Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.

MahdDogg · 2013-08-23T09:09:40+00:00

I'm struggling to understand how this can possibly be regarded as a sexual assault? Is she claiming that by wilfully sucking a guys dick in public, she sexually assaulted herself?

Pete612 · 2013-08-23T10:52:17+00:00

Actually she is. Apparently sexual taboos are alive and well, the amount of abuse she's been getting is depressing and pathetic. Meanwhile people are murdered daily by gangs and nobody bats an eyelid.

As regards the underage thing it's BS - who's to say the guys weren't also underage? In Ireland, it's only illegal for an underage boy to engage in a sex act. Girls have a specific written immunity in law. I'm sure this disgusts you as much as it disgusts me...

PierceHarlan · 2013-08-23T14:41:01+00:00

Here's my take.

Young woman and young man both do something that is, by any measure, stupid, debasing, coarse, and wrong. Neither has a reasonable expectation of privacy because they performed their act in a very public place, but their act is publicized far beyond what either expected. SHE is mortified that the world sees her engaged in an act that she knows is not consistent with traditional notions of femininity, even though there is no question that she did it. He, apparently, is satisfied that the world will think of him as "lucky" for being the recipient of oral sex.

So how do some of the usual gender pundits react? They have a conniption, of course, worse than if the girl had been beaten, about gender double-standards, but their solution is to call for new rules about "cyber-bullying" -- thus underscoring, emphasizing, and making clear that the worst thing that can happen to a young woman is to be seen to act in a way that's not consistent with her femininity.

Why are we surprised by the double standards at work here? And why are we only upset when the double standards work against women? After all, this is a culture where female teachers are given a slap on the wrist for doing to boys what male teachers get put away for years doing to girls. I see virtually no reaction from the gender pundits over that double-standard, but it stems from the same sort of antiquated mindset (lesson: even rape and statutory rape are okay when they're done to boys and men -- because boys and men want sex all the time, under any circumstances; moreover, only the sex acts of men and boys need to be controlled with punitive prison sentences, because women and girls are incapable of acting in a sexual predatory manner that can hurt men and boys).

Maybe the real discussion we ought to be having about this case is about our coarse culture where anything goes, and about why public sex acts aren't appropriate -- for either girls or boys.

But then, what do I know?

Elethiomel · 2013-08-23T10:29:11+00:00

Except she's not claiming she was assaulted by the men in question. She claims she was assaulted after all of that by a different person. She made this claim before it blew up on twitter. She called the police and family from the concert venue to come pick her up.

vipt84 · 2013-08-23T18:27:13+00:00

A lot of misinformation is coming to light in this thread.

First and foremost the age of sexual consent in Ireland is 17, this also stands for the distribution of pornography. The girl is 17, so by definition of Irish law this is NOT child porn.

Secondly, the Gardaí (Irish Police) are investigating, but not definitively the two incidents of oral sex. Irish media has reported that the girl did report an incident where she was sexually assaulted at the Slane Concert, but that is NOT related to the two incidents of oral sex.

She did not "claim rape" in response to the photographed incidents (apparently), but an entirely other case of sexual assault at the venue.

rapscallionx · 2013-08-24T05:43:54+00:00

Some huffington post employee posted about how there is a stereotype against women for being skanks and the girl is being tortured for sucking a dudes dick in public. It's like the huffington post (and feminists) are so up woman's ass's that every stupid mistake a woman makes has to be contorted somehow making her the victim.

Michael_Romanoff · 2013-08-23T15:05:18+00:00

Isn't her act the sort of the thing the slut walks celebrate?

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theoysterismyworld · 2013-08-23T09:54:05+00:00

Claims rape? The quote mentioning sexual assault in the article doesn't say too much, so I wouldn't jump into such conclusions. Time will tell, though.

Yes, she brought this on herself, but I'm sure she's going through hell right now and I wouldn't say she deserves that in any way for having oral sex in public, so people are right to consider her a victim.

CosmicKeys · 2013-08-23T09:52:37+00:00

She was a victim here, because the guy was not cyberbullied like she was. If twitter was erupting about #slaneslut talking about the guy you'd have a point. Not saying he isn't a victim in the (for example being shamed or accused of things), because the true story should be about the person who thought posting it to the net was a good idea. Not nice, people make drunken mistakes, fuck viral internet vigilantism.

As for the rape claims, yes. Police are investigating, leave it at that.

Edit: Copping downvotes as expected, but let me explain. You don't have to respect anyone for making a stupid sexual mistake in public, fine, but these are just some stupid teens at a concert. This person has suffered disgustingly disproportionate shaming to the point where they had to be given sedatives to calm them down. It shows a severe problem with the dehumanization process of the internet and targeted bullying and harassment. As someone who cares about men's rights I keep my details close to my chest because I don't want vicious internet bullies after me either.

AvgGuy101 · 2013-08-23T11:21:13+00:00

Sexual assault? Unless Ireland has a stricter age limit than the US, then I don't see how this is sexual assault.

Cyber-bullying? Was the girl threatened via the internet? It looks the girl was filmed in a public place where virtually anyone could see what was happening. In this day and age when virtually every cellphone has a camera built in, most people have a camera/video recorder in their pocket and people are constantly being filmed doing stupid stuff in public. Are all of these people being cyber-bullied?

Maybe people should simply learn to take responsibility for their actions.

millertime65 · 2013-08-23T20:22:34+00:00

How much different would it have been if it was a picture of the guy giving her oral sex?

skillsne · 2013-08-23T08:24:48+00:00

Uhm.. where?

2013-08-24T15:32:18+00:00

Drunk + regrettable behavior = spiked drink. Always..

kurokabau · 2013-08-24T23:32:33+00:00

To be fair, there is certainly a double standard here. She is being labelled a slut (though she did do it to two people) while he is praised.

Edit: Reading the comments i've learned that she is accusing sexual assault from a completely different guy which we do not have information on.

I'm quite firmly on the girl's side here. What she did was shameful and what she gets from online bullying is all down to her. But there is a clear and obvious double standard in that the men are receiving none of the shame she is.

2013-08-27T04:14:26+00:00

At that age, young peoples hormones are going wild(geez, I am not even 30.........but). Right or wrong, it never should have been recorded. Right or wrong, no one should of cyber bullied the young adult, over the young-ins lack of self control.

Personally, I am against promiscuous behavior, and view it as personally and socially destructive. Let's face it, this young adult had a serious lapse in judgement moment. She allowed her hormones to rule her, and engaged in a pretty scummy situation. The two older adults she was with, are just as scummy though. Perhaps more scummy because of how they are willfully using another human being in such a manner.

I think the youngest, the one under the legal age of maturity, and more likely then not more ruled by their hormones, shouldn't be held to task as seriously as the two older adults, who where of the legal age of maturity

Who knows, maybe the young person is feeling genuine emotional pain over a hormonal slip-up, or pain from the social embarrassment of it being caught on film.

People talk of women being promiscuous whores, but what of men who are, or want to be promiscuous whores? Add in to it all the debate on who really owns a picture of a person(is it ethical for a society to allow private ownership of another persons direct, actual image?).

Regardless, suppose she was really horny and wanted it(different people, regardless of gender, have different sex drives), why should people harass or deride her? If someone does something you disagree with, you should simply have little to do with them.

I am not going to write a blank check.

It was a scummy situation where scummy people made scummy decisions.

SugarTeets · 2013-08-23T13:28:22+00:00

Link to pics ?

JaydenPope · 2013-08-23T22:30:18+00:00

Victim my ass she knew what she was doing. Sad to see she is being bullied about it but at a concert you're not entirely hidden.

Frogtarius · 2013-08-24T19:24:08+00:00

She's a victim..... Of her own stupidity.

Mytecacc · 2013-08-23T14:24:51+00:00

She was publicly bullied, ridiculed and shamed, then she was hospitalized and sedated because of the bullying ... she is a victim of bullying.

This forum is getting dumber by the day.

Waddupp · 2013-08-23T17:47:01+00:00

Sooo... no pics huh?

Collective82 · 2013-08-23T10:26:54+00:00

That will teach her to keep her mouth shut in public /s

Title	Girl gives guys oral at concert. After the pictures appear online claims rape, people consider her a victim.
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