What the hell is a high value man/woman?

panita389 · 2023-04-18T02:13:45+00:00

So Redpill people define "high value man" as someone they consider to have high "sexual market value" - basically the most options of women to sleep with on the dating market. They say it's dictated by high income and fitness/looks. If anyone tries to say differently then it's "women don't know what they want, this is what they want" lmao.

But like others have said, the whole thing is predicated on superficial values and I don't think anything meaningful really will come out of it. It's people chasing clout and at the end of the day it's super self-centered and sexist. That's not to say that women don't have their own version of looking for superficial stuff but it's all just not worth wasting life on in my opinion

Ironically their version of a high-value woman is like a unicorn in their eyes: someone young (bc women > 25 have baggage in their POV), beautiful and skinny, willing to cook/clean/handle the household, sexually satisfy them, obey their every command, delete social media, and support everything they're doing, no career of their own can take priority and no prior kids and no feminists, AND she should be okay with them sleeping with other women, but she can't sleep with other men, or even go out without them or wear anything they don't approve of. All of this, and they still think a woman that is going to marry them "has won" because she gets some benefits of their money and gets to have kids with them.

Source: Lol I sadly used to be in a relationship where my ex started getting into this stuff and I spent months trying to understand and convince him out of it. I ended up watching and note-taking a lot of RP points before finally giving up and calling it quits

Yabbari_The_Wizard · 2023-04-18T04:57:55+00:00

It's vague on purpose.

Ask Fresh and Fit, and they'll both give you different answers.

Ask Tristan and Andrew and they'll tell you something different.

No one knows cause no one is meant to know, it's a make believe concept like Scientology.

mikayrodr · 2023-04-18T03:20:21+00:00

“High value” for people who live in reality: Trustworthy, reliable, consistent, honest, stable, loyal

Downtown_Cat_1172 · 2023-04-18T01:23:35+00:00

That's interesting, because it's vague enough that you can define it as anything. It's my experience that red-pillers avoid defining it. Often the reason is because they would be caught contradicting themselves. For instance, they love to say that certain celebrities aren't high-value enough if they're shown wearing pink or cuddling their babies or loving their wives even as they age. So we know it's not money or power.

What they often don't want to tell you is that their view of a high value man is a man who abuses women without consequence. And a high value woman is a virgin teenager under the age of consent.

Edit: fixed a wrong word

TeacherYankeeDoodle · 2023-04-18T02:12:37+00:00

It’s sort of hard to call yourself Ex red pill without disavowing the concept entirely.

VigilanteJusticia · 2023-04-18T14:01:16+00:00

I’d been involved in the male self help movement since about 2006. Before it went mainstream like it is today. Left it a few years later. Then seeing it blow up on social media, I can tell you that the concept of high value male and high value female has evolved over time. Just like general society… things change. Sometimes for the better and other times for the worst.

High value men were from what I recall, a man who carried himself with confidence. He was interesting. He had a purpose in life, like self actualization. He had great social skills. Money was secondary… because let’s be real, most of us will never have access to the level of wealth that’s espoused by the current movement. Looks were also not important because you can’t change your genetics. But what you did have control over was how you presented yourself. There were stories of below average looking guys, low income guys, short guys, all having success with dating. Now most RP content focuses on the superficial things.

High value women were women who had similar qualities to high value men… confident, interesting, a purpose, were emotionally and financially independent etc… but also were very beautiful women, I can’t lie there. The difference was that you understood that high value women were also sexual beings with free agency to sleep with whoever they want. And it was often frowned upon if you were a guy who had all these weird hang ups about sex and women and expecting them to be virgins, or trying to control them. Now this iteration of the movement and it’s definition of high value women is basically an infantile version of what the original meaning was. Now they want someone who has no basic concepts of adulthood, no sexual experience, financially dependent, emotionally stunted.

Even though I left the men’s help movement back then because I saw signs of it being toxic, I could never have imagined just how bad it could become. And really, this is scary by comparison.

In short… toxic people will make self-serving definitions based on what they want. In this case, they want your clicks and views so they’ll make definitions mean things that will engage you via negative emotions.

xvszero · 2023-04-18T17:34:15+00:00

Red pill has a lot of explanations that are really confused and stupid. But that doesn't mean none of this matters.

Looks - Most people want a partner whom they have some attraction to, especially if their partnership will involve physical intimacy, as most do. Red pill is just incredibly simplistic / confused about how attraction works in the real world.

Money - Most people want to live a decent life, and to be honest, it's tough to do that if you're scrambling to keep a roof over your head all the time. As someone who grew up somewhat poor and watched his parents fighting about money all the time, I DO NOT WANT TO REPEAT THAT. I worked hard myself to avoid that, chose a partner who is also hard working, etc. and honestly it took us a long time but we're financially pretty sound right now. So while neither my partner or I are "gold diggers" or any such nonsense, it's been important to both of us to work hard and earn enough for us to live a somewhat comfortable life.

Age- Most people want someone they can connect with, and age is a factor in this. This is where red pill gets incredibly wrong / confused. The majority of people date loosely within their own age range, for a reason. Yeah you'll find some weirdos, usually older men who only want to date younger women, but that's not most people.

I'd add in a few other things myself, like shared ethics (and yes this often involves "politics"), a shared vision on important life things (do you want kids, etc.) and some other things.

Kurzilla · 2023-04-18T17:18:30+00:00

Not anybody who tells you they are. That's generally your first tell.

Legitimate-Ad3832 · 2023-04-22T00:03:26+00:00

The whole premise is wrong. Every person is equally valuable just for the nature of being a person. We are all equally valuable just for the fact that we are all human beings. We all have inherent worth.

This entire line of thinking leads you into some very disturbing places. Lets say someone is physically unattractive and disfigured, poor, living on the street with severe paranoid schizophrenia. With this world view, you would be saying this person has no value. That they are valueless, or worthless. It dehumanises people. It's really fucked up. It reduces all interactions with others into games of transactional value with winners and losers. If you really study this line of thinking you can see how warped and twisted it is.

Different people value different things in a partner. One person may value humour more than another. Another person might be pre-occupied with looks. Another with money. Every person has a different idea of what they value. People are different and very complicated. I think a healthy, well-adjusted person wants someone honest, loyal, mature, kind and genuine. Physical attraction is going to be an obvious pre-requisite for a romantic relationship so that goes without saying. I think financially most people just want enough to pay the bills and have a decent quality of life. Beyond a certain level money won't make you any happier and I think people who've lived a bit and grown up recognise that. Age-wise, in and around the same age is where you are going to have the most in common generally.

dharkanine · 2023-04-18T13:56:11+00:00

It's my understanding that the concept of "high value man" originated with FDS, and they have many threads that state what does and doesn't qualify.

From this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/dqnjgx/what_is_a_high_value_man/

So without further ado, let’s get into it. This is what constitutes a high value man:

A man that is respectful, loyal and faithful

A giving man that pays for dates and a relatively higher proportion of expenses in the relationship

A man that is confident, consistent and reliable

A man that listens to what you say and tries his best to do as you ask

A man with a good, sustainable job

A man that appreciates you and shows you that he loves you

A responsible man that keeps his word

A man that takes care of his body, his face and his physical appearance

A man that cares about your sexual pleasure and goes down on you regularly without being asked

If you’re interested in having children, an attentive, responsible father and caretaker

Of course, RP got big mad at the idea of being told they needed to pay for dates and go down on a woman, so they rolled the concept into their lingo and flipped it on its head.

Humble-Plankton1824 · 2023-04-18T01:13:16+00:00

I think it's for single people who are looking to define what they want in a partner and what that means to them.

The things people value can tell you a lot about them

Booda069 · 2023-04-18T12:27:18+00:00

Idk....maybe whatever your society or culture values in their men and women.

I don't think this is a concept created by redpill

domitori3 · 2023-04-18T21:38:57+00:00

The value is always subjective, just like in the modern economic theory. So instead of asking the absolutist question about value - ask a more accurate one "what makes someone high value for <insert persons name here>?".

Actual_Average_3941 · 2023-04-18T12:02:01+00:00

me 😎

TheseNthose · 2023-04-18T16:48:59+00:00

think of what you find attractive in a person off the bat and if it were a credit score. Some traits carry more weight.

But yes off the bat things like looks, money, status, "pre-selection" aka the company you keep.

Yeah sure they're superficial to an extent, but we're talking about what's attractive off the bat. When you look across the room what do you notice about them with how they interface with the world.

This is what they're talking about. It's not necessarily the same as actually being a person that brings value to the world. It's a word that describes you're initial attractiveness.

These can change over time or even culture to culture. But we live in an american culture so things like money success count for a higher impact on that credit score if that makes sense.

idkman0485 · 2023-04-18T14:26:07+00:00

Think of it as supply demand, basic economics. Someone who has in high demand by the opposite sex but is hard to find is high value.

For example Justin Bieber is very sexually appealing due to his fame, looks and wealth and so he is considered a hvm based on this model.

I have an female friend who is considered sexually appealing because she is young, inexpirienced, pretty, athletic, motherly and kind so she would be a HVW because a lot of men want that.

Nightchanger · 2023-04-20T11:52:37+00:00

Value isn't inherent.

Specialist_Product51 · 2023-04-24T22:42:51+00:00

Neither exists, like alpha male.

Title	What the hell is a high value man/woman?
Author	curiousAbyssiniancat
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Date	April 18, 2023 1:09 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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