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White male workers silently feel excluded—here's how to fix that

Kagedeah

March 12, 2023
284 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://fortune.com/2023/02/22/white-male-workers-feel-excluded-female-tech-leader-explains-how-to-fix-diversity-inclusion/
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Title White male workers silently feel excluded—here's how to fix that
Author

Kagedeah

Upvotes 284
Comments 52
Date March 12, 2023 5:30 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11pkamz/white_male_workers_silently_feel_excludedheres/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/white-male-workers-silently-feel-excludedheres-how.1176499
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[–]Standard-Broccoli107 171 points172 points173 points 3 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Common fears are centered around career progression, Jenner believes. Am I able to have my career with all of these equality inclusion discussions going on? or am I second best because there’s a stronger woman, or there’s an underrepresented minority who’s going to get this role? 

So its the mans fault for wanting to get the job when he is the most qualified? This issue is easily fixed: just stop discrimination.

[–]ARedditorCalledQuest 163 points164 points165 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"because there's a stronger woman..."

That's not the concern. This is deliberately misrepresenting the concern as white dudes wanting to get ahead even if they're not the best candidate. The concern is someone being denied advancement in favor of a less qualified candidate that happens to tick the demographically correct boxes.

[–]Standard-Broccoli107 36 points37 points38 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice catch!

[–]Boarf 24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Remember that time a team of stronger woman competed against some dudes? Tik tok remembers https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRWmvRue/

[–]Boarf 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That pharse made me laugh out loud.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ABSOLUTELY!!! In my country our largest company has openly advertised jobs that ONLY women could apply for. It’s not possible to have a clearer case of discrimination. Yet it’s been justified by various feminists who pop up here.

[–]Toxic-and-proud 64 points65 points66 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

These idiots who say cringey shit like " inclusion " are so dumb they can't even see that when u start making special privileges for certain groups youre doing the opposite thing to the others, it also implies some people are excluded when they're simply not to begin with.

So imagine a group of scientists all happen to be white, all worked there asses off, then theres a black women whos done nothing, she gets the job for inclusions sake, its fucking utterly idiotic.

[–]Standard-Broccoli107 32 points33 points34 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes! Any black person best qualified for the job should get it. If a woman is best give her the job, but give it to the best person.

[–]nola_native 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you meant any person…

[–]Toxic-and-proud 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes. Like, how is this even being discussed ya know. So dumb. So basically all u need to be in life is part of a supposed oppressed minority, and u win basically. Its laughable

Say fucking no to " inclusion " i say. No ones being excluded in the first place.

" inclusion " is nothing other than privilege.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Inclusion is fine. What they call “inclusion” is nothing more or less than discrimination, which they hypocritically claim is the worst thing ever!

[–]Sadder_Burrito 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

“Stronger woman” - diversity hire.

[–]Standard-Broccoli107 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I would be insulted to be hired as a strong man. I get hired because I have a masters degree and 15 years of problemsolving and leadership on my resume. Strengt isnt part of the conversation.

[–]Sadder_Burrito 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Also the need for quotas implies that they are indeed not stronger

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely! You can’t be a “stronger candidate” and a “quota filler” at the same time.

[–]HearMeowWorsen 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love how they insert thought's into men's heads that make us all acknowledge that women are stronger than us. I am the smallest, weakest man any of you know...I've not met the woman I can't overpower....well, maybe one, but, I still beat her in strength competitions.

[–]Professional-You2968 49 points50 points51 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They are starting to feel the bite, but still keep bullshitting to save face.

[–]_name_of_the_user_ 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Myself, I love it when someone tells me what my opinion and personal experiences are. It always makes me feel heard and appreciated.

/s

[–]lumpynose 34 points35 points36 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Non paywall version:

https://archive.vn/XmGUF

[–]neveragoodtime 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Let’s write an article about how men feel disadvantaged, but from the perspective of a woman who worked her way to the top of the toxic male chauvinism.

[–]az226 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

“Feel disadvantaged”. She made it about feelings, not about the actual gender based discrimination against men.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s PR BS! I’ve worked in places where certain “groups” that the company decided needed to be “included” would come and actually not even do the bare minimum the job required. They’d leave all the clean up and “finishing off” to others. They knew, rightly, that it was a sinecure as they ticked the right box! It’s basically the same thing that we used to have with “nepotism”. If you were related to, or friends with, the right person, you had a charmed life. And everyone else has to pick up the slack. The difference is that now we have “third parties” declaring how wonderful and productive this stuff is.

[–]Sadder_Burrito 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“Worked” her way up

[–]LouisdeRouvroy 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Essentially, managers can’t promote a team member they had in mind for arole without publicly posting it first and interviewing variouscandidates.

As if noone has ever heard of faking a whole hiring process to oh so luckily find that the candidate you had in mind was selected. That's how it is in academia where postings are just window dressing and the whole process is just a show of pretend.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She’s lying. I’ve seen companies advertise for jobs where they had already decided to transfer someone from an overseas office just to “tick the box” and declare there was no “local hire” that fit the criteria! It happens all the time.

Her “giving men paternity leave” cuts no ice with me. Feminists have feared that maternity leave may cause employers to be less likely to hire women, and letting men technically have the same right supposedly prevents women having this disability. If that’s the only noteworthy case of her “helping” men under her authority, she’s clearly done Jack.

[–]Early-Department-234 51 points52 points53 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Before I was physically attacked on campus by persons sympathetic to Big Red's feminist causes, I was once known as "Reverse discrimination" .

This was when I was in Grade 12 doing a uni bridging course.

Because every time the Professor tried to explain that feminism is advocating for more women in executive positions based on their gender, not merit, I always retorted with "but isn't that like reverse discrimination?"

So many students and TAs started using that phrase, and then Big Red came along and harassed a bunch of MRAs who were hosting a speech on campus.

High school and university were entirely different worlds.

They are more lenient towards you in high school, but when the feminists discovered that I enrolled at the university, somebody with a high pitched feminine voice, kicked me in my back and yelled "misogynist" after my night class.

Security were acting strangely and asked me what I did to antagonize people.

[–]TurbulentFlow7145 20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The proof is in the pudding that feminism is an ideology intending on discriminating against men, that is, because anyone who has a valid argument to make doesn’t resort to intimidating its opponents into silence, which is and has always been the main tool used by feminism

[–]Early-Department-234 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine paying student loans for university where the Professors ignore you when you raise your hand during feminist topics.

[–]notwhelmed 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The wrong thing there - it isnt reverse discrimination, it is just discrimination.

[–]Early-Department-234 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup. But I got reverse attacked because feminists were mad I was bringing up the topic of reverse discrimination. Free speech was slowly declining at the time, and then Big Red and Ms. You are Effing Scum came along.

[–]KrazyJazz 44 points45 points46 points 3 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

White males should be quietly quitting and let the feminist Titanic slowly sinks into the abyss with the biggest shit grin on their faces while pretending to care.....

[–]AirSailer 32 points33 points34 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

We can't, were forced by the family courts to pay our ex-wives mommy-support to sit on their asses and get fat while crying on Facebook about how they are oppressed by the patriarchy.

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[–]Iamthebackupplan 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

lol you are ridiculous.

[–]Cultural_Wolverine89 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Body positivity," but only leaves comments about "fatphobia." Way to co-opt something that had some legitimacy to preserve the feelings of fat women. Pathetic.

[–]pearl_harbour1941 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wrong sub.

[–]rabel111 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Listening to sexist pigs trying to make men responsible for yet another imagined injustice. What crime do men in tech commit? Being male!

[–]401kisfun 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Explain to them how racist, misogynistic, and sexist their silent feelings on exclusion are. Totally sarcastic post.

[–]ashterberry 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The people who do this do so on purpose, they don't want to "fix it."

[–]dovanius 24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Great. The future is endless going back and forth between different 'groups' of people like a classroom where all the kids are screaming for attention.

"Alice what's wrong? Come to you in a second Bob. Michael can you keep it down. Stop crying Marie. Alice are you ok now? Ok Marie here is a tissue. Bob what you want. Michael keep it down."

[–]Fuzzy_Department2799 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is exactly what identity policies are. Nothing but divisive.

[+]PumpkinSpicGrl -49 points-48 points-47 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep. It’s the whites that are crying for attention now. Next year it will be someone else.

[–]Toxic-and-proud 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Everyone's crying at this point.

[–]Icehonesty 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

‘When she joined the software company Pivotal as general manager, one of the managers reporting to her commented: “I’m not sure I want to report to you, because I’ve never reported to a woman.”’

I’ll take ‘things that didn’t happen’ for 400 please Alex

[–]ralphswanson 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men silently feel excluded because they are discriminated against in many places but they are shamelessly attacked if they complain about it.

Feminism is the orthodoxy and it fights imaginary discrimination with real discrimination.

[–]Standard_Web_4937 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well these things wouldn’t be an issue if other people were treated fairly in the first place

[+]NeoLosman -19 points-18 points-17 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"White male workers silently feel excluded"

We're mimicking The Woke Left once again, by conflating emotions and thoughts( https://www.wildmind.org/applied/depression/distinguishing-thoughts-and-emotions ), and engaging in Emotional Reasoning

[–]Stilltryin4gold 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn pay site, can anyone upload the article?

[–]Fornographic 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why the independent contractor model is becoming more popular. No HR BS to mess with and you can change contractors to someone more capable without a 2nd thought.

[–]griii2 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Silently? My female colleagues are openly subject to affirmative actions, there is nothing silent about it.

[–]rodeo_fortuneteller 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

White people are the only ones that experience actual racism. Lets be honest.

[–]McGauth925 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, you've avoided all the statistics about blacks receiving longer sentences for the same crimes, and how black people are disproportionately killed by police? Never read the fact that blacks were pretty much excluded from the GI bill, which is how so many poorer whites were able to go to college and buy homes? Never read about redlining in applying for mortgages? Never read about the difference in funding that primarily black public schools receive vs. primarily white schools?

Have you ever read about the fact that people seek out evidence to support what they want to believe, and ignore evidence that shows them to be mistaken? You should.

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