Kirk situation.

tilldeathdoiparty · 2025-09-13T03:56:32+00:00

What happened was awful, we should be able to disagree and say things with out repercussion of violence or prosecution.

To me, that is all free speech is, the right to have a different opinion. There is routinely disagreement on this sub, we say things to each other, but I wouldn’t take it beyond ‘what an idiot’.

I don’t care about your beliefs, sex, race, background or future plans, you have every right to disagree with me, I won’t fight you if you don’t fight me.

I can’t wrap my head around people actually celebrating this event like it’s a good thing, I fear what is next.

Suspicious-Sleep5227 · 2025-09-13T04:36:38+00:00

I completely agree. I have never shunned people because I disagree with their politics. But most people I meet cannot say the same. In fact it is absolutely essential that people of differing beliefs have a dialogue and do everything they can to maintain that dialogue. That’s where the best ideas come from.

Express-Economist-86 · 2025-09-13T08:16:30+00:00

Remember when we used to have the stones to tell people we’d fight for their right to say stuff we disagreed with?

For one thing, I like candid people, I don’t want them afraid to say something wrong so they can’t be themselves, I want genuine.

For another, if it’s legit a bad idea, it’s good to hear others views on our ideas

SmileWhenItHurts76 · 2025-09-13T04:53:22+00:00

I actually am grateful for your post. My family are all educated with degrees and practice medicine or teach at colleges. (Except me). While I normally enjoy political discourse with them since we see things so differently but with what happened to Charlie...I'm shocked. I'm 31, enjoy guns, and think differently than them. When I pointed out that would mean I deserve to die too or I have it coming they just nodded. I couldn't ever imagine such foolishness from my own family.

Top_Row_5116 · 2025-09-13T04:34:20+00:00

"But Jesus, as an atheist..." ok that made me laugh. Past that though, if you hear anyone say that anyone deserves to die, dismiss them immediately. I didnt agree with anything really that Kirk said either but its ludicrous that people believed he deserved to die.

kingArthur1991 · 2025-09-13T04:05:08+00:00

It’s almost like teachers go into the profession specifically to indoctrinate children into hating people based on… well pretty much everything…

Both_Albatross61 · 2025-09-13T10:48:27+00:00

From the other side here on the right, it feels like the shooter took the best of us. A guy who wasn’t violent or aggressive and wanted peaceful discourse while debating people on the left. Every time they were done speaking he wished them well.

From the men’s rights side, he seemed to advocate for more fathers in the home, equal child support, less DEI, and women to stop being crazy feminists.

Many Liberals have guns too. He was killed with a gun that the left always says they’re not going after. Shooter had no history of mental health or criminal record. Only expressed open hate for Kirk and others like him. Other than an outright ban, I don’t think anything the left is proposing on gun control would’ve stopped this.

I think if you feel like they’re are some people you can reason with them you should try to. If not, then it’s up to you on how you think your family would react. I have people close to me celebrating it and I just started talking to them less for awhile. I can’t cut them off because I work with them. I tried humanizing the shooting to them and it seemed to work but I don’t really know if it took effect. Atleast try and get them to understand that his wife and kids were there and saw what happened. Millions of people by now have seen the video. We have politicians from across the world offering condolences to him. Politicians on the left offered their condolences. Though it doesn’t seem that way, their position isn’t a popular one. Most people are not celebrating his murder. I think if you can drive that home, then you’ll be able to change their mind about the murder of him. Not changing their stance on his policies but on his murder.

YetAnotherCommenter · 2025-09-13T03:51:46+00:00

Majority of my family are teachers

There's your problem.

Teachers are among the most partisan-progressive professions and are rent-seeking hypocrites with a lust for power over children. The profession attracts people with a desire for control over others, just like law enforcement can.

Wololo2502 · 2025-09-13T07:20:50+00:00

This is why so many died under communism. They dont have the morals they say they do, only when it's convenient to them..

Connect_Finance_5905 · 2025-09-13T08:20:26+00:00

I'm a conservative, but the absolute vast majority of what Charlie said was too extreme or outright wrong for me. This, however, doesn't mean I should dehumanize the dude and turn him into some cartoonishly evil, one-dimensional character that's irredeemable.

Pretend-Storm4566 · 2025-09-13T04:39:24+00:00

The problem is Socialists have taken over the Democratic Party. A poll showed 66% of Democrats like Socialism. Because Mao and Stalin were such great guys /s

BigGaggy222 · 2025-09-13T05:12:59+00:00

Yep the insanity and inhumanity is real. Once the dehumanising starts, it's easy to see how conflict and atrocities and civil war happen.

Died_of_a_theory · 2025-09-13T04:17:39+00:00

Agreed

Died_of_a_theory · 2025-09-13T04:26:10+00:00

Amazing the leftists would rather kill than just discuss issues of the day. Does this mean we have to speak behind bullet proof glass now? It’s as if they know their positions can’t be rationally justified or debated so they attack the messenger instead of the message.

Gentle_prv · 2025-09-13T09:21:43+00:00

Kirk dying, to me, is like goering being assassinated. They may not be Hitler, but they are at the very least Nazi-adjacent. If you actually look up the heinous things Kirks been saying or advocating…he should’ve had some sense talked into him a while ago.

Do I feel bad for his family, and his kids? of course I do. But if you want me to feel bad for a person who said some actual fucked up shit, that’s not gonna happen. Just like I didn’t feel bad about those CEOs getting killed. Sometimes, karma comes for you, and those that sow hate, reap hate. At least he can no longer influence people with his hateful rhetoric.

No_Reaction_2168 · 2025-09-13T10:11:39+00:00

I feel kind of the same way. I disagreed with a lot of Kirk's views but I'm still saddened by his death. He did not deserve what happened to him.

griii2 · 2025-09-13T07:50:28+00:00

Kirk was not a supporter of men's rights, and I don't see how this debate is on topic. Please take your political discussion elsewhere.

dougpschyte · 2025-09-13T07:36:59+00:00

"He deserves it because he disagrees with me," loses 100% of its appeal when Kant's Categorical Imperative is applied.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative

Automatic_Example_79 · 2025-09-13T11:44:40+00:00

He said that gun deaths aren't a problem worth fixing, so he wouldn't want us to feel bad for him or his surviving family

antixwick999 · 2025-09-13T05:22:16+00:00

A quote from him keeps knocking my head "when people stop talking is when violence happens" buts that the thing nobody stopped talking he didn't stop and he definitely didn't stop his audience, and yet violence still happened. Not even that I was mindless scrolling X when I came across the video and here's the thing my initial thought it was fake or ai and even finding out was real I was sad but not as sad as I think I should have been, like I just saw him getting shot blood splurt out and I'm here very disconnected from people as whole. I'm looking at and thinking what wrong with me this isn't right is digusitng then I see the comments and I'm become even more disgusted. It was all so surreal

B1G_Fan · 2025-09-13T04:51:42+00:00

I think Charlie Kirk had the potential to be a magnificent leader if he just would’ve thought significantly harder before he spoke. I don’t think he was a malicious person. I think he was the personification of Hanlon’s Razor.

“Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by ignorance”

If you incorrectly believe the only options on the table with regard to gun violence is either the status quo or government confiscation of guns, I can understand why you would choose to maintain the status quo.

If you incorrectly believe the only options on the table with regard to immigration is either completely open borders or mass deportations, I can understand why you would choose mass deportations.

If you incorrectly believe that the only options on the table with regard to abortion is either the status quo or government bans on abortion, I can understand why you would choose government bans on abortion.

He really would’ve benefited from doing his homework on an issue.

And here’s the thing I really want to hammer home:

HE SHOULD STILL BE ALIVE TO IMPROVE HIS METHODOLOGY!!!

A woman has to bury her thirty something husband and two young children have to grow up without their father in part because of the incivility on both sides of aisle. And it shouldn’t be that way.

MeasurementNice295 · 2025-09-13T06:37:15+00:00

The people that defend eliminating oppositors from the public discourse don't believe in it in the first place, they don't believe in democracy or the legitimacy of the political process and complying to the result of the rituals.

And you know what? I don't either.

Problem is: People who did this and cheered for this are not doing that against the government itself but against other people that have an opposite opinion on what victimless crimes to force upon another human beings using it, just like themselves.

They want to seize it as a means to an end and keep it to them forever.

And they will do whatever they judge necessary to achieve that.

That is why dealing with this shit is the main priority.

Do you think it's hard to go against the wholistic official narrative that the left adheres to?

How hard do you think it will be when it becomes totally illegal and punishable by death?

Do you get the picture?

Factual_Statistician · 2025-09-13T08:50:42+00:00

In my opinion having no compassion OR empathy is respecting his memory 😂.

FatGimp · 2025-09-13T09:27:48+00:00

I can see why they have that view. Kirk was essentially a false prophet. Spread hatred and his staunch views while cowering behind the word of the Lord. Everyone that didn't like him saw through his bad faith arguments, and as someone so far gone that nothing will change him. He got so loud and so annoying that when it happened, everyone who wasn't politically aligned with him was good riddence.

We constantly see aggressive and violent rhetoric from the right side of politics and it's a normal day and no some far right groyper has attacked another side of the far right the left are all caught up in MAGAs own civil war.

I feel empathy for him and his family. I am saddened by his death. This is not what politics is about. Unfortunately, this is the culmination of a very long time of politics becoming ever more hostile.

BoldOneKenobi69 · 2025-09-13T07:16:37+00:00

Might get banned for this one but he was an intolerant guy. I don’t think he deserved to die. Yet, if I had to rank people to make an example of why guns need to be more tightly controlled to avoid crazies from having them (assuming if you’re a responsible owner already, then it shouldn’t matter), it would be Charlie among the top. Not in the fashion it was done but the irony couldn’t be topped by South Park itself, reminding everyone that he embraced his role in the cartoon. He had no sympathy when others, private citizens or not, and as a public person, he actually made a living out of making bad faith arguments, like the trans mice thing. It was transgenic mice not transgender. Surely, he was brave for having such convictions so openly, but his association is just logical. Not justified, not moral, but logical given the climate we have, and the law of numbers, someone in the right was gonna get popped any day now. He just made himself the perfect target. Somewhere between 98-99% of all related political assassinations in the last five years in the us have been by the far right. Ofc that 1-2% always always makes the news, specially where they’re trans. Less than a dozen out of +3.5k shooters have been trans. Even if the sniper was an inside job, it’s still considered “lefty” because he took down a “right”. See where I’m going with this?

Not to be so callous, but it almost seems like he was a patsy to a good extent; we’re not talking about the republican senate not releasing the eps files and this is the news cycle rn so that’s why it makes sense. Also, bibi tweeting twice about him within minutes of his death before the American news outlets broke the news, it just seems sketch. Professionally sketch.

Unable-Dependent-737 · 2025-09-13T05:23:48+00:00

How about this sub doesn’t become a sub that talks about what every sub talks about. Sound good? Cool.

Ps I didn’t read your post because I don’t care

MedicJambi · 2025-09-13T10:50:44+00:00

I consider myself a free speech absolutist. With that said I look down on those that choose to spread bullshit like vaccine denial, and bigoted ideals like Kirk did. He used his platform to demean, put down, and frame other less than. He dehumanized others.

I won't celebrate his death, but I'm not sad or upset that he was killed and I'm experiencing a lot of schadenfreude that the killer is MAGA in all but name.

I also don't care that people are celebrating his death as many did when two actual sitting Democrat senators were murdered by a MAGA die hard. Trump didn't give a speech or lower flags to half staff after their murder but he did for just some guy that considered himself a modern day philosophizer that likely refused to accept that all he said and did was first done by the Nazis. Kirk was nothing more than a grifting bad-faith self-styled masterdebater.

Roamer56 · 2025-09-13T05:13:55+00:00

Even more amazing is how it was a far right Fuentes lover who killed Kirk.

CeleryMan20 · 2025-09-13T05:29:57+00:00

Australian ABC’s Planet America had some fairly balanced coverage of the incident. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3OSOun8et0Q

“… some interpreted Kirk’s message as inherently if not overtly racist, although this was pretty overt … [segue to the black pilot DEI clip]”. John Barron also described him as “articulate, passionate, and intelligent”. “Kirk argued that the real racism is treating people according to their skin colour, even if that is a positive difference aimed at overcoming inequality.”

Chas L. proposed the idea that Kirk became good at telling Republicans what they wanted to hear to raise money.

Also from Chas: “But, what I would say, is that is too much to take from Nick Fuentes [the clip of NF a calling CK J**-lover]. Because Nick Fuentes, he became popular in his little group, by trolling Charlie Kirk.” - This may have been recorded before the online speculation about the shooter possibly being a Groyper.

As someone not familiar with Kirk before the assassination, apart from being able to recognise his face and name, I think the program presented a good summary for the uninitiated.

Gentle_prv · 2025-09-13T09:25:57+00:00

OP, you’re a bigot.

Title	Kirk situation.
Author	Fit-Match4576
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Date	September 13, 2025 3:44 AM UTC (10 months ago)
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