The progression of a PUA, from the newbie to the master.

NickTDS · 2013-05-28T15:47:13+00:00

This was actually written by Mark Manson of Postmasculine on his old site:

http://web.archive.org/web/20100701232459/http://www.entropypua.com/blog/guide-to-your-pua-development

frogma · 2013-05-28T16:32:52+00:00

I'll look at the rest in a sec, but what popped out to me was the mention of day game vs. night game. For a guy like me, day game is much, much, much more difficult than night game, unless I'm in a particular mood. Night game just feels much more natural to me, and IMO is much easier. I go out with some friends, get a bit drunk, talk to some girls, and that's really all there is to it. Whereas with day game, I need to show myself as being a pretty confident/cool guy in a situation where I normally wouldn't be talking to strangers in the first place. I literally have to go out of my way to do it (except when it's situational). Whereas if I'm sitting at the bar, I'm already sitting next to the girl, we're already both watching the same sport on the TV, we're already both ordering drinks, we're usually both with friends, etc. Without even talking to her, we already have quite a bit in common at that point (we're already at the same bar in the first place).

None of that shit exists for day game, and unless you just go direct, you're gonna have a harder time finding some commonality that'll lead to a better conversation. I don't like going direct because that's just not the type of person I am. So for me, day game is much more difficult.

Manson's not "wrong" or anything, just saying we're obviously coming from different backgrounds.

Edit: The rest was good though. I disagree that an emotional connection is necessary -- IMO it's more of a bonus. If I want to have some random meaningless sex with a girl whose name I don't know, then I'll do that. It doesn't have a negative effect on me unless my goals are different, but they aren't. Either way, he's right that some sort of mental/physical connection is probably the best thing to strive for, and when a guy has enough experience, he will be more choosy. Then again, I've always been more of a manwhore -- if you look decent and make things easy, even if the love of my life is right around the corner, I'll still probably fuck you instead... if it doesn't require much effort on my part, I'm not complaining. If you're too easy and your looks do you a disservice, that'll still be a turn-off for me, but if you're decent, that's fine. I just think he puts too much of a focus on sex = love, instead of sex just being sex. But I already knew that about Manson. You can tell his main focus is to find a life-long partner, so that skews some of his opinions. My end-goal is pretty much the same (I'd love to have a wife and kids), but that doesn't mean I can't whore it up with various different girls in the meantime. In fact, I think that's the better way to do things, in the long run.

backtothegame · 2013-05-28T20:57:57+00:00

It doesn't take five fucking years, this is a whole pile of sales BS.

mescalineeyes · 2013-05-28T15:09:32+00:00

I really liked this, for what it's worth. It opened my eyes to a lot of things I haven't thought about.

Neuronless · 2013-05-28T15:52:52+00:00

Quite an interesting guide, even more so since I perfectly fit in the Intermediate stage (that "emotional resilience" being what I really need to work out, and I didn't even realized it was a thing).

Thanks for sharing.

ChapedAnkles · 2013-05-28T18:57:25+00:00

If you didn't wait until you had slept with 30 women to go to therapy you might not feel so compelled to sleep with 30 women.

love__hate · 2013-05-29T01:45:42+00:00

To be honest, I think that the idea of PUA as an end result is counterproductive. The more nonchalant your attitude is about women (ideally not needing to use strategy) the better you will do. Always trying to be a better Pua brings increased stress and competition to the attitude.

No fucks given

ThaDonKilluminati · 2013-05-28T14:19:07+00:00

Does 4chan have a pua chan?

FittersGuy · 2013-05-28T16:41:10+00:00

Very good read, I'm partially in the advanced category for now and partially integrated. I've started to realize a lot of the things that need to happen for me to become integrated, and reading this only really solidifies that. I've definitely thought about leaving the community, and for the most part I have. I still like to help the newbies though, someone helped me get to the point where I am so I'll pass it on.

deathray_dj · 2013-05-28T19:49:14+00:00

Wow. Great. I personally find day game to be harder than night, but to each his own.

2013-05-28T20:39:39+00:00

I've always been looking for this. To me it feels like this just describes Pickup in any manner and I think is very important to read for everyone who wants to learn Pickup, or not?

2013-05-29T00:00:39+00:00

thanks for the tears

cavalier2015 · 2013-05-29T03:58:15+00:00

What I got from that: The integrated man simply does not care anymore.

Mcdz · 2013-05-29T04:10:02+00:00

Brilliant.

br0c0 · 2013-05-29T04:53:10+00:00

I'm commenting so i can find this again. oh and +1.

2013-05-29T08:55:21+00:00

I have traits of each stage. You're either where you want to be or not.

choc_is_back · 2013-05-29T11:20:17+00:00

You know, seeing it laid out makes it very explicit to me that there are soooo many different paths, and that this 'common' path laid out by the author is just one of many. While in terms of 'lay count' and inner state I would probably fit best in category 3.

But then on the other hand I recognize myself at LOT in parts of each of those four stages, be it being often very fucking nervous (and often unable) to do an approach (which puts me squarely in stage 1), read only one real seduction book ('Double Your Dating', about a decade ago), don't have - and never had - any 'wingman' (which I kinda regret), but I've had long relationships with women that were deeply my match in every way that were deeply satisfying (stage 4?), consider myself pretty well in touch with my emotions... (and aware of how fucked up I am in general :)).

Still, great read!

obsideous · 2013-05-30T02:16:28+00:00

Is it possible to skip steps? I am a complete newbie (never been laid) but already feel like I am integrated (step 4). I am very selective about girls and have had quite a few that I know I could hook up with but didn't. I spend time trying to build my social circle and opportunities rather than just pursue girls as I know it is more efficient this way. What am I missing?

2013-05-28T17:38:11+00:00

Commenting so I can torrent all the books he recommends when I get home...

Title	The progression of a PUA, from the newbie to the master.
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Date	May 28, 2013 1:32 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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