a community order with a sex offender treatment programme requirement under part 3 of Schedule 9 of the Sentencing Code can be a proper alternative to a short or moderate length custodial sentence.

So the real question is would the judge consider the child to have consented if they were a girl knowing that they were groomed? I very much doubt it.

[–]Disto152 -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's never an easy decision. Young girls are also full of hormones and are attracted to older men (stays true later in life as well).

We're also at the point where allegations of rape are being thrown around just to hurt the other person.

There's a lot of grey area and all such cases are different. If a judge/court/jury/whatever your country uses for justice has found a person not guilty after looking at all the facts, I don't really see much value in contradicting it based on hearsay.

Remember, not all facts are always made public.

[–]Angryasfk 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I wouldn’t call a 15 year old a little boy. But if he was a 15 year old girl and his teacher male, the teacher would be called a pedophile, a rapist and vile filth.

In Australia we have a woman, Grace Tame, who was a 15 year old that “had sex with her teacher”, except the teacher was a man, and so she’s a victim of child rape, her rapist was jailed, and she’s a celebrity that is regularly quoted on all sorts of issues and opens her mouth about national politics (one of her close relatives is a State MP - which helps).

I do not believe that if he were “Greg Tame” he’d get even a quarter of the attention or 1/10th the sympathy. Does anyone else?

[–]phrunk87 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True sexual desire is so rare for men in today's society to feel, that we're literally being conditioned to appreciate it even when it's blatant RAPE.

[–]jagmania85 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely disgusting. Rape is rape, whether the perpetrator is male or female. The fact that the law gives different punishment to men and women for the same crime is vile.

[–]Early-Department-234 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But when the boy turns 18 and dates a 15-year-old, his lawyer will be arguing for a Romeo and Juliet clause in court while feminists protest against "rape culture" outside the court.

[–]Arguesovereverythin 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Judge Rupert Lowe described defendant Lines's actions as "serious sexual
offences", but added her attraction to the boy was a "one-off" rather
than her possessing predatorial instincts.

Judge: Don't worry, she only fucked one kid. Everybody gets one.

[–]Middle-Eye2129 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a story like this every other day. It crazy how much women have sex with kids gets downplayed

[–]BodyOwner 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think the boy needed social conditioning to feel happy about the situation (at least at the time), but that doesn't make what the woman did okay.

[–]sad_femboi 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Society nowadays is just sick.

[–]AbysmalDescent 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit like this is why I can't take any "men hate women" or "we live in a patriarchy!" arguments seriously. This is not something that is possible in a society where men hate women. The victim's predisposition and reaction to the crime, compared to how women would be socialized to react to the same crime, most certainly indicates a hatred for men, not women. The way people make excuses for her behavior, which wouldn't happen for men committing the same crime, also certainly indicates a much higher degree of compassion, tolerance or protection for women than men.

[–]havocLSD 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking rapist.

By coincidence I was watching a couple of Hansen vs. Predator on YT last night and many of the guys in these episodes are early to late 30s trying to solicit sex from 13 year olds. They end up pleading guilt to multiple felonies and receiving anywhere from 6 to 10 years in prison.

How is what she did any different? She groomed a 15 year old, raped him, gave him drugs, had indecent images of a child, and yet she walks free. It doesn’t even mention that she has to register as a sex offender, only 60 day’s of probation.

Absolutely sickening that this human filth is allowed to be free and potentially abuse more children. And anyone who allowed this to happen should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

[–]J_KILLA89 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This sickening but not surprised with this gynocentric society.

[–]Njaulv 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gynocentrism, hypocrisy, and double standards all go together as a default.

[–]Fallout-Dude-66 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s why I’m moving to Asia

[+]serb2212 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean, alot of that comes from other men.

[–]TheSarcasticGuy2004 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And other women.

[+]CheesyCharliesPizza -18 points-17 points-16 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You guys are nuts.

Mirror images of feminists.

[–]GltyUntlPrvnInncnt 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hey buddy, nobody asked you to be here.

[+]CheesyCharliesPizza -16 points-15 points-14 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I thought you guys would have been cool.

But everything's "rape" according to you all.

It's all "rape" this and "rape" that.

[–]GuardianOfWorlds 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because it's considered rape if you don't consent to sex, or are too young to know what is going on and consent. That's what it means, in this instance, it's not regular sex, it's rape and pedophilia.

[–]thotswillthot -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bro had a professional meat 🍖 Milker he’ll never be the same

[–]Joey_Rogers1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

I mean shit as a 15 year old how could that not be the jackpot? I would've fooled around with her 100%.

[–]phrunk87 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The same could be (and has been) said by teen girls about guys that have gone to jail for less than this.

[–]ofir836 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men like you are the reason male rape victims don't get taken seriously

[–]CheesyCharliesPizza -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you mean rape?

Or "rape"?

Hard to tell since the original comment was deleted and only comments that say everything is rape are allowed.

[–]GltyUntlPrvnInncnt 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are part of the problem.

[–]LJHpowerful1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (27 children) | Copy Link

When I was 15 I slept with a woman who was in her late 20s, it was horrible, my hand was stinging for days... from all the high fives I was getting 😂

[–]hazelinside[S] 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago* (17 children) | Copy Link

Which is literally EXACTLY the issue I'm highlighting. A young girl is groomed by an adult man, and people line to get retribution, and rightly so, as they should. A young boy is groomed by an adult man and he is told that that's cool and he's celebrated for being able to pull. No angry people attempting to protect the boy at all. The woman is not punished.

My friend was groomed by a 20 something year old when he was 13/14. Even today, multiple years later, he doesn't see an issue with it. Why? Because when he told his friends, they all cheered him on, called him a legend and told him it was great. Ignoring the fact an ADULT has raped a CHILD.

Let's not perpetuate the notion that it is something to be praised. That is disgusting.

[–]CheesyCharliesPizza 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why this sub and Reddit in general are bullshit:

The first comment, which probably made a lot of sense, has been censored and deleted. We're not even allowed to read someone's opinion!

Meanwhile, the hysterical response to it stays.

It appears as if only one option exists here and that everyone agrees, but that's only because only one opinion is allowed.

[+]LJHpowerful -9 points-8 points-7 points 3 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

I knew it be downvoted cos ppl have no sense of humour in this sub, everythings black and white, when I was 15 I did sleep with a woman in her late 20s I said I was 18, I was by no means groomed I knew what I was doing and I was very forward for my age...

[–]Psycedilla 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

because you take a serious issue that society don't care about and joke about it the way they want the world to be. i think you'd not have been so carefree if you had young sons yourself. the thought of a older woman raping my son and getting away with it disgusts me. And sosiety wants him to see this is a positive thing disgust me even more.
im all for joking about everything, but there is a time and place for it. this is not the time or place.

[+]LJHpowerful -9 points-8 points-7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not all 15 yr old boys are equal, I have a young son who's 8, he acts his age cos he's lived an easy normal childhood, unlike me, by 8 I already seen a lot by 14 I was like a man, things aren't always so black and white age is not always the factor of someone's maturity and ability to make decisions for themselves

[–]hazelinside[S] 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

It's not a matter of 'having no sense of humour' it's a matter of you making a 'joke' about child grooming on a post raising awareness about the issue.

'I was very forward for my age', you know this is exactly what pedophiles say right? *"Oh, you're so mature for your age!"* *"You don't act like you're 15 at all!"*

Let's make it clear. If you are pushing 30 and are attracted to 15 year olds, you are a pedophile. Like I said in another comment, I'm 19. My youngest friend is 16 and I am wary about what I say to him because he is, by definition, a child.

It is NOT normal for an adult woman to desire a teenage boy. That is pedophilia, grooming, and statutory rape at it's core. You might not FEEL like a victim. You might THINK you were mature or whatever (which is exactly the issue I'm pointing out), but at it's core, you were raped by an adult, because at 15 you cannot consent regardless of your own perceived ability. That woman is a pedophile, and I hope one day you're able to reconcile and understand that, even if you don't feel victimised.

[–]Givingtree310 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At 15 you can consent… depending upon the country you’re in. 15 is age of consent in several European countries. There is no universal age of consent.

[+]LJHpowerful -9 points-8 points-7 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It's funny I'm being downvoted yet im the "victim" aha nice logic, the diffrence is I'm not a victim, if I said I was older, and they thought I was older cos I looked and acted it, I don't think it's the same the other way around call me misogynistic but it's apples and oranges a man can force himself onto a woman, that's rape, a teenage boy can only let her have sex with him, that can still be assault but not rape, you view the world in black and white at 19 it's not always that simple, some 15 yr olds are forward some are immature I moved out when I was 16 had my own place by 18 I've been homeless I've been through a lot don't judge me or assume I'm some victim when I was young I was not the average 15 yr old who are kids and immature with no life experience

[–]bfte2 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You type like a kid.

[–]LJHpowerful 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You shouldn't admit to that. 🤮

[–]bfte2 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Finally found your period? Nice.

[–]LJHpowerful 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What? You calling me a kid and then saying I found my period? That's a weird thing to say, especially to someone you don't know, keep talking from the comfort of your keyboard you weird little man. 👍

[–]bfte2 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

See how manly you look when you use periods?

[–]CheesyCharliesPizza 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're nuts.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A teacher knows how old her students are. No opportunity to lie about the age.

Look, I get it. Adolescents can look older than their years, and can lie. If you met such a girl in a nightclub or bar, and she’d somehow convinced security that she was of age (my sister snuck into various pubs, and was first asked for ID on her 18th birthday when she openly showed her drivers licence) I can see why you may not realise you’re dealing with a 15 or 16 year old instead of someone who’s 18 or 19. But this woman’s a teacher and he’s at her school. No chance of a mistake! And that’s the point. She’s given more leniency than a guy meeting a 15 year old who snuck into a bar or nightclub would be given by the media, and possibly the law.

[–]LJHpowerful 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I never compared that to my situation as a 1v1 comparison, I just made a point as devil's advocate with a bit of humour instead of just agreeing like everyone else virtue signalling into an echo chamber, people take themselves far too seriously and act like it's black or white, of course there's inequalities, that's life

[–]odysseytree 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You have been conditioned to take it positively and that only benefits the rapist. How can you check yourself if you are conditioned that way? Just check if you feel the same if an adult man in his 20s grooms and fucks a 15 year old girl.

[–]LJHpowerful -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Actually I don't... I take it as me taking accountability, lying about being 15 when the woman thought I was 18, I'm talking personal experience not every 15 yr old is mature as me most are kids who've lived sheltered lives, and no I don't think man and a 15 yr old girl is the same and I know I'll be called misogynistic but I stand by my beliefs I don't care if they're popular or not, and yes it is an inequality, but that's life there's so many inequalities not just by gender, even by men to men, look in nature, there's no such thing as equality, look at the Olympics , we're different and that's okay

[–]hazelinside[S] 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You're not a man when you're 15. You are a boy. No matter what. You are part of the problem.

[–]LJHpowerful -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I've probably lived more life than you by 12 than you have in your 19 yrs, you're very ignorant and simple minded, there's people who are 30 yrs old who act like children, it's not about how many years you've been alive it's about what you've learnt in those years, at 19 by your logic you've been an "adult" for 1 year, don't talk to me about life or morality, experience what I have by your age then come back and lecture me.

[–]hazelinside[S] 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ah of course, you know my entire life do you? What a presumption to make that you must’ve had the hardest life in the world and no one else can possible compete. I’d love to go into my life story and the traumatic details, but I’m not dim enough to insinuate that changes my ability to consent to situations, nor does it negate a person being a literal child.

That doesn’t change the fact you are NOT a man at 15. If an adult is attracted to a 15 year old they are a pedophile.

To be honest; the lengths you’re going to right now to justify an adult raping children is pretty suspicious. You’re literally pulling out the textbook responses that groomers use. Despite being explained to in simplistic terms over and over, you’re using your own life experience to explain why an adult woman grooming a child is okay. That’s pretty disgusting.

I’m not going to continue this argument. Life experience is just that. Life experience. It can make you a more hardened individual. It does not make you an adult, nor does it change your biological makeup and the fact your brain is not formed.

Call me ignorant all you wish, in return I say you’re stubborn to a fault. When you’re being corrected by multiple sources and you still choose to stand your ground on a point you’re fundamentally incorrect with.

Just know you are part of the reason male victims do not get justice and female groomers and not given punishment. Your viewpoint is exactly what holds people back.

I’m not going to continue as we evidently will never agree. I’m going to go ahead and mute this to save myself the issue. Have a great day bud 👍

[–]LJHpowerful 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And for your information about " brain development" the female brain isn't fully formed untill you're 25... you've got 6 years to think about an adequate response 👍

[–]LJHpowerful -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Saying I'm "fundamentally incorrect" on something that is just a personal opinion from my experience shows your narcissism and your black and white, single-minded approach to life. Your or my opinion isn't 2+2=4, it's just that an opinion, though I don't fully disagree with your original post I was just being devil's advocate to show there's grey area, instead of virtue signalling and just agreeing like every else talking into an echo chamber, you don't deal with topics like this when you just shut ppl down cos you disagree or act so self righteous and sit on a high horse.

[–]odysseytree 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

/r/IAmVerySmart

[–]LJHpowerful 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People who say you're "trying too hard" to look smart from putting forward basic fundamental information and explanations that are digestible and easily comprehended by anybody with above single digit IQ is just a projection of insecurities and inadequacies of oneself.id focus on that, it's fundamental.

[+]Wylanderuk -26 points-25 points-24 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

One thing to consider and probably was during sentencing is he is less than 12 months from AOC here in the UK.

[–]hazelinside[S] 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd agree with you.. but..

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/vile-pervert-groomed-15-year-25330165
https://warrington-worldwide.co.uk/2020/07/01/man-jailed-after-grooming-15-year-old-warrington-girl-into-sexual-activity-at-his-blackpool-flat/
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/paedophile-31-went-holiday-girl-15-family-convincing-teenager-jailed-144200363.html
https://www.gbnews.uk/news/married-man-jailed-for-having-sex-with-15-year-old-girl-acted-like-a-racist-towards-groomed-victim/287063
https://planetradio.co.uk/rock-fm/local/news/nelson-man-jailed-for-sexually-grooming-15-year-old-girl/

How many cases are there of men (rightly) being jailed the exact same crime. I'm glad they were, 100%, I wish their sentences were longer. But the fact she evaded prison time COMPLETELY, not so much as a day behind bars for the exact same crime on a child of the exact same age.

[+]Wylanderuk -8 points-7 points-6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah she will also have benefitted from the lessor sentences that women get and probably heavily weighted for being a mother as well.

But since you also went all in about "under 18" the reminder of what the AOC is here in the UK seemed appriate to point out.

The pictures and supplying drugs and alcohol should have had a bigger impact on the sentence as that is a much bigger violation in regards to age.

[–]GltyUntlPrvnInncnt 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok buddy, now try that with reversed genders.

[–]Wylanderuk -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah take the fucking sand out your manginina. Its a statement not a fucking defence.

I swear some of you assholes are just as fucking annoying and thin-skinned as feminists are.

[–]ApeWieldingBasalt1 points 3 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm going to point out, with statutory crimes, the victim's view on the crime is not even really the point.

Even if he didn't care... She is still a child predator either way, and her next victim may be less enthused. She still fucked up no matter what.

That's why you get in deep shit for hiring a kid to do a factory job even if they really want the cash.

As a society we can't make laws based on the gray shit where every abusive situation has to be weighed on a hundred psych factors.

Kids are off limits because they're too easy for adults to manipulate. If any adults fuck it up, whether through labor crimes or sex crimes or anything, then the adult is punished because they should know better.

Boom, done, easy.

[–]hazelinside[S] 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No of course! The child feeling like he hit the jackpot was in the title of the article, not an addition by me! I mostly mention my little point because I feel like boys and men are taught that all female attention should be considered a positive regardless of legality and morality.

I for example learnt recently that my male friend had been groomed by a 20 year old when he was 14. Even to date, multiple years later now he considers it not to have been a crime, because he enjoyed it and he felt cool for having been able to get with a women older than him. It’s such an awful mindset that exists because young boys are taught that sex is a net positive regardless of how it comes to you.

The fact the article tries to paint her in a sympathetic light is vile. Talking about her growing up in a bad situation as if that negates her actions by any stretch or the imagination.

It’s so fucked.

[–]Taco-Time 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Career year for the Caroline Ellison physiognomy

[–]Tarmek12 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What in the actual fuck..?

[–]AdAcademic4290 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This woman should definitely have done jail time. Not only did she groom and ply him with alcohol, she r*ped him repeatedly, on numerous occasions, and didn't even stop her disgusting behaviour when it would have been clear to her that he was mentally and emotionally suffering due to her actions.

Vile.

I not only feel sorry for the boy, but for her own child.

Imagine growing up to know that you own parent is so sick and deranged.

I hope all the youngsters get plenty of therapy.

[–]Dudeinminnetonka 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is not her mom correct?

it sounds like she knows the mom though...

[–]blaizken_420 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The hell of living in a world where women can physically or sexually abuse males, while being told men are the toxic privileged gender, is beyond reckoning to truly think about.

[–]2HourCoffeeBreak 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I can’t speak to this case or what the boy is feeling, but at 16 I had sex with my 25 year old neighbor and it was awesome.

It was actually a confidence builder for me. I started out just shooting the breeze with her when I’d see her out. Then I started complimenting her any time I could. Then I started with the “if I were older or you were younger.” bit because I figured she’d think it was flattering, but still comical to think about me hitting on her. I knew I had nothing to lose and I said things to her I would be too afraid to say to girls my age.

At some point she started throwing it back at me. I think both of us were wondering if the other was really serious. Both too afraid to do anything other than talk.

But It was easy enough for her to come up with a bogus reason to need my help at her place and the moment we’re were alone in private, I think we both knew what was up. The way we both slammed into each other and started kissing is something I don’t think I’ll ever forget.

I love my wife more than anything, but that was one of the hottest things that ever happened to me. I’ve told her about it and she thinks it was wrong. But I have absolutely no regrets.

I feel like this is such a grey area. It’s so hard to put hard rules on it because, I feel like in my case, no harm was done and she was absolutely not a bad person. I pressured her, not the other way around.

I have 2 (now grown) daughters and I had often thought about how I’d feel if one or both of them had a scenario similar to mine. It’s a tough situation. I don’t know what girls are going through in their teens years. So, without it actually happening and talking with her about it, idk what I would do. But I know how I felt and I know it was a good experience.

[–]MEDICARE_FOR_ALL 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Would you have the same opinion if your 25 year old neighbor got pregnant and wanted child support from you? Because it sounds like you almost ended up in that situation?

[–]2HourCoffeeBreak 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean if she had turned out to be a pos? No. But that wasn’t the case and that’s why she’s a good experience and not a bad one.

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