Why do women defend guilty women ?

General-Teacher5865 · 2024-02-28T00:03:13+00:00

From a young age they are taught that girls support girls and to empower each other. What they didn't account for was that not all of them are good people deserving of support but they get it anyway because it's just another way of trying to say "wow we're so much better than men".

mr_ogyny · 2024-02-28T00:19:17+00:00

Their image of victimhood is power in western society. Feminists try their hardest to maintain that image because they don't want to lose their 'oppression' privilege. This is also a trait of borderline personality disorder.

For society as whole, there is still a strong lack of empathy for men whereas women are seen human beings with feelings. So when women do bad things people try to understand their mindframe, whereas with men the reason is irrelevant.

Punder_man · 2024-02-27T23:31:37+00:00

Because accountability is a tool of "The Patriarchy"
Or because when a woman commits a crime like murder, theft, sexual assault etc.. then its ALWAYS because an evil man "Made" her do it...

Ergo in their minds women are not as culpable as men are and so shouldn't go to jail for those reasons..

Or some bullshit like that anyway..

Hubris1998 · 2024-02-28T00:17:09+00:00

To create a world where women have no accountability and all the rights while men carry all the responsibility and are literal second-class citizens.

BadmonTG23 · 2024-02-27T23:57:34+00:00

Birds of a feather flock together. One full blown narc leads the entire group due to their need for attention and status seeking behavior (all driven by insecurities). The full blown narc naturally attracts a group of women with narcissistic tendencies that enable them and they just bounce supply off each other like crack heads. Before you know it you have a team of morally compromised women walking around fucking up the lives of anyone they come into contact with.

As the heard mentality gets more ingrained they become worse and worse.

coperrra · 2024-02-28T02:32:24+00:00

Strong in group bias

LateralThinker13 · 2024-02-28T02:25:19+00:00

Google "ingroup preferences". Both men and women favor women by default. It is genetic.

RoryTate · 2024-02-28T01:32:27+00:00

What often happens in many of these cases is that the public's first impression of the criminal is by seeing them as a "victim" of some kind. I'm not sure if this is who you are talking about in relation to this post, but Amber Heard was the person who popped into my head upon reading it. And looking at her case, she claimed that a man was the aggressor against her, which is an accusation that is automatically believed by many. And that belief is a powerful currency, because even when the facts eventually prove otherwise, a first impression is hard for many people to overcome. So what happens mentally is that they just find some other justification for the emotional reaction they still feel, which leads to it somehow always being the fault of an evil man or men.

As just an example of how these conversations usually go:

"She was the victim of a man!"

No, it turns out she was the one who actually committed a crime.

"Well, then she's the victim of mental illness! That was what made her do it!"

Um no, a psychiatric evaluation shows her to be a reasonably aware and responsible adult.

"Then she must be a victim of some previous trauma!"

Didn't you hear what I just said? She's been diagnosed as having no significant mental health issues.

"Then she must be a victim of the patriarchy in some way!"

Sigh...

On a side note, the infamous Jackie in the Rolling Stone UVA hoax debacle followed this very pattern. After her story crumbled, her friends and supporters came forth and explained that she had simply mistaken some other real sexual assault – honest, this one actually happened, for realz! – with the wild story she made up. So she was still a victim, and no matter what evidence was turned up, she would always remain a victim in their minds.

This is why "innocent unless proven guilty" and the practice of withholding judgment until a person has reasonable information about a case is so vital to the course of justice. Once someone makes up their mind about something, it is very difficult to change their opinion on that matter.

Jaded_Permit_7209 · 2024-02-28T04:57:23+00:00

Women are in the majority of cases emotionally incapable of holding another woman accountable. Only when a woman does something truly atrocious to other women do they start to care.

penduR7 · 2024-02-28T00:30:34+00:00

Because they see everything as “us vs the patriarchy”

untamed-italian · 2024-02-28T00:43:22+00:00

Because women are more aware than anyone that to be a woman is to be perceived as inherently valuable, and anything which challenges that impulsive perception is a threat.

omfgsrin · 2024-02-28T01:17:30+00:00

Herd mentality.

Scary-Error4119 · 2024-02-28T04:45:42+00:00

Women support defend guilty women because that's their weaponnized personas...they don't have a lot of muscles so they fight with lies tears manipulative combative entitled delusional drugged up schizophrenic ways..they are not developed mentally although they may be very old....I see it all the time at work school the street..the bus..in stores shops elevators

Make-TFT-Fun-Again · 2024-02-28T00:09:28+00:00

To protect the image of women as victims not perpetrators, which feminists need to continue to receive funding.

Ourlittlesecret32 · 2024-02-28T01:03:55+00:00

Because girl power or women supporting women or some shit

heeroena · 2024-02-28T03:06:33+00:00

Because guilty women expose ugly truth about female nature and women need to sell an image of purity and innocence which is fake like make-up

Positive_Narwhal_419 · 2024-02-28T01:04:14+00:00

Because to them women can do no wrong.

GuysItsGalxy · 2024-02-28T02:53:42+00:00

So the in-group bias of women, or in other words they're willingness to support each other through anything... Is a whopping 4.5x higher than men, meaning they will quite literally know you're a horrible person and still stand up for you and protect you whereas men are not the same

itnotmyfaultyouregay · 2024-02-28T03:33:34+00:00

People who commit certain crimes don’t like to see other people get in trouble for committing those same crimes.

HotaruZoku · 2024-02-28T07:37:20+00:00

I've never recovered from the Depp/Herd trial giving rise to an entire label meant to assert that women have innocence on such lock, the closest they can ever get to responsible for 0.000001% of their own life is to be

"Imperfect Victims."

Imperfect victim? That's an odd way of pronouncing

"You shit on my bed. You are not the heroine of this story."

gold_ark · 2024-02-28T00:54:51+00:00

I don't know much about social psychology, but I guess it would be a way of preserving their reputation as a group. Also, women are the fairer sex, so because of the halo effect, they are viewed as less likely to do something heinous without just cause.

live_long_n_prosper · 2024-02-28T02:46:44+00:00

Corruption, poor values

wiptcream · 2024-02-28T03:13:16+00:00

it’s a hive mind mindset. change a few words with “patriarchy” and they agree with the MRM.. “society fails men at the bottom leading to rising mental health issues” -> “the patriarchy puts unnecessary pressure on men at the bottom leading to rising mental health issues”. “court treats men unfairly” -> “the patriarchal court system treats men unfairly leading to harsher sentences and unfair treatment in family court”.

now think about how this is used in all aspects. if your entire position can be changed by using buzzwords you stand for nothing.

live_long_n_prosper · 2024-02-28T04:54:22+00:00

from an evolution pov, women are seen as more valuable than men bc they are cuter and create life - so they are given grace bc it wouldn't serve a population to impair their evolutionary fitness.

Also, bc they are cuter, they look more infantile, the halo effect tricks the brain into thinking they are of diminished cognitive capacity (less intelligent - less culpable) and so they are given more grace for that reason as well

This all operates at an unconscious level so as a society we need to have awareness of this and not let it run amok bc women are no less culpable...

PwincessAuggie · 2024-02-28T07:29:33+00:00

Not all women are intelligent people. There is alot of them who have the IQ of a rake and will support anyone who has a pussy even if they murdered their partner and children

DrewYetti · 2024-02-28T11:22:16+00:00

Rah Rah the sisterhood of course and the female in-group bias.

bigdickk71 · 2024-02-28T02:28:55+00:00

F them witches

volleyballbeach · 2024-02-28T00:30:58+00:00

These are two separate questions

Not sure why someone would defend a person they know to be guilty

As for the assumption of innocence of women more than of men, I imagine it’s usually gender bias

saito200 · 2024-02-28T03:28:46+00:00

Tribal thinking

nihilisticinky · 2024-02-28T03:31:33+00:00

they'll side with other women regardless of who's in the right.

2024-02-28T04:29:27+00:00

It's a cunt bond. Cunts always defend other cunts because they think they do no wrong.

plumberack · 2024-02-28T04:49:51+00:00

High in-group bias.

Alternative_Poem445 · 2024-02-28T06:31:59+00:00

in group bias, what is good for all women is good for the individual. if they defend the uglies then they have solidarity.

mrkpxx · 2024-02-28T07:36:57+00:00

They hope to benefit from this if it affects them and they immunize themselves against criticism.

QuietFew5805 · 2024-02-28T08:29:03+00:00

I think women have a stronger in-group bias than men. I also think that they're statistically less likely to murder or rape than men. It's also possible that a higher percentage of women murder ongoing domestic abusive partners than men, and that female rape is more implicit than male rape, for example, statutory rape by a female teacher of a male student.

It's also likely that women are only defending other women to men, and secretly tearing sheds off the so-called 'defended' woman amongst her fellow women.

Women seem to only prefer women generally, and men seem to prefer men specifically.

Recording_Important · 2024-02-28T09:58:11+00:00

Guilt doesnt exist for them

Ok-Significance-3351 · 2024-02-28T13:09:25+00:00

I think honestly that man are defending woman more. But from my personal experience

Friendly_Might_1348 · 2024-02-28T14:46:15+00:00

Their reasoning is simple: "But she's a woman!"

PrestigiousEdge3719 · 2024-02-28T19:17:01+00:00

They are incapable of accountability

Fantastic_Witness391 · 2024-02-28T20:47:59+00:00

Probably the notion of “oh he did something to her and he deserved it” rape culture rhetoric. Another reason could be that the women knew each other, or they were in on it idk. Lots of reasons and they’re all deplorable.

HeForeverBleeds · 2024-02-28T20:48:06+00:00

Because too many of them "support women's rights and women's wrongs." And sadly it's not just women; society in general, both men and women, contribute to the downplaying of predatory women, and giving them a pass for abusive behavior.

HotwheelsJackOfficia · 2024-02-28T21:38:23+00:00

Accountability for your own actions is misogynistic, racist, homophobic, and transphobic.

Feeling-Series9365 · 2024-02-28T23:33:14+00:00

Because they hate men

DaJosuave · 2024-02-29T14:08:28+00:00

It's enabling, they know it.

JJnanajuana · 2024-02-28T02:03:14+00:00

Most women don't defend guty women.

Check comments about the Johnny Depp trial, most women, especialy abused women, recognised AH as the abuser and did not defend her.

They hated her both for being an abuser and for making it harder for real victims to be believed.

That said: same trial, lots of women did defend her.

Some likely didn't watch it and believed her/the media that supported her that she wasnt guilty, some are psychos like her who want the privelage of apearing the victim when they are abusive, some have "chosen their side" and will defend "women" like a football team, no logic, just teams.

Theres also people giving every unlikely possibility and giving women the benefit of the doubt, even when the doubt is tiny and they wouldnt do the same for men. It isnt just women doing this, men do this for women too.

Plus-Pollution-5916 · 2024-02-28T00:13:15+00:00

Because it's always men's fault.

Edit : I said it ironically, if you see otherwise. Go see my posts on this sub before judging me. ( I am a man btw)

purpdrank1 · 2024-02-28T17:21:28+00:00

Because all females in general are hive-minded, they lack logical thinking and the ability to have independent thoughts

MeanestNiceLady · 2024-03-01T20:10:30+00:00

Do they though? Ask your average woman if they think Casey Anthony wasn't guilty...

RabbitFromBrazil · 2024-02-28T02:08:48+00:00

Why do SOME women defend guilty women ?

Never, under any circumstances, generalize an entire genre because of a few.

Lower_Letter9860 · 2024-02-29T16:50:46+00:00

Does anybody here have any idea as to what the patriarchy actually is and how it functions?

DifficultPapaya3038 · 2024-02-28T01:26:58+00:00

Groupthink

kkkan2020 · 2024-02-28T07:08:12+00:00

Humans are f#ing stupid that is all.

KarmicChaos · 2024-02-28T08:13:55+00:00

Indoctrinated Herd Mentality.

International-Pool29 · 2024-02-28T09:00:05+00:00

The following is a copy and paste from another thread that probably resonates also with the question in the OP

Original post: Is also probably a playing factor that we treat male awkwardness with more suspicion than female awkwardness because in our evolutionarily hardware terms, a tribe doesn't feel threatened as much by a woman acting a little off or akward as much as a man who may be using it as a camouflaging tactic for masking psychopathic, sociopathic or just overall general evil tendencies

Not justifying it, more like explaining it how we came to terms about it:end of original post

This kinda explains it more from phycological terms rather than biological ones

Another reason might be that aside from the fact women already have a strong-ass in-group bias, I think also it might just be women's vulnerability is still heavily weaponized in our society

Mostly because women make for great social coordinators more than men due to their faster ability to pick up on social cues and emotional sensitivities of others

So women tend to naturally assume more innocence out of other women where as men's wrongdoings get far more call out from both men and women due to our lack of a social influence role to play a part of

Huffers1010 · 2024-02-28T09:58:39+00:00

For the same reason that my own mother deflects concerns about the huge rate of violence against men by saying "it's men doing it!"

I don't think there's a lot of actual consideration going on here. You could say they don't really mean it, although they're willing to say it a lot, which suggests to me that they do mean it, they just don't care.

In short, the world has taught these people that they are forever victims (which is as bad for them as it is for anyone else, and it's pretty bad for everyone else). The result is a group of people for whom it's instinctive to seize upon that victim status and jealously guard it, even to the detriment of themselves and people they like. This has sometimes been called an "amygdala response," an activation of the fight or flight instinct. It causes people (perhaps otherwise sensible people) to react with uncontrollable anger to any suggestion of things they don't want to be true. It's common among religious and political zealots and that will be a very familiar scenario to anyone who's posted on any of the stereotypically hardline feminist subreddits.

When people say that they can't stand argument, that's literally true. They really, psychologically are unable to deal with anyone disagreeing with what they believe. This is why religious wars happen and this is why I'm so concerned about the rise of hardline critical social justice and associated thinking.

As ever the problem is not really that this happens, because society will always contain zealots of some sort. The problem is that when most people do it, it's looked down on by society, whereas when really hardline man-hating feminists do it, it's viewed as laudable and good.

Eastwood96 · 2024-02-28T10:55:00+00:00

Feminism.

Rule #1: It's not her fault. (Her Body, Her Choice, but NOT her liability)

MrGingerella · 2024-02-28T15:27:11+00:00

Kick one they all limp 🤷‍♂️😂😂

UWontHearMeAnyway · 2024-02-29T04:06:00+00:00

I think it's a mix.

The aspects that make them great partners for men, also make them enemies of men. Context, environment, is everything.

I recently saw an interview, where an ex CIA agent talked about several things. One was stages of development, and how that affects people making decisions later on in life. The early stage (I believe from 0 to age 8), children (men and women both) are highly susceptible to what they are taught. By in large, they don't have the ability to filter what they're told with what is truth. A parent says "this is truth" and boom... the kid believes it true.

After that, children begin to be able to think about things being said, and wonder if they are true or not.

Feminism has been going strong for decades now. Really since 1930s. But largely since 1970s. So, let's say 50 years. That means that children are told things in early childhood, that could very well be towards feminist agendas. And they won't have the ability to discern or filter from what is truth, verses what is just propaganda and rhetoric. That's part of the issue though.

Another aspect is social polarization. Which I suppose closely ties to propaganda and rhetoric. Many people in general, men and women, are susceptible to this. In fact, psychology studies have shown that it's extremely rare for people to be able to go against social polarization. So, if there is heavy rhetoric, both men and women are likely to believe in it. Even if it's absurd. Even if it could mean their own demise. Don't believe me? I encourage you to look up the experiments done with this, where they had participants in a study not react, when the building was announced to be on fire (it was a fake fire, even had smoke machines, to make it look real). But some didn't know that. They socially polarized, and stopped reacting, and just stayed in the room. AFTER the alarm sounded, after smoke appeared. They just say there. Just because others in the room didn't react. This rings true for people pushing their agendas onto others. Enough rhetoric, and the numbers of believers will swell. Hence why cults are possible.

So, decades of rhetoric and propaganda. From several generations. It's spreading like wildfire. Any opposition is met with the same responses as those of tyrannical societies in the past. Anger, blaming, shaming, rhetoric, bullying. Conform or be bullied into submission is their aim.

The rhetoric? Women always right and good. Men always wrong and evil. Indoctrination doesn't go away just because of their teammates is guilty of something. Indoctrination takes over, women always right and good. Therefore, it can't be them to blame. Men always wrong and evil. So it must be a man's fault somehow.

Nature has embued women with a natural state of maleability. To be a great teammate, you have to be on board with things your leader says, even if it goes against your natural instincts to nurture. Because survival sometimes depends on ignoring nurturing, temporarily, in order to get to a safe place. To get through the current fight or battle, to get through the fire, out of the burning house or car, away from the chasing predator after us. We can't stop to nurture a wound, or cry.

But, at some point, we must succumb to that instinct. Else, the wound turns into a bigger problem. But in those survival moments, it goes against women's instincts. That very inclination has left them open to attack, from their very side.

Yet, a good leader will not force anther to lead. So, men tend to back off and let them make their own mistakes. You cannot force someone to follow. They must be willing to. Except, in current society, they won't, until something major breaks their rhetoric cycles. Pattern interrupts, loud enough to disrupt their propaganda.

Title	Why do women defend guilty women ?
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Date	February 27, 2024 11:25 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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