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[–]tgorsk15 79 points80 points81 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That’s how you build confidence and social skills man👍🏼👍🏼
[–]DajuanKev 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree with this. Otherwise you never know.
[–]dailymanup 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
agreed
[–]HNTI 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or crush it, after 20 failures.
[–]Bagel_ona_stick 43 points44 points45 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s still a W in my book, congrats
[–]Dilpil01 242 points243 points244 points 7 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link
Might want to seduce her first a bit bro, not many girls will just say yes straight off the bat.
[–]skipper040295 points 7 years ago [recovered] (37 children) | Copy Link
How would I do that? Any advice? Seems like it’d be tough and awkward to seduce a girl I literally just met
[–][deleted] 281 points282 points283 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Tell her you have a boyfriend too
[–]skipper040268 points 7 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Lol, that’d be a good laugh
[–]msawaie 27 points28 points29 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Tell her now she has two
[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Power move
[–]Voyaller 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've said that a few times the reactions where quite funny.
[–]seduction1234 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is great advice
[–]recyclablebanthas70 points 7 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
Seems like it’d be tough and awkward to seduce a girl I literally just met
It's not. It just seems that way because you might be assuming that "seduction" is a different thing than it is.
All that seduction really is, is socializing. Social skills. That's the core of it. You use the same skills to talk to an old lady you have no intent of getting with.
The difference is, when you're with someone and there's a spark of something, then we call it seducing.
But really, "seduction" is going to start the very moment you meet and/or the moment you start interacting (even non-verbally).
Seduction isn't really anything that special. You could literally be talking about normal things and nothing out of the ordinary. Most of "attraction" is really out of our hands, but we need confidence to avoid unintentionally presenting a less attractive version of ourselves.
[–]singlecellfromearth 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Most of "attraction" is really out of our hands, but we need confidence to avoid unintentionally presenting a less attractive version of ourselves.
Please do elaborate good sir, I've been trying to get to the root of of it myself and have been kind of spinning in circles ;)
BTW I'll say this every time, thanks for all your posts Mr. banthas
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please do elaborate good sir, I've been trying to get to the root of of it myself and have been kind of spinning in circles
Glad if any of this helps.... :)To elaborate, there are a few ideas there:
"Most of 'attraction' is really out of our hands
So much of chemistry comes down to what's already in the two people at the time they meet. Even the best "player," can't game someone that it's not clicking with.
Now there are two caveats at least.
but we need confidence to avoid unintentionally presenting a less attractive version of ourselves. "
Confidence is one element of "inner game," that is supremely important. It's why some guys can say, "Hi," and it's a great line, and why other guys try it and fail.
It's through lack of confidence, that the guy unintentionally tells girls that they shouldn't be interested. It's like if someone goes into a store looking for a particular thing to buy...... if the salesman is looking at his feet or can't make eye contact, then a lot of people will have trouble believing in any suggestions the guy might make. They might even have trouble trusting him.
Whereas if the salesman really gets behind what they're selling, has confidence, etc., then the customer would be more likely to go along with whatever sales pitch they get.
It really is a two-sided thing though: confidence to show what you want (through actions), and actively observing to pick up her verbal and non-verbal feedback.
We could talk about how to get confidence, but that's a whole other thing, man. Hopefully this answers some of what you were asking.
[–]Tophat_and_Poncho 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So the root isn't really fully understood. You can name a few "attractive" traits, but how they are witnessed and received is a personal experience.
The good news is you don't need to understand it. His last line, "we need confidence" is what we all need to thrive. Going with that is about 80%. The rest is either uncontrollable or atleast not going to work all the time.
And the great thing about confidence is you can constantly practise it in everything you do.
[–]lemonh0pe 107 points108 points109 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Love it man! But - think about the context a little. Most people (including myself) use the gym to get in, get my workout, and get on with it.
I suggest you use the weekends (and don't drink) and hit up 3-4 bars. Follow these steps as a perfect way to warm-up, building up your confidence, and then close!
1. Open all. Open on sight. As soon as anyone comes into your line of sight, open them. (If I see a girl I like, I just GO FOR IT. Use the 3 second rule - don't wait more than 3 seconds to approach. That's what I think you got right here)
2. Minimize time in between interactions to allow your brain to become social
3. Don’t judge yourself
Don’t get addicted to the “female validation” drug. If you get blown out, know that it has nothing to do with YOU… enjoy the process and know you’re just building up your process for the night. It’s all good.
4. Have fun: Find something funny in every interaction. Lower your standards for what is required to have fun, enjoy the moment, and give yourself permission to have fun.
5. Keep it short and sweet early, burn it to the ground late
Don't worry so much in the beginning of the night. Have nice, short + sweet little convos to get yourself into a social mood. A lot of times I'll just talk to ugly girls (early in the night) simply for getting myself talking.
6. Keep building on each interaction… And then when you start seeing options, make sure you pull.
Edit: Tyler RSD (6 Steps For A Successful Night)
[–]Socialinception 50 points51 points52 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is good advice, but since it's an exact copy of RSD Tyler's six steps you should give credit where it's due.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This advice is the same for business networking events too fyi; aside from the flirting obviously. Art of charm is a dope podcast for the topic. Once I realized I could treat networking the same as dating really changed my life
[–]mattliamjack 16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You need to spend time getting to know a girl. They aren’t going to just agree to go out without chemistry
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Not always true. A little chit-chat and in a few good dates two people are likely to be in bed together.
[–]Aristox 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
A few good dates implies they've agreed to go out with you dude
[–]GuerrillerodeFark 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Don’t open by telling her she’s beautiful. Women are cute, never more than that
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I beg to differ. You clearly have not met my goddess of a boss.
[–]NorthVilla 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yeah but it's a vulnerable thing to say. I wouldn't let that out unless it's someone you're seeing/dating.
[–]Trowawaycausebanned4 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Vulnerability is brave
[–]NorthVilla 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Really depends.
[–]le_GoogleFit 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Idk mate, lately I feel more and more like allowing yourself to be vulnerable and not give a shit about it is actually the way to go
[–]NorthVilla 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I generally agree, so maybe vulnerable was the wrong word. Maybe desperate is what I meant to say. It's just a bit too up-front I think.
[–]BuckFuddy82 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Opening up with "you're beautiful" is a terrible idea because that's what 95 percent of men open a conversation with. When you start this way she immediately equates you to all the other guys that try and get with her.
[–]Ironchar 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
depends on how you say it.
intention, cause when done right it's super appreciated by the person... unless she is super young and is indifferent and hears it all the time
but SOME beautiful woman may NOT hear it all the time
[–]theAliasOfAlias 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Umm explain?
[–]Dilpil01 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Look dude, view it from her perspective. You're a stranger, she probably gets asked out all the time, so why should she choose to go on a date with you of all people? What are you selling?
You need to have something, anything, that elevates you above the pack of dudes she could find instantly on tinder. If you're not a Greek god in terms of looks, you're going to have to give her something else to like. There's a thousand ways to seduce girls, but generally you want to get to know her a bit, tease her, flirt, have a bit of fun, have a few laughs, etc. There's heaps of resources online for this.
[–]Aristox 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's some good links in the sidebar. You should also check out The Natural Lifestyles and Fearless Man on YouTube
[–]VulcanXIV 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't recommend it. It's absolutely true that relationships do not end with "I have a bf" but rather begin with that. The priblem with that is that you only really encourage monkey branching women. If she can ditch a guy for you then she'll ditch you for someone even better.
You two clicked, apparently, so you really should be a gentleman and forget about her. The real risk is when she decides to monkey branch anyway and approaches YOU at a later time.
Thing is, once she does that you're kind of forgiven because its normal to give her the benefit of the doubt and hope she's simply in a bad relationship or already broken up. Still a big if, though, so stay in the right side of the story at all times even if you get screwed in the end my dude
[–]JustAteSomeReddibles 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Skipper, this has worked for me everytime at the gym (granted I've only done it a handful of times)
I'll get her attention and kinda give her the up and down like dammnnnnn girl in a funny way and I'll say "are you a personal trainer here? I'm tryna get like you!" And kinda act really impressed with her "gains" and just be funny and casual about it. They'll always laugh and say "no, yeah right, oh please" blah blah, and I'll say no I'm for real you look really good! And I'll just transition right into a gym topic. "Do you workout here all the time? I've never seen you " or just ask her questions about her routine. It's an easy thing to connect on a common ground since yall are clearly in the gym and into fitness. Once you get the ball rolling you can move into other topics. I've done this and it always leads to really good, intriguing, long conversation and the number. Obviously you gotta be smooth and not a creep about it, but that's common sense.
[–]tobeortobeme -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or you could say I have a goldfish.... And be like Oh I thought we were talking about things that don't matter...
[+][deleted] -8 points-7 points-6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Kinda tease here. A good situational tease might be, “lol I caught you at the worst time, your so sweaty”
[–]Trowawaycausebanned4 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s so funny honestly
[–]Vault_0_dweller 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Especially at a gym of all places. I know most girls that are my friends say they hate it when they get asked out at a gym.
[–]kslidz 16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Did she start blushing or was weirded out because she was at the gym. Almost all women I know dont feel attractive at the gym and have way higher defenses while there. I would think you really want to get a rapport at the gym over a couple interactions than to go for the first line ask out. However you have to get that under your belt before you build confidence so a win either way
[–]skipper040212 points 7 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
She was definitely blushing. It wasn’t awkward or weird at all.
[–]Emperorerror 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So many people not believing you in this thread lmao
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Rejection is part of the game. It makes you a better, stronger person in the long run. Congrats on your approach!
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[–]CakeDay--Bot 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ok, this is epic. It's your 2nd Cakeday sstwweif! hug
[–]Bammer1386 26 points27 points28 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Tread lightly in the gym. I do to the gym to work out, not to socialize. I get irked if someone interrupts my workout for more than a minute, doesnt matter if they have a penis or a vagina. I'm sure i am not the only one. I go to places like the gym or the library to focus on something other than being social, so dont expect a girl to be too receptive at a gym unless shes one of those people that go there to be social.
[–]Cali_Val 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same here, but I wouldn't pass up the opportunity for some.
Pretty girl comes up and wants to chat & is giving off really good vibes... yeah i'm not gonna get my panties up in a bunch. I'll talk and shoot the shit and try to make something happen there.
besides https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/6243292/Meeting-pretty-women-makes-men-feel-good.html
You'll probably get better gains if you make some chit chat.
[–]KingOfWakanda34 18 points19 points20 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bro that’s dope! Let this be the first of many! Cheers!
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Very nice job. I did a warm approach yesterday and I the girl for her SC and she said I don't have one but what about Face Book. I said okay. She didn't mention a BF so I took that as a sign of interest. It was a good interaction. I didn't ask for contact info right away nor did I compliment her. I just assumed attraction and went from there. Here's how you know they are actually into you. They will glance at you and hold it longer than a normal glance. Generally 3-4 seconds. She will play with her hair will she looks at you a couple times but nothing obvious. 3 she will get close to you and give you solid eye-contact. 4. She will invest in the conversation. 5. She won't mention a BF or a husband. 6. She will be comfortable with touch.
Here's a tip, I don't ask if there single. I don't give them compliments, I don't put her on a pedestal what so ever. Attraction is hardly verbalized. You have to guess at it by gathering as much yes's and no's as possible. Does she hold eye-contact while talking to you? Yes. Does she preen a bit during eye-contact? Yes. Does she laugh at your jokes and their not even funny? Yes. Is she comfortable standing super close to you? Yes. Have a checklist.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not bad, but the Facebook/social media thing seems the antithesis of mysteriousness. I'd go for the number always.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm going out and doing Day Game today. Warm approach. I need to get some. I was so close on Saturday lol. I fucked up. I'm going to try for a instant date and then pull to her place. At least I didn't get rejected right lol.
[–]LeftHookTKD 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How do you approach without a compliment?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Talk about the current situation. Situational awareness. You don't have to give girls compliments. They heard it so many times before.
[–]singlecellfromearth 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Have a checklist
How do/did you develop your checklist? I went by something like this but then found that some personality types really differ and things that I had put on the "NO" checklist, certain women did these things while being interested. Or at the end of the day you use your "gut" or intuition to discern?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is actually a thing that women show when they are interested in meeting a guy. It's obvious when they keep eye contact while talking to you lol. No checklist would be ignoring you, no eye contact, body turned away ect. Bitch face. Short sentences.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Better to regret doing something, than doing nothing at all. I felt proud that I had the courage to approach, and knew I'd regret not trying. Great job man!
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nice job going in for it. Just stay completely natural and learn more about attraction. Don't hesitate to give her a little grin the next time y'all make eye contact. Say hey if you're near. Don't show any awkwardness and she'll have a lot of respect for you. If and when her guy starts showing weaknesses, you may be the first on her mind. I just read Atomic Attraction. I highly recommend it. Either way, keep up the ballsy work.
[–]Tyrion69Lannister 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nice man! Great job! Don't think to much about the flood of advice you'll be getting. These ppl mean well but before you think too hard about it, ask yourself. If she had said yes, would that person still be giving you advice? and would it still be relevant? Just because she said no doesn't mean you did anything wrong.
[–]kap1pa 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This comment needs to be higher upvoted.
[–]spacemudd 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Gym etiquette: don't feel the need to ask girls out too often.
It's a safe place where anyone can workout without being hit-on every minute.
[–]DizzyxSin 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
"You are beautiful let's go out"
This is a pick up line with zero seduction value to it and ONLY works if you got fun sexy vibes.
Next time learn to observe more, if she is wearing a watch, ask her to let you inspect it, hold her hand, ask questions about it and then finally compliment her THROUGH it. Women will think you might be seducing them, become curious, and open themselves for a chance to meet you.
You don't think she knows exactly what's going on when you're doing this?
[–]anduxo 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly what I was going to say. "You are beautiful let's go out" is a pretty much guaranteed way to get rejected.
The only positive thing here is that OP took the courage to start talking to beautiful girls, but he needs to work on his seduction.
[–]AdamL480 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can still be her friend. She might have friends
[–]pimpin-it 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I recomend to be less direct but not friendly, but by just approaching is really good, vocal tonality is important too so you can check vids about them
[–]auxdub 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Way to go! Realize that success comes from practice, so don't be too focused on this particular interaction.
Start doing more of this and build it into daily practice, with time you will be able to develop your own style of attracting and interacting with girls, but for now, it must be trial and error method.
Look for some books or videos about approaching/day game and put some ideas into your own practice, right now, it is time to learn, the benefits will come later.
[–]basicallyISIS 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
bruh just try and be her friend first, girls don’t go the gym wanting to be hit on by strangers.
[–]youni89 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good job man keep it up!
Way to go for it! It takes courage
[–]roamtheplanet 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good job. Just asking her out is the reward in itself. You don't have any control over the outcome. Maybe she really has a boyfriend, maybe she doesn't. I just think we need to compete with ourselves. If you approached one woman today, approach two tomorrow and so on.. pretty soon your game will be tight and it'll be second nature to approach
[–]ArcturasBCWA 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great work! Thank you for posting.
[–]beDeadOrBeQuick 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'll remember that!
[–]MBSCinsight 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm proud of you! keep it up!
[–]santlaurentdon 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even when rejected, you’ll feel incredibly empowered. And it’s a million times better than regret.
YES! YOU HAVE TO JUST DO IT SOMETIMES!
[–]mmonkeywrench 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please don’t approach girls at the gym. It will always be a fail.
[–]WhatsReddit123456 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lesson here, just because a girl makes eye contact, doesn't mean she's interested. Maybe if she makes eye contact that is like at least 3 seconds long, then she's interested.
[–]zincSF 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My $0.02: you need to build a little more interest (attraction) in her before going for the close. Fantastic opener, you might have followed with some observations about her, ideally one or two positively oriented and one teasing a bit. Whatever she says in response, riff and vibe off it. As you go, some "grounding" (comments about yourself, your background, whatever). After several minutes of such convo, THEN say "hey I gotta get back to my workout, why don't you give me your number and we'll find a time to get together and continue this". Maybe you don't get the boyyfriend test then. Or you do. Ignore it/joke about it and move forward. Watch Tom Torero's free youtube video on "i've got a boyfriend". Of course she does, even if she doesn't, because she views herself as a high value woman and one element of value is that men want her, so she is merely saying to you "hey, I have value!". If she really has a bf and you can't create enough interest/attraction, she won't close with you. But never, ever give up with the expected "I have a bf". And ignore those who say ignoring that is not respectful.
[–]Count_Giggles -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
oldest shit test in the book
[–]skipper04022 points 7 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
What do you mean?
[–]sambalsam 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
he meant that she was just testing how you would react to "I have a boyfriend" line but that's not true. Don't think about it too much, just do more approaches and you will learn by yourself how to approach better. Make this situation motivate you to approaching more rather than stopping and overthinking everything. You did great job!
[–]Count_Giggles -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
as u/sambasam said you did a good job by approaching her. More power to you
Shittests come in all form and colors. The "I have a boyfriend" response is one of the most common ones. Girls get hit on a lot and stating they have a boyfriend is (in most cases) enough to shoo away the male. It is a default defensive response and/or a tool to vet the guy. Doesn't mean she did not find you attractive. Maybe she does not want to date guys at the gym (don't shit where you eat). Next time you find yourself confronted with that line say something like "I don't want to be your boyfriend" or "great he can bake us cookies while we go on an adventure".
[–]guineapigmilkman -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Her nice way of saying not interested. The I have a boyfriend story.
[+]ZarathustraSpenta -11 points-10 points-9 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
you are a beta for caring that she had a boyfriend. A true alpha does not care and decides to win the battle.
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