Human Rights Activist (for both men and women) here with a question

Vegetable_Ad1732 · 2024-08-22T02:03:57+00:00

"I have unfortunately seen a lot more hostility towards MRAs than Feminists,"

This observation should tell you that you should be asking feminists this question, not us. We're just reacting in self-defense.

OldGuyWithAttitude · 2024-08-22T02:12:38+00:00

Edit: It was not auto-modded

We don't have a narrative that cannot survive logic or reality and therefore questions aren't our kryptonite.

DecrepitAbacus · 2024-08-22T04:18:50+00:00

Feminism never allies itself with anyone or anything. It's track record is of co-opting others' issues and making it all about themselves.

TheNattyJew · 2024-08-22T03:02:16+00:00

Feminists look at everything as a fixed pie situation. There are only so many pieces of pie to go around. If men get any kind of support from the government, it must therefore mean that women would get less support. Thus feminists actively work against MRAs getting any kind of support or aid or even recognition really

weatherinfo · 2024-08-22T02:42:49+00:00

There you go. You didn’t admit that radical feminism should be implemented and followed by all individuals, therefore your post got removed. It says a lot.

I agree with you that neither pushing for women’s rights nor men’s rights is misandrist or misogynistic, respectively, however, feminism is no longer about equality. It’s about the world being dominated by females. Privileges in court, in hiring, in school, in dating, conscription, everything.

I’d say it’s hard to accept each other because men’s rights pushes for the rights of men—a second-class creature to feminists; therefore, you could guess that MRAs aren’t fans of feminists either.

Edit to add that I haven’t seen a single comment or post on this sub get removed—even some that I personally would just because of how wildly stupid and hateful they are. Meanwhile with feminists you’re required to agree or else you’re banished from the land (I am right now).

LongDongSamspon · 2024-08-22T05:13:01+00:00

Why don’t you try to post reasonably on any feminism sub and see what happens? Then realise the nature of feminism.

(Hint - They will all ban and delete your posts)

Fearless_Ad4244 · 2024-08-22T03:20:08+00:00

Men's right stand for rights that boys and men don't have for discrimination against boys and men in law whether written or in practice and for discrimination of boys and men in society.

Independence_soft2 · 2024-08-22T04:41:01+00:00

-The War Against Boys- Christina Hoff Sommers

Is a good start on why the MRM is wary of feminism and the women's lobby. It's not just that they focus on women, they have historically fought against men's rights, and to worsen men's issues.

Preview,

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hj719mKBIB8&si=xmA8XfCXXgD_DJ_f

It is also available on audible, and in physical copies/e-books.

Current_Finding_4066 · 2024-08-22T09:19:55+00:00

In short: Feminist are not for equality. They see people who want equality for men as enemies. It is as simple as that.

Feminists claim they fight for equality. Unfortunately that is a lie. They fight only when it benefits women. And very often to a huge detriment to men.

Feminists fought against gender neutral draft, rape laws, retirement age,... Their actions speak louder than empty words of equality.

They cherry pick data, and sometimes fabricate it, to show men in poor light, and to promote sentiment that enables anti-men laws.

There are very good reasons many people got tired of feminists.

JayTheFordMan · 2024-08-22T05:21:46+00:00

MRAs constantly see Feminists dismiss or outright oppose MRA claims and activism, mostly due to inability to accept criticism of the narrative or seeing that conceding the MRA claims is to lose a piece of the pie. Good example is male DV victims, Feminists don't like them because they see it as evidence negating their narrative of DV being gendered violence perpetrated (solely) by Men, and that support takes away from their DV funding (ostensibly for women, or that men as victims are such a minority that they feel they can ignore them), or at least that's how they see it.

BEEZY086 · 2024-08-22T10:13:01+00:00

The biggest obstacle for mens rights is feminism. Unfortunately, the first reason feminists see mens rights as a threat is because it might take attention away from their cause. The second reason is that feminism is built around the idea that men and the patriarchy are the oppressors, and they dont want us being seen as victims in any way.

For the record. Most of the slander against mens rights comes from feminists. Feminists commonly associate mens rights with toxcity even though we do a pretty good job of keeping this place clean. Misandry, on the other hand, is allowed to run as free and rampant as it pleases within feminists subs. Feminists are welcome to come and post here as long as it's constructive. While people from this sub get shadowbanned all over reddit just for being a sub here.

They not like us.

throwaway1231697 · 2024-08-22T13:33:08+00:00

Both genders face issues, and there’s nothing inherently wrong with looking out for a gender’s rights. But sometimes this escalates to discrimination, which is why many feminists are also misandrists.

Of course, men can be similarly biased too. But research has shown that women are inherently more biased towards their own groups.

Another thing is that feminism aims to censor a lot of MRA conversations. Case in point, you get modded on a feminist subreddit but not here.

I think women face issues too, and I’m all in favor of healthy feminism. But between all the bias, misandry, and censorship of men’s rights, healthy feminism seems to be exceedingly rare.

throwaway0408800 · 2024-08-22T10:32:08+00:00

Because identity politics is seeded by vested interests who want to keep both men and women underheel.

WeEatBabies · 2024-08-22T11:45:48+00:00

Feminism supresses men's issues :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpPt6uqHapM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRuLJnxL2lA

Punder_man · 2024-08-22T05:18:59+00:00

Let me answer OP..
Feminism proclaims itself the one true ~~movement~~ religion when it comes to equality..
They firmly believe that equality can only be achieved by viewing issues through "The lens of Feminism"

But the problem is, the "Lens of Feminism" claims that ALL men are part of the "Problem" or part of the shadowy cabal boogieman called "The Patriarchy"
Not only that but under this feminist lens, men's problems / issues are caused by men and are up to men to fix..

How can we be expected to band together with a group that outright paints anyone of a specific gender as "The enemy"

Also, the fact that you were NOT auto-modded here should speak volumes here..
Feminism and Feminists are unable to accept any outside opinions which do not align with the dogmatic views of Feminism..

Here in the MRA sub though.. we may disagree with you but we won't silence you from stating your opinion..
So based on that.. which side is more "Open" or "Willing to talk" do you think?

Ok-Yogurtcloset7394 · 2024-08-22T22:04:00+00:00

misogyny is a reaction to misandry and vice versa. Feminist Ideologies are being pushed even when they are unscientifically founded. This creates massive issues. Whenever you try to enforce a idea by hidding the truth, the truth will cause consequnces for the lies. Feminism firmly is convinced that the "patriachy" is the root of almost all societal, but most certainly of all feminist problems. Feminism dosn't even give room to discuss this. The hate towards feminism is nothing but the reaction of people who's live expiriences don't allign with the partially false narrative they recklessly enforce. Feminism is systemically being supported and there are countless capitalistic motivations to push feminist Ideologies.

Now when MRA directly contradicts to a feminist theory, thats when things start clashing and since feminism is being considered as 100% empirically right, that means MRA must be 100% wrong. That is why MRA is being labled as nothing but an Incel space and all misandry issues are being dismissed without giving it any thought. Isn't it understandable that this leads to frustration and neglect towards feminism?

ElisaSKy · 2024-08-22T05:02:51+00:00

The short answer?

When you believe in the experimentally disproven notion that men favor other men over women, it will come with the secondary assumptions (that is equally disproven experimentally) that men will be more tolerant of male on female abuse than the reverse. And as more and more contradiction emerges, each will require convoluted explanation that will raise more contradictions to bury the earlier ones. This leads very easily into conspiratorial mindsets.. And then you get the bad faith actors. The ones whom are very well aware that they are exploiting men's greater compassion towards women than other men while claiming it doesn't exist. Anyone presenting counterevidence is threatening all that.

And then we look at this mess, and after gettintg called every name in the book, threatened, defamed, doxxed, etc... because you just want that time you were raped by a woman to be legally acknowledged, well what do you know. We may not have started the fire, but it certainly can be easy to get caught in it.

throwawayaccount8189 · 2024-08-22T15:21:35+00:00

Source your information from places other than reddit, too. If you are able to, then contact organizations in your area, or even outside your area.

Reddit, whilst popular, is still only one of many places on the internet and not representative of either the MRA nor the feminist spaces and the people within those. People tend to behave differently when on the internet.

TheCaptainwicked · 2024-08-22T16:14:10+00:00

Because

I have seen many misogynist male who think asking for female rights is misandry.

I have seen thousands of feminist(almost all who are online) who openly believe male rights are equal to opposing female rights.

Most feminist use rxpe a weapon to Gaslight males in believing that asking for equal treatment is misogyny.

Which is far from truth.

Is rxpe a disgusting crime?

Most definitely yes and yes rapist deserve harshest punished possible.

But does that has anything to do with false rape?

I see a female committing suicide because of rape and a male committing suicide because of fake rape.

Why is it that it is morally wrong to demand justice for later?

Feminist openly say if want fake rape accuser to be punished then you are supporting rape.

makeumadd · 2024-08-22T19:33:21+00:00

My friend, men's rights activists are majority acting in self defence. All we wish for is to be listened to and at least have an attempt at being understood instead of just attacked and belittled.

Feminism on the other hand is quite literally the problem and always have been, they've accomplished some good things for sure but ever since the first days of feminism it has been a man hating supremacy group and if anyone took the time to research documents from the first wave you'd see they were disguising feminism as equality when it was never meant to be so.

Cassie Jaye was a former feminist who set out to make a documentary on how terrible mra's were but instead came to find everything she was told was a lie.

Erin Pizzey is a former feminist as well who even created the first domestic violence shelter for women in Europe, but she almost instantly saw the abuse and hate towards men and decided feminism wasn't equality and changed to be a men's rights activist.

Janice Fiamengo is an English professor who breaks down all of feminism in her Fiamengo files series.

I recommend checking all these people out for the actual truth on the matter. Censorship has become so rampant that facts and statistics are hidden from sight, which is exactly why all this hasn't been ended by now.

Small_League2786 · 2024-08-22T17:42:49+00:00

If you’re actually researching this then you would know why the men’s rights movement was created in the first place and have your answer there. Feminism and men’s liberation work just fine together.

PhulHouze · 2024-08-22T20:05:25+00:00

First I want to thank you for taking time to learn more about Men’s Rights instead of going by the BS in mass media, Wikipedia, SPLC, etc.

But in order to understand these movements, you have to realize they are both loose conglomerations of diverse individuals rather than parties with specific platforms.

Personally, I don’t feel hostility towards all feminists; at the same time, many seem to define feminism as “resistance to the patriarchy,” which I find to be a pretty ridiculous way to frame the role of sex in our society. I’m aligned with some feminists, such as JK Rowling, on keeping women’s spaces and sports for women.

But there are certainly members of MRA who seem outright hostile towards all women. My feeling is that men receive more hostility overall from society, as perception in the general public has shifted from an idea that men are valued because of our contributions to society to where we are reviled as oppressors. The reason for that shift does seem to be tied to the influence of Marxists on higher ed and mass media.

Tabopo · 2024-08-23T18:16:30+00:00

MRA is fairly recent, so there are many low hanging fruit, that is legal and government policy that explicitly discriminates against men, or disparities with huge effect sizes (like sentencing for the same crime).

As such it resembles more second wave feminism. Third wave feminism was not about clear and evident prejudice and discrimination. In some cases it was a reasonable attempt and ensuring more enforcement in laws, but otherwise it was mostly deliberately pushing social engineering, that is women CEOs and men doing housework. Regardless of whether the social engineering is good or bad (of course here we generally believe more the latter), it's just a fundamentally different paradigm, and also why men are gravitating right wing or libertarian and women left wing in politics, generally it is active government influence that is doing the misandry.

Title	Human Rights Activist (for both men and women) here with a question
Author	Competitive-Carob-10
Upvotes	37
Comments	47
Date	August 22, 2024 1:46 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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