Where is the starting line, and where is the finishing line?

passepar2t · 2021-03-18T18:16:27+00:00

There are no lines. That's the thing about life. It just keeps going.

mxp68 · 2021-03-18T18:09:01+00:00

Some people would rather find a person who has already achieved life goals and inherit the rewards from that achievement (high income, respect, social status, pride, etc). It’s just part of the instant gratification of society in general.

For me I find more joy in being in a relationship where my partner is working towards goals and being there when they achieve those goals.

stats135 · 2021-03-18T18:56:30+00:00

wait at the finishing line

The problem isn't with the "finish line", its with the "waiting".

A woman turns 18 and decides to marry a good dependable man who has his shit together. I see no problems with that because she didn't wait. Nothing else would make it a problem. Even if 10 years down the line she divorce rapes the guy it'd be worth it to have had a young attractive wife for 10 years.

If a woman doesn't want to make the decision at 18, its fine too, if she at least work to improve her value with that extra time. Stay away from drugs and parties, start saving money so you can convert to be a housewife without burdening your future husband when the time comes, and learn to be a women men would be interested in talking to. There is no problem when you get to the finish line by actually participating in the marathon, and find a man that did the same.

But that's not what women do. They are just waiting around until a good man comes. She has nothing to show to make her a better mate than when she was 18, except maybe having "matured" from all her "experience" in dating. If you aren't fluent in Womanese, that roughly translates to being jaded after fucking all the Chads on the CC and realizing those alphas won't commit to her.

Sage_Planter · 2021-03-18T18:15:54+00:00

Your finish line depends on the finish line of the woman you're going after. If you want a woman who has her shit together, have your shit together. A woman who's unemployed and living with her parents will have a very different expectation for what her partner brings to the relationship than a woman who makes six figures and owns her own home.

IOportA · 2021-03-18T18:20:24+00:00

This line from Rick and Morty sums it up perfectly

https://youtu.be/jxnWl-78poE

flapperfemmefatale · 2021-03-19T00:57:59+00:00

The only place I draw the line is financial independence. I have no interest in a man being dependent on me

TheJim66 · 2021-03-18T17:53:52+00:00

Noone is saying women shouldn't go for men that "have their stuff together" .The issue is that that's not enough.Thats average and unimpressive and won't get you many chicks.Women wait at the finish line in the sense that they choose you when you already EXCEL and are better than other men and not when you are still on your way towards that.

Demasii · 2021-03-18T22:07:29+00:00

I believe that this is relevant as many men complained that women wait at the finishing line and select the men that have already set their affairs in order.

This is a very male mindset to me. Believing that a job and material things is the finishing line, the end goal, the "I made it!" moment.

Women have the mindset of stages in life. Innocent youth to fun sexy adulthood and career to marriage to kids to grandkids.

BlackPorcelainDoll · 2021-03-18T23:17:45+00:00

"Starting line" and "finishing line" really implies some sort of game with extrinsic rules to follow. This would be the starting point is the moment you enter the mating game (RMP/SMP) and the finish line is where you come out of it either by forfeit, defeat or win.

It all depends on how you view human mating rituals, courtship, sex, etc.

Jakes1967 · 2021-03-18T18:22:54+00:00

I believe that this is relevant as many men complained that women wait at the finishing line and select the men that have already set their affairs in order.

This is true, many women do want a full formed man, but can handle the consequences of that choice.

However, the counterpoint could be made that finding someone who has their stuff together should be an absolute minimum, given the long term and trying nature of LTRs and marriage.

Someone who has their stuff together, isn't necessarily established in a career etc. Women don't understand the difference between the two.

Women today want a man who has an established career, house etc., but aren't willing to put in the same effort.

In other words it's the beginning of the journey rather than the end.

Nope, women think the middle is the beginning. The beginning is when a man's 20, not 30.

PickleLine · 2021-03-18T18:09:29+00:00

Success in dating and fucking women plays an important role in the development of confidence for men. Men who can't get that success need to go through a long tough route to confidence

By not fucking the men during the men's youth, women deprive men of needed growth and confidence. Hence the women are waiting at the finish line because the men who the women weren't fucking had to develop themselves without the help of women while the men that the women were fucking got help from women to develop their confidence.

Emervila · 2021-03-18T18:13:39+00:00

Wrong question

Women can enter LTR with the lowest douchbag and with the Chadest of all men with no problem. The real question is: what will make a woman STAY in that LTR? in RP words how do you prevent females from monkey branching?

Looks: the hotter the more she'll be with a man
money: the more you "spoil her" the more she'll be loyal
Status: the more social figure she becomes around X man, the longer she will stay

Unless she considers all that to be satisfied she might leave anyway but it's rare to happen.

SaBahRub · 2021-03-18T18:52:26+00:00

Sorry, people are different and you have to make your own decisions, children

PrincessFKNPeach · 2021-03-18T20:39:37+00:00

Its the whole AF/BB thing that gripes guys.

The fact that a woman can despise you and be disgusted at you. Then once you have aged a bit, gotten older, no doubt gotten uglier, your suddenly the best thing since sliced bread. Its plain as fuck, you have $$$$ now, thats it, thats all she wants. If you were that great, she would of been with you earlier the end.

What is most hilarious is when a woman actually does this, as opposed to just having the mentality. Actually trying to reignite with some chump they rejected after they have been pumped and dumped and given birth.

Women must really think men are stupid if they think that a guy will actually see them in the same light after they have had a kid or 2 as opposed to when they were younger. The 1 - 10 scale score drops into negitive numbers.

What is even more stupid is these same women who happily rejected younger dude in younger days, will actually go nuclear at the rejection sometimes (hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned) and co e out with some shit like But over a decade ago you said you really liked me, your such a liar" then probably go post on facebook about how evil scrotes are. That said, I'm not saying men are particularly great at handling rejection.

What is funny however, if you were the loser in the younger years is if you can flip it around. As pathetic as it is, watching these women react in social settings when you can get younger and better than them (which really isn't hard, as they generally gain about 20 Kg and get covered in tatto's) and watch them get mad. Like I say its pathetic, but hey all men are pathetic little boys anyway right, so hey lets have fun.

If I reject someone, I don't go running to them at a later date. Some people really have no fucking shame.

/END OF RANT

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2021-03-18T19:01:35+00:00

There is no finish line.

Flat_Plane_V8 · 2021-03-18T23:32:50+00:00

you can have everything in your life together and still become a loser...Ask NFL players who lost it all...actually majority of them go broke

Laytheblameonluck · 2021-03-19T05:15:09+00:00

I believe that this is relevant as many men complained that women wait at the finishing line and select the men that have already set their affairs in order

Where are all these sexless women waiting it out?

CosmicBioHazard · 2021-03-20T01:25:01+00:00

finding someone who has their stuff together should be an absolute minimum

Depends on the girl, I guess? If I'm already successful and a woman wants me, but what she has on offer in a relationship is that she's a good cheerleader, well then I could have used her when I was building myself up, not now.

Whisper · 2021-03-20T19:59:12+00:00

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_(fallacy)

Title	Where is the starting line, and where is the finishing line?
Author	John_Oakman
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Comments	56
Date	March 18, 2021 5:48 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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