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How many approaches you do in a week?

_Black_Owl_ · 2017-07-21T12:01:52+00:00

Here 3-4 a week. Its very little I know. Ideal would be 20-30. What about you?...

_Black_Owl_

July 21, 2017

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Title	How many approaches you do in a week?
Author	_Black_Owl_
Upvotes	11
Comments	61
Date	July 21, 2017 12:01 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/6onge4/how_many_approaches_you_do_in_a_week/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/seduction/how-many-approaches-you-do-in-a-week.1292737 https://theredarchive.com/post/1292737

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[–]takemeplaces 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (49 children) | Copy Link

[–]Keklan 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link

[–]famineofcrows 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

it might not be as uncommon as you think to try and try and never get any results.

If you read pickup forums on rooshv and rsd, you'll see lots of journals lasting for years with guys failing to get any attraction. Usually they end up going to the Philipenes or somewhere.

Even here, for example there's this guy who I gather has been at it for quite a while and writes FR's , trying to implement the advice given to him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/6oqqdd/couple_of_direct_approaches_fr/

He's also a self-confessed ugly dude (ps - tyler from RSD isn't ugly at all. He has good facial features. Doesn't have like a huge nose, or a weird shaped mouth etc)

I'm not a 'it's all about looks' guy, but I think people downplay them a hell of a lot around here. Fact is, there are certain girls who will NOT give you the time of day if you aren't what she considers handsome.

[–]Keklan 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it might not be as uncommon as you think to try and try and never get any results.

I never said THAT was uncommon. It's not because of looks though is my point.

It's a fact that if you have a leak or something counter productive you do consistently and do not correct the problem.....you are not likely to improve much as long as the problem remains unsolved.

People insisting it must be something other than their game ultimately only hurt themselves. If you consistently get bad results over a long period it IS your game that is the problem. If you blame your looks then you won't identify the real problem.

This stuff is extremely powerful if applied correctly.

Fact is, there are certain girls who will NOT give you the time of day if you aren't what she considers handsome.

You are still confusing looks with attraction. You can attract women without having physical looks.

That's why we have so many techniques for 10's. You don't need looks to get them attracted. Social proof, flash game, negs, dhvs, teasing, hoop theory, rapport, comfort, kino, etc...

That's the entire reason most of those techniques exist. You can attract 10's with them and do it consistently. The way you think about this stuff is based on a demonstratably false premise.

[–]takemeplaces 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago* (34 children) | Copy Link

[–]Keklan 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

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[–]olronk4 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

they blame all their failures on their looks and refuse to even try to improve themselves and develop attractive personalities.

I realized this when I was 23 that I needed to improve myself and do everything that I can to become a better person.

As I mentioned I improved my life and lost a ton of weight with diet, lifting, and activities and am now in the best shape of my life. I've done a ton of stuff to improve my financial status and have a career that I like to do everyday.

I'm now 25 and while I'm at the highest point of my life I'm still not really considered attractive by women, so the other day I thought about just stopping. Not going to the gym anymore or grooming myself as much but I kinda realized that I only have two options. Either give up and stop trying to improve OR keep improving myself and being the best that I can be and if I work hard enough I'll be at the same level as other men my age when it comes to attractiveness.

I chose the latter thankfully and I don't feel as bad about it as I did about a week ago.

This is VERY well understood. I'm shocked so many people need to be told this. Especially on seddit

I think it is understood but what's not understood is the work that you have to put in to overcome having below average looks.

I feel that there aren't really any people who have advice for below average men either here or pretty much anywhere I've looked. Most of it seems to be geared towards men who are either average or are already attractive to women.

But I do agree, in terms of how it all works I think everybody understands it.

[–]takemeplaces 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

[–]Keklan 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

DHV as is tell stories about like, my ex model girlfriend and that sort of stuff?

DHV just means "demonstration of higher value" or alternatively "demonstration of high value".

Some guys use stories as a way to do it but that's not exclusively how it does. There are literally hundreds of ways to DHV, you can lace your entire game with them like landmines.

You absolutely HAVE to DHV to regularly pull 9's or better. Even for some 8'S.

When I say you may be inadvertantly DLVING, I mean demonstrating low value. Like when I was a teenager for example, I was too clingy and got overly attatched to girls.

When they see that, it is an example od a DLV. I was communicating through that behavior that my value as a guy was quite low. It hurt me. Then I cut it out and my game went up a lot.

I promise i'm not lying when I say my good looking friends literally just turn up and girls either approach them or make it BLATANTLY obvious that they want ot be approached

Oh I know, I even have a friend who is so good looking if he is walking hotties will stop to pick him up. Strangers, lol.

No amount of game will ever get you that. Lots of Social proof is the closest you will get to that.

However, that has no bearing on your ability to approach, attract, bang, and have relationships with hot women.

None whatsoever. It just means you will not get approached or flirted with based on your looks alone.

They are nice to have yes, but not neccessary

[–]takemeplaces 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Othere than DHV sotires, what sort of things are you referring too? (i'm gussing thing like sense of humour, being non-needy, teasing etc?)

I'm not even overly depressed about my lack of success anymore. I used to be after teh first 9 months or so. I was like ''I'm appraoching, and trying to implement everything i've learnt, but ut's juts rejction after rejection!'' and i'd be very annoyed.

I'm so used too it now that it doesn't hurt as much. I'm a little numb to rejection now.

I just go up to the girl, try to have a fun conversation. I try to escalate at some point which is where tehy always back off as they don'twant anything more than friendship with me. I can't make girls sexually attracted to me

ps - those are the less frequent, more positive interactions. Tyoically i'll be told ''Not interested'' or they looks at me and I just ignored after I open!

I literally never get any matches on tinder either so I know i'm not imagining being on the ugly side, lol, and so it's really the only likely reason that I can personally use too explain it. (and I am in good physcial shape for what it's worth. Whenever someon mentions looks everyon always assume the person is a fat ass! :))

[–]Keklan 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

A DHV is any behavior that demonstrates high value.

Having a pic of you with your arms around a couple hotties on your fb page would be a DHV (social proof).

Negging a 9 or 10 correctly is a DHV.

Screening them, qualifying/false disqualifying them are both DHV's.

Stories can be used to DHV but that stuff like "oh my super model ex gf wrecked my maserrati" type shit is actually a demonstration of lower value.

Because they know you are full of shit trying to impress them. That is where guys fuck up trying to DHV. They really are just trying to impress them with a fake persona.

Teasing like you said, can be used to DHV. Refusing to buy a drink when asked can also be a DHV. There are ten million ways you can lace those all throughout your game for maximum impact.

As long as they are not improperly executed, they work. More important than DHV is perhaps NOT dlving. Needy behavior, blowing up her phone, getting possessive, etc....all those are demonstrations of low value.

Gotta examine your whole game and dismantle any habits that you identify as communicating low value.

so it's really the only likely reason that I can personally use too explain it

Had you never been exposed to the seduction community I could understand that perspective.

You have obviously read some things and you have done a lot of approaches. You should definitely know better than that. I can't be the first person who has told you about it. I think it is on the sidebar or the sticky somewhere too.

The looks question was solved many years ago.

You are just consistently doing something counter productive in your sets. The real question is what it is. If you blame everything on lack of looks, you will never be able to identify the real problem and solve it

[–]takemeplaces 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, yuo're right in that i've certainly been exposed to the community. I've read maybe 6 books and have watched most RSD products for example. I know about peoples opinions on looks, and they certainly vary a little bit, but from what i've seen with my own eyes, looks are very important, i'm sad to say.

I guess i'm more from the mark manson school of thought in regards to looks - Like, you don't need to be a male model, but if a girl looks at you and thinks you're ugly, she becomes a 'no girl' and then you're VERY unlikely to be able to get anywhere with her (no girls) with 'game'- Especially from a cold approach

But yeah, I don't wanna sit here and bitch and moan about it. I'm still out there trying.

If I haven't been able to find a leak in 2 years, i'm not sure I ever will, but I live in hope! I've tried everything, though. Imix it around a lot in terms of my vibe and stuff.

Lots of posters seems to imply that Uk cold approach is a different animal to the US due to the culture of not talking to strangers. I noticed even MaxRSD got MUCH colder rcptions from UK girls with his London footage for his latest fealress product

I often walk up too a girl, and whether I open indirect, direct, cocky, funny, etc, a lot of the time the girls just kind of look at you as if to say ''Who are you and why do you think you're allowed to talk to me?!!'' haha

Then sometimes will either plain ignore your statement/question, or just be kind of acerbic the whole time, waiting for you to leave. (obviously not every set, but a very high percentage)

I'm not sure what to experiment with next in order to find any leak that may potentially exist.

I'll be out tomorrow night though and will be sure to make at least 6 approaches

regards

[–]Keklan -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]JimBeamAndCoke2016 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The looks question has been solved a long time ago. Ugly, even overweight guys have gotten to top tier game level. Physical unattractiveness is never an excuse.

No it hasn't. This debate continues in this sub at least once a week, and it's because that for many guys who are unattractive, it's their lack of facial appeal that's holding them back. For unattractive guys, they have to be at the top of their game in terms of appearance (grooming, dress sense etc) , social skills and confidence to have any chance at all, whereas girls are at lot more forgiving with good looking guys who are lacking in these other traits.

We constantly are told about these ugly guys who consistently pull hot women, yet I never come across them. In clubs and bars wherever I've been, it's the same story - the good looking guys get off with the girls and the below average guys get blown out, despite trying. I could count on one hand the number of times I've seen a below average guy do well in a club. I'm not saying these examples are impossible, just very rare.

As I've said before, the only time looks don't come into play as much, is in social circles or with girls you've known over time.

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Na, no alcohol needed. A lot of these guys do day game and don't even sarge clubs.

it happens, but its not the rule.

It is the rule. Once again, the problem is guys not even trying to develop their game and putting the work in. They just blame it on their looks and give up.

Effort and self improvement is what seperates the ugly guys who get a lot of beautiful women from the ones who don't even get laid.

A lot of good looking guys are sexless too mind you. Their game is whack is why.

I have seen a lot of guys try this out for like two weeks and couldn't handle the social pressure say "man this pua stuff is bullshit" and quit. Convinced it doesn't work.

It is difficult to learn is why. You have to be committed and willing to humiliate yourself in order to get better. Have to pay your dues to the game to get good.

Most guys aren't willing to experience those things to get good

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