Does red pill work if your ugly?

Darth_Pete · 2014-05-19T21:56:11+00:00

redpill can't "work or not work", it's a way of seeing the world. TRP tells you that being ugly is a disadvantage, and will lower your value. But there are other ways to raise it. On the other hand, it's worth making yourself a better man even without women as a reward

jobs33ker · 2014-05-19T22:49:04+00:00

The question is, do you think being a blue piller would be better if you're ugly?

Piroko · 2014-05-19T19:37:45+00:00

Yes.

The point of red pill is that, in evaluating men, power IS beauty.

An ugly, scarred face... that somehow still wields power and commands respect from others, is attractive.

Think of it like this: women do not perceive beauty like we do. Their social senses allow them to perceive the flow of authority respect and power as easily as we can gauge hot or not.

2014-05-20T00:08:34+00:00

I dunno. Do girls fuck fat, old, rich, and ugly men?

I think so.

Basically, get your SMV up. Ooze confidence like a sponge. And you'll attract the filth that is modern woman to you like flies on a carcass.

As a man, power is everything.

Doctor_Mayhem · 2014-05-19T22:09:09+00:00

Just lift weights, learn martial arts, do steroids, get jacked, then get into a few fights. Good fights. Grow a beard, shave your head, get into few more fights.

I noticed that if you got an ugly mug, you get jacked then double down on the ugly by building some scars.

By the time you're done with that program, people won't describe you as "ugly" you'll be described as "rugged" and "scary"

"A man is like a bear. The more repulsive, the more attractive." - Spanish proverb.

ekjohnson9 · 2014-05-19T22:06:29+00:00

That's sort of like saying "does the dictionary work if you can't swim?"

IMO TRP is like anything in life. You get out what you put in. Spend your time advancing your career, working out, talking to people and enjoying yourself? TRP works.

Spend your time in the rage threads, skipping leg day and chilling with the same retards at that lame bar you go to? Doesn't work so well does it?

JP_Whoregan · 2014-05-19T20:13:27+00:00

Women evaluate men based on four principle factors:

Looks
Social proof
Personality
Money

You can overcompensate for deficiencies in one area by overcompensating in other areas. This is why rich, old, ugly men can have sex with 20-something beautiful mistresses.

draketton · 2014-05-19T19:48:51+00:00

being deformed is a much easier burden to bear than being short

exit_sandman · 2014-05-19T21:20:38+00:00

Try to find a style that fits.

A skinny pale guy with a big nose may look like a piece of modern art. The same guy who puts on at least some stringy muscles, lets his hair grow and get some skull tats looks like the leader of a dark cult and may at least pull some hot goth chicks.

Just an example, don't know what suits you best.

cray-cray-cray · 2014-05-19T20:30:41+00:00

It probably works disproportionately better if you're an ugly dude. Here's why:

Frame, passing shit tests, dominance, powertalk, leading, etc, etc... all of those things have little to do with physical beauty.

Granted, it's a little harder if you're ugly in the sense that you'll be slightly behind someone who has all of the same qualities, that is a tad better looking.

Lifting? Well, mostly, nobody is going to the gym to improve their face.

Imagine being a truly ugly girl... that's where a person has a serious problem. Even then, there's a lot they can do to make themselves more attractive if they're willing to try.

Thinking of swallowing

Wrong approach, though. You have to conclude that you believe the ideology has merit, through science or personal experience. The former can be found, and you have to find the latter yourself.

SkorchZang · 2014-05-19T22:15:52+00:00

If you think that's ugly in the mirror, wait till you swallow the red pill and reflect upon western women...

mrTang5544 · 2014-05-19T21:04:03+00:00

if this seriously holding your mentality back then go to south korea and get a plastic surgery to fix your mug

a_chill_bro · 2014-05-20T01:05:53+00:00

Lifting and "being alpha" will always be better than being overweight and beta. Always.

eccentricrealist · 2014-05-19T19:49:31+00:00

Fuck, to think of all the girls I've seen with ugly fuckbuddies or boyfriends. One of my former plates is dating this guy whose face seems like it was pulled out of the garbage disposal. The pill works.

RedSunBlue · 2014-05-19T22:27:24+00:00

An ugly dude plus tom ford suits and muscle is Daniel Craig.

kick6 · 2014-05-19T20:04:45+00:00

I'm 5'9", have been upwards of 230 lbs of don't-even-lift, and have a guido nose. I've still managed to smash 20+ berginers. They weren't all tens, mind you, but I've had a plenty of 7s and 8s.

This certainly didn't happen because I was a pussy-begging beta...

DarkSayed · 2014-05-19T22:21:44+00:00

Thinking of swallowing

This doesn't make much sense. Swallowing the red pill means seeing reality for what it is. You have probably already done that. Becoming an alpha is something else altogether.

Being alpha, and swallowing the red pill are naturally tied together, but they are different things. One is opening your eyes to reality around you, and the other is about actively changing yourself to become something better.

What you mean to say is that you are thinking of doing the latter.

I Myself, for example, very much uphold TRP views, but am a beta.

pushuptonofap · 2014-05-20T01:23:20+00:00

You need TRP more than a good looking guy. You NEED this

leftajar · 2014-05-19T21:23:52+00:00

That's like saying, "I'm really really skinny with small bones, will lifting weights still work?"

Yes it'll work; truth is truth. Whether you're a huge beast or a little dude, you still want to use the correct training approach.

Similarly, whether you're a 6'2" male model or you look like Golum, you will still benefit from an accurate understanding of women and dating.

indomara · 2014-05-20T02:58:46+00:00

Female checking in here: I have fucked physically unattractive dudes simply because they were confident, enjoyable to be around, and I needed to get laid.

Personality, confidence, and carriage trump physical beauty.

Axotl · 2014-05-19T19:34:00+00:00

It works for everyone. You could be Quasimodo and if you're TRP-aware you will succeed. It's the inherent consequence of striving to be the best person you can be.

RPthrowaway123 · 2014-05-20T02:58:32+00:00

I've seen downright ass ugly guys get girls before. So yes, it does count against you. But no, it isn't insurmountable!

Buchloe · 2014-05-20T12:23:39+00:00

"thinking of swallowing" the pill, but you're not sure because you're ugly doesn't really make sense..

slcjosh · 2014-05-20T17:25:44+00:00

Think about it from a biological standpoint. We as men have certain things we look for in a women. Titties, ass, nice face, good legs, is she completely insane or just sort of crazy and irrational. These are things we look for in a mate, our biology tells us what we are attracted too. (for the most part).

Women are a bit different. If you are in great shape and have the characteristics of a leader, and the type of man people would listen to during an apocalyptic event, then you can get your fuck on. Its in their biology as much as it is in ours to find the most successful mate. If you are "ugly", but are still a dominating force, you will give her the pussy tickles.

Marsupian · 2014-05-19T23:28:53+00:00

It depends on what you mean by "does the red pill work". The red pill is some dudes trying to get an accurate picture of reality and through that find out how to effectively achieve their goals (focused on sexual strategy).

The consensus is that if you are ugly you won't be successful. However you can still improve the way you look and behave to increase how attractive you are and therefor increase your success.

Giving up is the easy option. Getting under the bar, improve your appearance and change your attitude and the way you interact with the world is the hard option.

We can't tell you if it'll be worth it. Only one way to find out.

Spiderman48 · 2014-05-20T01:10:07+00:00

Tyler from Real Social Dynamics is an average to belowe average height, balding ginger, who is not muscular (Although he isn't fat either). He destroys most of the other pickup artists at RSD, and they themselves are swimming in women.

Some infield footage of him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x27wabHGCac

ColdEiric · 2014-05-19T20:59:04+00:00

Truth is always valuable. Doesn't matter what's wrong, any valuable thing you have got, is to be used, if you want to get ahead.

2014-05-20T02:38:03+00:00

It makes life more tolerable to understand the way that the world works. But you will always have to work harder at everything than if you were attractive, despite what some attractive people on here will try to tell you.

One__upper__ · 2014-05-20T11:00:00+00:00

The red pill works especially well - and is especially essential - if you are ugly.

Being ugly sucks dick. I used to be ugly. Then, before RP was even around, I decided to offset my ugliness by dressing nice, working out, eating chicken and brocolli, using natural facial shit like tea tree oil on my face, getting a nice tan, and deciding that since I was ugly, I would just work harder to be more secure in myself. Like if a girl said I was fat, I'd be like, "nah, girl, a bunch of lobster and champagne made this belly. It's a victory belly, if you're nice you can cuddle it or something for luck."

That was the red pill for me. I'd say I moved from like a 4-8 in two years of hard work, learning attractive body language, getting reasonably buff, etc. It worked for this ugly dude before TRP came into existence. It can work for you. The question is, can you work for it?

Because make no mistake, it's an uphill battle - it will only work for you if you are willing to force it to happen. The initial months of learning game by approaching before you have yet to make progress in the appearance department, they will be brutal.

6TLaRm4g · 2014-05-20T11:29:52+00:00

I'm pretty ugly too, and even though for me red pill didn't get any women, at least I don't think about them anymore, so it's still better than being blue pill and being pathetic.

wall-of-meth · 2014-05-20T15:17:20+00:00

Is it worth to take 100k $ for free? Bet my ass it is.

You need to invest a lot of work into yourself and self improvement, but compared to what you get from it, it will blow your mind.

Another thought for you:

Why would you consider being a low value person over being a high value person? It only has disadvantages and the only thing holding you back is laziness and doubt. There is a reason you envy those motherfuckers who bang girls all day. They have power, you can get power, too.

2014-05-20T16:05:51+00:00

Define "ugly". Unlike chicks, most of men's looks aren't set in stone. If you dress really well and are in great shape you'll be ahead of 90% of the guys out there.

femmefatale1 · 2014-05-20T16:22:43+00:00

Yes. However, you won't land a 9 or 10 just because you use a red pill. The Red Pill will help you date higher up and, most importantly, insures you can actually keep a girls interest. Your SMV still matters though.

PlanB_pedofile · 2014-05-20T17:33:38+00:00

There's 24yr hb7 riding passenger with a chunky balding 35 man in his Mercedes.

Let that sink in

ashglass · 2014-05-20T17:34:38+00:00

What if you're an ugly woman?

RedBigMan · 2014-05-20T20:39:51+00:00

Realize that as a man looks are less important than confidence and success...

You can be a pretty damn ugly motherfucker but if you are confident and successful women will overlook your lack of looks. There's nothing that makes pussy dry as the sahara desert faster than a guy with no confidence.

Lifting is a means to improve your SMV. Just lifting alone can make most guys from a 4-5 to maybe a 6-7. Throw in game, confidence and the like and you can go from a 4-5 to a 8-9...

BroseppeVerdi · 2014-05-20T21:35:46+00:00

The short answer is: Yes. If you're a 2 right now, you might be a 5 or a 6 if you're swole as fuck and wearing some nice clothes. Having an ugly face is a handicap, sure... but not as much as you might think. I'd wager that there are a lot of guys here who don't have exceptionally attractive faces and still do quite well for themselves.

vengefully_yours · 2014-05-21T03:57:51+00:00

Attitude, bearing, frame, and game can get you quite a ways. You never know, you could look better as you age like I have. Steve Buscemi gets female attention and dude is so ugly gargoyle would be an upgrade. If he can do it, you can too.

asd1100 · 2014-05-23T09:25:18+00:00

Yes, if you have the body of hercules, most women won't notice your face.

If you are fun and playfull most women will enjoy your company.

If you have your life put toghether most women will want to date you.

You will strike out exclusively in a meat market where looks are the main qualifier, like high end clubs. So don't put yourself in situations where you start of with a disadvantage.

updock · 2014-05-19T23:09:27+00:00

Can an ugly celebrity still get women?

<answer: yes>

VZPurp · 2014-05-20T18:16:48+00:00

It's a tough call. Are you actually ugly? Or do you think you're uglier than you actually are? Do women think you're ugly or repulsive? Are you getting rejected by most women?

Two problems come with self-assessment:

1) Your mental state influences how you judge yourself. People who are self-limiting constantly assess themselves lower, to the point where they can be wildly off from reality. The complete lack of self-confidence is far more repulsive than your face.

2) You are not female. Women assess men differently, and men assess women differently. We don't use the same standards. There are some areas where we overlap but they still end up manifesting themselves asymmetrically.

The only way to find out what your chances are is to take the risk and put yourself out there. No matter what your position.

Most people can improve their circumstances, but prefer not to because it's comfortable and they're afraid.

eLZhi · 2014-05-19T20:57:30+00:00

you can only increase your chances if you embrace the "red pill" way and lift, also you'll become a better man, so its a win-win, you've got nothing to lose.

-Tyler_Durden- · 2014-05-21T02:45:13+00:00

Does the theory of gravity work if you're ugly?

Title	Does red pill work if your ugly?
Author	bobmarley9
Upvotes	47
Comments	98
Date	May 19, 2014 7:23 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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