Let's say you are put in charge of writing the Democrats' agenda for winning the male vote

wohodude1000 · 2024-11-06T16:20:57+00:00

Not going to pretend like I'm an expert on politics or policies, but here's a few ideas from the top of my head:

Paternal abortions- the equalizing of abortion rights between men and women. Women have the right to terminate a pregnancy. Men also have the right to terminate their relationship and status as a father, that they give up all rights that they have as a parent to the child

End of male circumcision- as a society we can easily see how female circumcision is abhorrent, yet we have blinders and even people justifying why male circumcision is okay when it is genital mutilation and should be ended, should not be mandatory performed when male children are way younger than the age of consent

Equal funding of feminist groups and male advocacy groups- right now the feminists have a much greater say and funding, the Duluth model as well as gynocentric view is the only one represented in large government organizations such as national organization for women as well as classes taught in universities and majority of shelters are woman only. I advocate that all government funding spent towards gender issues should be split equally

Enforcement and end of female only spaces- just like we do not tolerate male only spaces and see this as inherently sexist, we need to do what the feminists claim that feminism is just about equality and actually enforce that. Women's only universities such as Wellesley College and female only gyms such as Lucille Roberts should be seen as no different than private male only clubs

Equal participation in the draft/selective service- I am generally opposed to armed conflict, that diplomacy is a better option. But as it stands if we are going to have a selective service draft, then it should be applied equally to both men and women

Reform of gender politics and education- growing up I was taught "don't put your hands on other people" and "violence is wrong", but when a female was the violent aggressor, then I was always laughed at as the male victim, and if I was trying to protect myself from getting assaulted, I was punished with the usual garbage "men are supposed to protect women! You don't ever hit a woman!" This should be changed to "everyone, men/women/non-binary should keep their damn hands to themselves and should not hit anyone." And men and women should equally be punished if they violate this rule. I believe if we can eradicate this stupid double standard from our societal consciousness, eradicate this stupid myth of how all girls are "sugar and spice and all things nice" and instead replaced that with "women are human beings just like you and me, capable of both good and evil and all human flaws" then hopefully this would translate into better enforcement of equality, such as how women get a free pass harassing men, especially with sexual harassment and female pedophiles in schools

SpicyMarshmellow · 2024-11-06T17:45:35+00:00

Drop the culture war. Distance themselves from it every way they can. I don't even think the majority of people who abstain or vote conservative are doing so based on policy platforms anymore. I think they're doing so based on culture war. Culture war has essentially swallowed politics whole. I think in today's world, a progressive policy platform that manages to avoid association with the toxic aspects of progressive culture could win in a landslide. But people aren't going to vote for a party that openly hates them based on their cultural world view and lifestyle, or in the case of men, especially cis white men, their accidents of birth.

Weegemonster5000 · 2024-11-06T16:59:15+00:00

Oh man, it is so easy!

Reach out to boys in education. Tell them to be teachers and doctors. An ad campaign in the schools is so cheap and effective.

Paid parental leave. If this comes in the door with both parents getting time off, then that shows we are a priority. If they let them negotiate us out, then we knew they never valued us.

Infrastructure. Men work 40 hours per week or so on average. Women work less than 30. Men get way more use out of infrastructure and way more jobs building it. Get some real plans and investors for those plans. I would eat an entire village of baby coatimundis for that plan to be completed high speed rail by 2040. That would create permanent good jobs and pressure air lines to provide real service.

Three things that are all easy to promote! All of them popular!

Tvcypher · 2024-11-06T20:39:16+00:00

It needs to start with messaging. They need to start being okay with including men publicly in communication and get over the "eww Icky boys" shit. Just be willing to say that young men and boys have areas where we as a people are not serving them well enough. Then create at least a council on helping men and boys (not FIXING men and boys BTW). Put some actual funding and words behind the idea that men matter. Not fathers or sons, not black brown or green men. Just men. I am not going to pretend men have it infinitely worse but at least be willing to say that there are ways in which we treat men that are not okay and we can be better.

Spitballing here,

End mandatory child support for children concieved through rape and statutory rape.

Include women in draft registration. Lets be honest it is a glaring inequality and an easy fix.

Mandate gender neutrality of scholarships in higher education.

Create easier paths into trades and fund apprenticeship programs.

Fund and encourage paths for men to recover from substance abuse and non violent criminal offences that avoid felony records if completed.

Create a retirement differential that is based on longevity by gender. Allow men to retire early as long as they are not living as long. This should encourage local governments and business to work together to fix the disparity.

Stop publicly using the wage gap statistics as if they ever apply in the way they are used. They simply don't.

Make laws about child genital cutting gender neutral. If your religion requires it then you have to wait until you are a legal adult end of discussion.

Fund and make available at birth a private paternity test for any man that requests it before they assume legal responsibility for a child.

Mandate gender neutrality in sentencing for identical crimes. Or collect and publish the disparity rate of any judges outside a certain envelope.

Require schools to maintain a reasonable gender balance of teachers at all levels of education.

Mandate shared custody in divorce cases by default. Claims of abuse or harm may not be brought up in family court unless there is a conviction on file.

End gendered bills around domestic violence. Study it as a problem and work to provide resources that are gender neutral by design.

All the above would be great but I know it wont happen. Maybe just stop using us as a boogie man for every problem in society. Treat us as a group as any other group. If there is an issue within our group do not tar us all with it and help us work to fix it. In those areas where we shine be willing to say so publicly.

I've said it elsewhere I believe in general the left has more to offer men as a group. Just the same if you share your lunch with me every day but call me a jerk I will eventually go sit with the guy that is bumming off me but calls me a hero.

EL_overthetransom · 2024-11-06T18:13:33+00:00

For me the draft is the main issue. It's pretty symbolic of the whole 'equality...but only for the good bits' hypocrisy. Fixing that puts a lot of other things in focus.

WanabeInflatable · 2024-11-06T18:34:07+00:00

Promise economy growth and job creation, not welfare. How to do it - this is a good question. But economy first.

Return to the concept of equality and gender blindness. Officially distance from any forms of affirmative action and DEI.

Officially state that misandry is as evil as misogyny. Maybe throw under bus people who object. There should be some political show to make people really believe that blue team changes - some reactionaries must go and there should be a scandal.

Recognize discrimination of boys in education. Promise some changes that are not DEI based. No need for quotas for boys. Address the root causes not statistics.

Change the application of Title IX to encourage due process and get rid of Duluth model in handling domestic violence.

eli_ashe · 2024-11-06T18:11:27+00:00

said my piece on this here, you know, why dudes split from the left, i appreciate OP's point tho. expressing what we want gives folks a clue as to how to go about things.

bitchin bout it aint gonna deal with it.

broadly, addressing the issues with the 451 percenters as noted here, the shameful puritanical and sex negative hot takes on sexual violence that fuel fascistic and authoritarian rhetoric. policy wise this is as simply as changing the CDCs bs lies bout the topic, sticking to the criminal data when discussing the issues rather than inflating the number and hence creating hysteria around men (which gets men killed, harassed online, and fuels any number of racist and xenophobic hot takes).

imho, this is the single most effective thing to improve the lives of men and really everyone else too that the dems could possibly due.

prosecute the misandristic online hate groups, like AWDTSG and so called red flag groups. these groups are committing crimes every day, see here for what those crimes are, but essentially harassment, and a host of cyber crimes. prosecuting crimes against men ought be basic, but hey, here we are. people just openly committing crimes on the daily against men, and being celebrated for it.

fix family law. there are so many issues with family law that remove the father from the family that its quite sickening. default 50/50 custody, prosecute DV cases where women are the perps, give men a voice in determining if to have a family, stop supporting the bullshit claims that women make in divorces that slanders men such that they arent allowed to see their kids. ithere likely other aspects there. these are so basic they ought be no brainers too.

i mean, duh, tearing fathers away from their own kids a problem, no shit people. but here we are, with a host of women and feministas fighting that.

ElectronicDiscount11 · 2024-11-06T16:36:20+00:00

I stayed home because I see more hope in the possibility of a bat shit fascist destroying the government than I do in the relative certainty of the ultra wealthy slowly bleeding me out. This could turn out very, very badly, but at least there's a chance for something acceptable 10-20 years down the road. The Democratic elites and their middle class supporters don't have any new ideas or solutions. I don't have much to lose, and I no longer care about a country that has always told me to shut up and stop complaining. I will be told what to want in what order, and if I don't, I'm a racist and a sexist. The party can't learn or innovate, but if they lose enough, they can be replaced. The stakes are high enough to warrant the gamble.

flaumo · 2024-11-06T19:27:55+00:00

More positive role models for men. Yesterday I was thinking about being child free and was searching for documentaries on Youtube. It was all „These female artists are strong and childfree“ or „These five independent women talk about being childfree“. Also I often see these really inspiring biographies of women, that get cheered on and pushed, I rarely see men being celebrated for being men. One of my biggest inspirations ended up being a women, Alyn Saks, but I really lack gender specific role models.

Paper abortions would be a good starting point as well. One of my partners committed reproductive rape against me, and I want equal rights.

An end to kangaroo courts on college campuses would also be good.

Campaigns that specifically make male victims of domestics and sexual violence visible. It is not uncommon, if you look at the conflict tactic scale research.

Mustard_The_Colonel · 2024-11-06T21:02:45+00:00

Equalise parental rights. No automatic mother having priority. In the event of relationship ending kids are by law default 50-50 split unless stated otherwise by court. Courts should be free for that and there should be stated issue layers supporting with it like you would be given state defence attorney.

Equal parental leave. If your partner give birth both men and women should be given equal parental leave by law. Forbid companies from favouritism. If company by law gives 1 year maternity leave as benefit it must now by law give 1 year parental leave to dads.

Support investment in investigation into men mental health services designed from grounds up to address men issues. At the moment we try to retrofit men into services designed historically for female demographic it isn't working.

Support creation of support services for men and young boys fostering connections and learning. Every school should have a boys club just like they have girls clubs.

Support worker rights and improve health and safety regulation. Men do most dangerous jobs our there they need support and protection.

Would be good start.

Change rhetoric from we need to protect women and girls to we need to ensure everyone is safe. Change rhetoric from all men are sexist to majority of men are not sexist and oppose abuse of women let's work together on creating environments in which both men and women flourish.

Do not campaign on "being a woman". You are presidential candidate your gender shouldn't matter your policies should.

enjoycarrots · 2024-11-07T03:36:00+00:00

Lean hard into pro-labor positions and make raising wages the number one campaign issue. Tie all other issues into that specific issue. Let that advertising and messaging on those issues be primarily male-coded. Sure, those policies don't only help men, but they are issues that will connect with male demographics and majority male professions that currently feel ignored by the Democratic Party.

Support government offices for men's health and other "Men's ____" issues to mirror offices and programs in place for women. Those offices don't have to be equivalent in their scope or priorities, but just having them exist would send a positive message.

Reform selective service to be gender neutral and less punishing for those who, for whatever reason, don't register.

Explicitly make the crisis of male education a priority, and do so in a way that doesn't blame men for the education system failing them.

Don't shy away from supporting LGBT rights, but don't let that messaging take an anti-male slant. This one is difficult, because the right works double-overtime to associate pro-LGBT anything with anti-Male as if they are synonymous. I'm not sure the best way to counter that narrative from a messaging perspective -- but finding the answer to that question would be a campaigning priority.

There are a few other issues I would like to see part of a major party platform, but I don't think would be smart politically, such as male circumcision.

WokeUpIAmStillAlive · 2024-11-07T09:47:17+00:00

The democratic party is largely composed of feminist that seemingly hate men, they all don't but it's what most interaction feels like. As long as it feels this way and feminism and patriarchy are at war they will only continue to lose men. If they don't care about men, men will not care about them. We will eventually disengage with them, until they are upset that we ignore them. When that happens they will either continue in hate or eventually ask why we hate them... the answer is that we don't but we simply won't stay where we are not welcome. Feminism has to change or even end and they have to quit acting like they are fighting the patriarchy. It isn't a gender war it is a class war... and subversion.

AMetal0xide · 2024-11-07T14:09:15+00:00

Honestly, I don't know at this point. I think that the damage is irreparable. Progressives clearly don't want to meaningfully work with men in any way other than men being an "ally" (aka fight for my issues while I ignore yours). The men who went to the right as a result, I can't see coming back so long as progressives don't want to meaningfully engage with men's issues. I'm not feeling too good at the moment mental-health wise, but currently, I just think it's over and nothing can be done anymore.

Status_West_7673 · 2024-11-06T16:19:03+00:00

Democrats loss had nothing to do with their position on male issues in the slightest. They lost because Trump energizes the fuck out of dumb people and got them to vote. The vast majority of college educated people voted Harris. The issue is stupid people and Trumps ability to attract them.

MistakingLeeDone · 2024-11-06T17:32:41+00:00

Why are we asking Democrats? Why is no expectation placed on what Republicans and what they could do or do we all agree that is a dead end.

Title	Let's say you are put in charge of writing the Democrats' agenda for winning the male vote
Author	ZealousidealCrazy393
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Date	November 6, 2024 7:01 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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