How to win men's votes without backing down on women's rights

Global-Bluejay-3577 · 2024-10-03T15:47:15+00:00

Why can't anyone ever just say something nice about men and not anything negative? I think literally almost every article has to go into depth about the crime gap with absolutely no nuance and reasoning why it's like that (men being the provider for the family, vast of homeless, men have no DV shelters, men are often manipulated by others in order to do their dirty work,etc.)

You wonder why men are turning away from you? It's because you see men as something they are not. To them men are animals. No one is treating young men well. If I have heard trans men say they don't stick around leftist spaces and have gone to conservative spaces, you REALLY fucked up. It also shows the problem is a misandry one

Professional-You2968 · 2024-10-03T11:07:45+00:00

Appeal to men by letting men know that the US is committed to strengthen an already lethal army?

Is this satire?

It sounds like yet another set of ideas to manipulate men.

CoachDT · 2024-10-03T18:28:12+00:00

Its very simple.

Stop making men the punching bags, actually address what's going on with them. You can do both, and the idea that you have to worry about not backing down on women's rights to address men in itself is backwards.

When you speak to women about things that impact them, you don't speak to them in a way that centers men because that's stripping agency from them and selling them short. So speaking to men about things that impacts them should be the same.

Men are falling behind heavily in education in terms of graduation rates and also suffer grading bias' from teachers starting from an early age, they're struggling with high rates of suicide, they're struggling with a lack of purpose and feeling of abandonment, and so much more. Just speak to them about it. Keeping up with the idea of "a real man does X (in this case a real man will vote for a woman)" is beyond moronic and its made by someone who's purpose isn't to speak to young men, but to show women how much he's willing to support them.

EL_overthetransom · 2024-10-03T13:30:45+00:00

The problem isn't issues, it's that everyone everywhere gleefully shits on males at every opportunity. All they have to do is stop it. But they won't. People will forget what you say, they will forget what you do, but they will never forget how you made them feel.

SvitlanaLeo · 2024-10-03T11:50:33+00:00

Stop fear words “misandry” and “men's rights”. Or women will vote for Trump if they hear this? Ah, the majority of voting white women do that already.

HumansDisgustMe123 · 2024-10-03T11:13:02+00:00

Ultimately, I don't think the problem is that men tend to lean more towards the Republican party, but rather that people of all genders tend to lean more towards whoever pays them attention. Trump won 2016 because countless people in rural communities and across the rust-belt felt completely ignored by the political status quo. He was able to win the votes of women, POCs and queer folk despite the fact that his personality, beliefs and behaviour are clearly at odds with what these groups want. The Democrats have paid a hell of a lot of lip-service to these groups and their issues, occasionally even taking steps to enact meaningful change, but there hasn't even been a whisper of men's issues, such as the disproportionate rate of homelessness, workplace accidents, and endemic court bias in criminal cases and divorce proceedings.

As a society we often look back to the past and wonder how could such terrible atrocities like WW2 happen? How did someone as repulsive as Hitler become chancellor of Germany? It couldn't possibly have been due to the majority of the German electorate genuinely believing that the Jewish people, the Romani, the queer, the disabled and anyone non-aryan should be exterminated, and yet Hitler's party was democratically elected, so how did it happen? Are we to believe the majority of the electorate were just as evil and twisted as him? No, of course not. There were certainly many people who allowed the atrocities of WW2 to occur, it wasn't the doing of a single man but a concentrated effort of many, but to say 51%> of the electorate wanted these atrocities to happen would be insane, so the question is, how did the party get elected? The answer is simple. Cognitive dissonance, exactly the same cognitive dissonance we see today that allows religious fundamentalists and working class individuals giving their support to a narcissistic orange billionaire who seems to spend his time speed-running every sin in the Bible and grifting the poor at every opportunity with gold sneakers and NFTs. A reasonable person can see the obvious logical conflict, but these people block it out, because feeling like your politician is listening to you means a hell of a lot more to most people than anything else a politician can do.

I don't believe the majority of Republicans believe in what Trump believes, I don't think half of the American electorate is that stupid or hateful, but history has been clear time and time again that the electorate comparatively doesn't care about integrity, planning or meaningful change anywhere near as much as they care about feeling like someone is looking after them, just the feeling of it, not anything measurable. If Democrats want to win the male vote, then they need to pay men's issues at least some lip-service.

jessi387 · 2024-10-03T15:44:45+00:00

This idea that women’s rights are in jeopardy is a joke. Can we focus on the fact that men have very few rights at all ?

Necessary_Soft_7519 · 2024-10-04T05:44:38+00:00

You can address mens issues without mentioning women at all. High suicide rates, low graduation rates, and worse retention nrwtes with employees are all factors working against men that can be addressed without any references to women's struggles at all. But that would require people to actually address men as people with problems instead of people as problems, so it will never happen.

NotJeromeStuart · 2024-10-03T14:06:00+00:00

I had a good long talk with a random guy last night who agreed that Kamala would be great for American culture but feared her stances on immigration and taxes. This does not address either of those issues and you will not be winning him over.

Vegetable_Camera50 · 2024-10-03T13:56:11+00:00

Try to tell them how women that issues are the result of male gender roles and traditional masculinity being forced on men.

Want less women being catcall or approached on the street. Let's make a society where men whole self worth and masculinity is not based on their success with approaching random women on the street.

You want women to stop going back to abusers. Get rid of the "women are wonderful" effect. That portrays women as more nurturing. Therefore they can fix the abusers.

You want women to not be reduced to their biology when it comes to birth. Get rid of the idea that a woman is some type of special magical being for being able to give birth..

You want women to not be reduced to their bodies. Then stop promoting women using sex as a tool, to manipulate men and as a form of female empowerment.

Similar to how "feminism can help men too". this is my "Left Male Advocates can help women too" movement lol. The only difference is I'm actually serious and it's not just a fake slogan.

griii2 · 2024-10-03T20:28:08+00:00

I will just save this link from the article

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30206941/

Low_Rich_5436 · 2024-10-04T08:16:18+00:00

Because politics is about winning, not defending causes you believe in. Just pick whatever you think will get you one more percentage point in polling and voila ! this is your position now.

Infestedwithnormies · 2024-10-03T11:27:23+00:00

As a life-long rabid progressive: I gave up. I no longer plan on voting, and I live in a battleground state.

Blauwpetje · 2024-10-09T15:08:52+00:00

I wrote about this book several times on this sub. It is a lot more interesting, concrete and honest than all the semi-misandrist drivel about ‘why men are so conservative’. https://www.amazon.com/How-Democrats-Can-Back-Understanding/dp/B0D8CRPT6F/

ChuckDanger-PI · 2024-10-03T10:47:27+00:00

Sorry for yet another article on gender political differences, but thought this article was very interesting, particularly in looking at specific non-social issues as well as proscribing possible solutions for Democrats.

Tiny-Phone4494 · 2024-10-04T14:09:28+00:00

Transgenderism is feminist backfiring.

Title	How to win men's votes without backing down on women's rights
Author	ChuckDanger-PI
Upvotes	28
Comments	48
Date	October 3, 2024 10:46 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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