I see a lot of guys on here bitching and bellyaching about hypergamy and AWALT. I completely understand the sentiment. However, before you attempt to plug back in and give up because the comforting BP lies feel better than the cold RP truths, try a change of perspective.
BP "philosophy," i.e. Disney/RomCom/Feminism/SJW/etc, has taught men that when you find the girl of your dreams, you are supposed to show that girl that you love her by sacrificing of yourself, placing her needs above yours, and abandoning the life you lived in favor of a happily ever after that I'm sure most of you by now have discovered doesn't exist. It just fucking doesn't. And it hurts to have that facade pulled away. So you take to the Internet, you bitch and complain about how AWALT, consider giving up on women, get your ass in a knot about rape hysteria and other unfair laws governing men, and make it a point to spout off RP stuff any time you see the opportunity because you know and you want others to know you know.
Do you feel any better? Any different? Have you really swallowed the pill or did you just read the active ingredients, uses, and side effects? You're still bitter. You still feel like a loser. You still have that one girl that you're trying all this shit on and it just doesn't seem to be working. Maybe all of this is bullshit and maybe you just need to wait a little longer for the girl of your dreams to come along because "you're the type of guy that girls want to marry," or at least that's what your mom and countless "the ones" have told you. You're so far away from being that top 20-10% man, depending on whose blog you're currently reading, that it feels pointless. Hopeless.
What you need is a change of perspective. This is the greatest opportunity of your life. You've been given the chance to change the way you feel and the way you think, the way you react to the world and the way the world reacts to you. All those years of failure and despair are on their way to being over.
All great men are MGTOW. Maybe not in the sense that the term is commonly used here, but they have forged their own paths and pursued their own goals, all others be damned.
The BP lies that women want to be the center of your attention and the focus of your efforts is all bullshit. You are doing the best for her by doing the best for yourself. If you're into MMA, go be the best ass kicker you can be. If you are a programmer, go write the next big thing that changes the world. If you like to cook, learn how to make 5-star shit look like McDonald's. And I promise, she will love you for it.
Go. Your. Own. Fucking. Way.
No one will fault you for putting in effort to be a better person. You might encounter some crabs in your bucket, but that just means it's time to find a different bucket. Fuck people who want to hold you down, including you.
The best part of all this is that you will love yourself for it. Constantly being on the cutting edge of your ability, perpetually honing your craft/s, and pushing the envelope of what you thought was possible. Life will take on a new, more exciting shape and meaning.
That's what being an RP man is all about.
And then, they'll come. All that pussy you thought was unattainable will come rushing at you like flies to shit. They'll try you and test you and cry and laugh and disappear and show back up, all in an effort to get your attention.
When you finally get to the ones that are worthy, they won't want your full attention. They'll be in love with the tingles they get from being with a real man, the man that you created, carved out of the grizzled, gnarled rock that was the old you.
This is what your mom meant when she said the right woman will love you for you. She will love you for being the man that you wanted to become, and she can't find a better man.
Even these women will come and go. You are your only constant, everything and everyone else is a variable. If you can really learn to love yourself, which is what this is really all about, the storms of life, be they women, family, jobs, health issues, whatever, will crash against your carved rock and none will move it.
And at the end, when you're lying on your deathbed, surrounded by the people you've influenced and lives you've bettered because of your mere presence in them, you can look at the man you created and the life you lived and tell yourself, "Well done."
Be hopeful, be disciplined, and always be moving forward, brothers. This is your time.
EDIT: I'm glad most of y'all like this post. I'm sure if you want to, you can find fault with it somewhere. Just remember it's harder to be an artist than it is to be a critic.
EDIT2: Shit, fellas. I'm glad I could raise some discussion. I, for one, find the negativity around here to be a little overwhelming. Who cares if you're a textbook alpha now? You'll be supplanted by a bigger dick or a thicker chest or broader shoulders at some point. Be who you want to be. That's what is really alpha. You'll find women in any venture you pursue. She may not be the one you think you want now, but she'll fit right where she needs to when the time comes. And it will probably be more than one "she."
EDIT3: If you take anything away from this, I hope it's to strive to be better than you were yesterday. Night, fellas.
Nice to see something positive and motivational here instead of the constant whining about how unfair the world is. We know life isn't fair, that's why we're here. I want to learn how to navigate through an unfair life, not cry about the shit.
Agreed, sometimes this sub feels like r/atheism but instead of God there's Pussy.
So. Much. Whining.
My horse for a way to filter our MRA posts here!
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Fuck MRA's.
They think whining like women will get something done. It won't. Pussypass is real, and if you don't have the pussy, you don't get the pass. That means if you're a man nobody gives a shit about you, nobody is going to give you what you want for free, you have to stand up and take what you want. Don't like it? Chop off your balls, go on HRT and pretend you're a woman. Otherwise STFU and learn to dominate your world because that is the only way you'll get the change in your life that you crave.
Fucking exactly right. If you go through my post history you will find lots of comments about MRA type shit. The point of it is, that's the reality we gotta deal with, it won't be changing soon, so expect fucked up shit simply because you're a man, and go do something worthwhile in spite of that shit. Nobody is going to hand you a damn thing, they might do you a favor, but most often you gotta earn that shit.
We aren't bitches, we don't get free shit. Bitches get free shit, we earn what we get, be it good or bad.
Applying the above post to marriage. I'm much older then many of you, but before 'red pill' ever existed, my friends and i used to talk to each other ( because many of us recognized certain common traits in women) and we called it the highest bidder theory. Look at any woman and you will see this in practice - they will flock to the highest candidate to mate with. This motivated us to push ourselves to become the highest bidders. Am I still the highest bidder in my marriage? Damn straight I am. How do I know this? My wife is always actively defending her position from other women by making sure they know that I am hers: she knows her place and doesn't want to lose it. Additionally, she constantly makes sure that my needs are met, and when i want time for myself, it is given without guilt or question. I run our clan, and my family never questions that. Yes, marriage can a raw deal for many men who do not enter it objectively and run it like a business. But, if you do it right - and listen to the well written post by foolery, you can have what you're looking for and derive great satisfaction that it's yours and you created it.
Wow. I'll say this.. a man who can lead and handle our household and be the type of partner who can be trusted to keep his word and stay loyal to our family gets me so effing hot i can't even tell you. I want a partner like you.
The thing i have to believe exists out there.. is a guy who handles his life and his business.. takes his private time for himself and comes back to me full again.. is slightly more dominant and isn't afraid to tell me I'm full of shit.. commands respect by having character and boundaries.. has emotional courage and depth, while honestly sharing his needs and desires in a respectful way and can't keep his hands off me.
My only concern is that men seem to be losing their desire to even be with women because women are constantly competing and one upping and either emasculating or disrespecting men in a multitude of ways.
Maybe you guys can tell me what a red pill man wants in a woman? Maybe I'll ask that in a post...
Try /r/redpillwomen. It's a good start.
If you're interested in what men really want in a women come visit us at RedPillWomen. ;)
They exist. But you have to be worth it, not just believe you're entitled to it.
I think it's much more profound that just the behavior of women. This is the result of an entire remodeling of the society by our elites.
I will speak for myself: I was raised by a single mom after the 70's in France when the liberal, feminist way of thinking was extremely present everywhere. I belong to this first generation in France that has been raised by the television. I heard all my life feminists on TV saying that you should always be at the service to women, that you should be a white knight and bend to their every wishes and desires and that's how they will appreciate you. I've seen TONS of TV shows where feminist where talking how being manly in bed was so bad that you should always bring flowers, never hump fast, do the dishes, clean, prepare food for your girlfriend, bring breakfast to bed, etc... I literally was brainwashed and having no male figure in my life I can tell you I haven't been laid before I was old :-)
The brainwashing machine in France was not just about men/women relationship and feminism, it was most and foremost about politics and society. I swallowed the RedPill when I realized first how the liberal/feminist political ideas (mainly carried out in France by jews, it's a fact, not an antisemitic rant) were all big lies and manipulations which then made me realize the same about every subjects relative to society and feminism to finally bring me to realized that EVERYTHING I ever been told about women/men relationship were also totally false.
I see SO many carpet-guys from my generation and after, who still believe all the BS they've been raised with, it's scary, an entire generation at least has been destroyed by feminism and liberal ideas. I was one of them and still have to fight hard not to relapse and to find the right balance.
I say all that because I think that women are as much the victims of this brainwashing bullshit as men are. The result have been the creation of families without any structure, without strong male figure. Males who were just big kids. And the fact that what remains of the family structure is now disappearing completely because of gay marriage it's going to be catastrophic for the future. More than ever, future kids are going to be scared little brats, self entitled, insecure, unstable, without strong values and totally dependent; exactly what the market wants: good and tractable customers, good little slaves.
If it's not antisemitic, why even bring it up? How are Jewish people even relevant to the story?
I have been married for 20+ years to a certified genius who supports me financially, for the most part, does 1/2 the housework, does more than her share with the kids, and makes over $150,000.00 a year.
So I can answer your question and assure you that it does have a firm answer. The answer is pussy. Frequent, eager, joyful, tender or rough pussy pounding.
I don't care about intellectual talk. I don't have soulful discussions of ISIS and Jihad and beheadings while laying in bed. I don't care how the house looks. I don't care that my wife makes enough money we can live in an upper class neighborhood and send our kids to private schools. I don't care that I drive a Lincoln. I don't care that she makes more money than me. Good for her!
The ONLY thing I care about is eager, wet, willing pussy. Good pussy in a single bedroom apartment in the inner city is 10,000 times better than a /r/deadbedrooms marriage.
There is only one thing a man requires from a woman. If he gets it he can be happy with the relationship. If he gets EVERYTHING else except that he cannot be happy.
Well said. Aligns with Chris Rock's answer to what a man wants: " Food, sex, and silence. Feed me, fuck me, and shut the fuck up."
Go to /r/redpillwomen. Talking about how you are a woman in this subreddit is generally frowned upon and seen as attention whoring, because it is attention whoring, even if you don't realize it. There is no other reason to mention your gender online -specifically in a male-dominated subreddit.
It piss me off to no end when I see carpet-guys who obey their wife every wishes. You have activities with friends and they have to leave because their wife this or that and they don't want to be into trouble, I fucking HATE that. I never been married because I'm not sure I could have the strong stand like you, so how did you manage to not have a wife that bitch you if you do your own things ? Did you make things clear from the beginning ? Did she tried to control your every move at the beginning but you immediately put a halt to it ?
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We refer to that as "holding frame", one of the cornerstones of TRP ideology. Arguably the most important one, given how poorly understood it is, and how much of an impact it has on a woman's respect for you.
Too many of us tried being soft and malleable, as we were told that it was what women wanted. You can imagine how well that plays out.
Thanks and an upvote (to all participants in this thread) for adding another piece to the definition of "holding frame". It is one the more elusive concepts of the RP knowledge base. At least for me.
Thanks for the answer. I assume that "your time" was use for professional activities or at least activities that brought money or value to your wife's life too, I guess it wasn't just time for leisure activities. I was about to say that you were very very lucky to find a wife ready to accept that but thinking about it it seems that it's a clear case where you created your chance and actually make it happen.
this gives me hope. can you point me toward any RP-within-marriage articles?
Dangerous game OP. Pussy is the side effect of becoming a better man, not the motivation, or you're doing it wrong, and will stop Improving once you get a lot of pussy.
Agree with the general sentiment though, int he word's of Zyzz "Better to live one year as a king than a lifetime as a nobody"
I've been on that slippery slope. Learn from my mistakes.
About 9 months back after swallowing the pill I started to improve myself. Lifting, eating regularly, making more money and getting my shit together.
Then the pussy came. I became a social butterfly and drowned in pussy attention and validation. It was my goal from the beginning and I have achieved it, which in turn was the start of my downslope.
Stopped going to the gym, started procrastinating, wasted nights and alcohol. I was relying purely on my social skills to get the 'prize' without realizing that pussy is not the prize.
Now, that self confidence I had is starting to dwindle and I am noticing it in myself.
In the last 9 months I've fucked and received more validation from females than I did in the rest of my life and now I have become somewhat desinsithized to it.
And THIS is the tipping point. This is where truly no longer put the proverbial pussy on a pedestal and start improving for yourself and just for yourself.
So, in the end, pussy is a motivator, but it's not the end goal.
That insight is missed by 50% or more of the bros here.
Once you realize that bitches are attracted to the empty things you get in life as a result of the soul you put into your crafts, it becomes a game to find the one that enjoys the craft not the toys.
So what's holding you back from doing something big?
I don't recall doing that. I meant your success will attract pussy. Maybe I misworded something, but that was NOT my intent.
EDIT: NOT
EDIT2: But I do love that quote, bruh.
Right - this one point seems to be missed by so many. Everything they ask about here or comment on shows that there is some particular female they are "trying out RP on", one way or another. They remain basically BP-focused on a "one".
The reality is that only the abundance mentality will actually work. If you can't honestly DGAF about EVERY interesting female, then there's work to do.
"And then, they'll come"
I don't think they will come, you'll still have to do all the work because women are so passive by nature. That's why you need a minimal amount of game even if you have an incredible lifestyle.
When you have a great lifestyle but no game, you're like the tree that falls in the forest without anybody to hear it. Does it make a noise? Who knows? Let's say you realize all your dreams, you won't suddenly become a smooth womanizer. You're walking around with your shit perfectly together, but you lack the ability to use it to attract women (game).
Also, some people could misinterpret this as an excuse to wait until they have realized their dreams before trying to improve with women. Or they could try to acquire this phony exciting lifestyle only to attract women. The truth is: you don't need an exciting lifestyle to get laid. Not so long ago, there was a video about a bum who was getting laid regularly on this sub.
So in conclusion, I think that your lifestyle and your game should be completely separated in your mind. Develop your game to get laid. Realize your dreams for yourself, because it makes you happy, not because it might help you get laid.
Bear in mind that this was an overview of my perception of things. You can get lost in the minutiae of things or you can accept the big picture I was painting. Sure it's a little emotional and romanticized, but a call to arms isn't supposed to be about paper and a pen. It's about cause and effect. Like it or hate it, criticizing doesn't do shit for you but make you a bystander, and we all want to be players.
Well I think your perception of things is wrong. And criticizing it actually does something for me: it help me better understand things myself. I think other readers can also benefit from it. Exchange and confrontation of ideas is what this sub is all about. But you have a weird attitude about it.
Anyways, what I don't like about your text is that you say that you should focus on your dreams and THEN, as a recompense, women will come to you. I think it's a disservice to say that to young inexperienced men. It's like when society tells you that you should go to college, get a boring corporate job, and THEN women will magically come to you. Truly, you don't need to have a great lifestyle to get laid, you only need GAME. And that's what I want to emphasize.
Of course go out and realize your dreams, but do it for yourself, not because you think it will help you get laid.
I'm glad you disagree. Discourse paves the way to improvement.
Agreed. I think some may fall into the trap of "not worrying about women" and continue to pursue life goals, all the while you are not getting laid at all. Women don't just fall into an Alpha's lap, he has to to pull them into his world.
You have to work for it. Go out and meet new women, work on your social/game skills, increase your personal network, etc. Anything less will leave you without success with women.
I think some redpillers here use excuses such as their work, hobbies, training, etc. as an excuse to avoid the necessary effort required to approach/meet/socialize with women. They blame women for not fucking them but they only have themselves to blame. Men can hamster just as much as women do; do not let fear of failure or "I'm waiting until I lose that last 15lbs" or "i'm not buff enough yet" irrationalities stop you from approaching. You may not be 100% "ready" yet, no one will be, just get out there and you will find success. You are so much better equipped than the rest of the male population that is still plugged in, so you have the advantage, use it.
Just for clarification, being fat, lazy, poor and goalless will hurt you to some degree with women, but it's 100% fucking irrelevant if you aren't approaching new women. We can multitask gents', work on both, game and yourself, and you will be better for it.
Having a rock solid mans life is a form of game. If your life is rock solid, what's there to worry about, by all measures things are good or better, so lean back, take it all in, with a big smile maybe a beer, and hey what do you know there's a gorgeous lady talking to you all excited and giddy.
Or, you can think in terms of instant gratification and get what you want when you want it, if you're lucky, have no plan for the future, have the world around you falling apart.. And be able to laugh it all off and charm a woman into bed with you. How long will that last, how fulfilling will that be?
I think in terms of opposites, understanding that life usually is a balance somewhere between all of them.
Just some cud to chew on.
Exactly. I don't agree with placing game on an equal level as self-improvement. Sure you can do both but it's pretty evident there's a lot more work to do in improving one's well-being than their charm, wit, and humor.
People say they're equally important but I disagree. I guess I'm biased because I never had any problems talking with people. Self improvement is incredibly much more important because it involves all facets of your life. Getting better at your hobbies, getting that athletic body, and a great career is not only much more fulfilling but harder and longer to do. When you have all of that going for you, you're pretty much THEIR pedestal.
See I think TRP is split in terms of demographics. You have some alphas who bone bitches left and right and demonstrate their value by the number of women they've slept with. Then you also have alphas here who are ballers and don't give a fuck about sex because they're pursuing other shit in life.
Are they not alpha because they're not putting themselves out there and nailing women? No, I wouldn't think so. If you take account everything they've done in their life, I'm sure their SMV is high too. They can pursue women because they now see them as investments. It's become a matter of "What can she do for me?" to better my life than "What can I do for you?" to better yours.
At the end of the day, the man who has game but a shit career is still a broke motherfucker.
Also, if you have a strong personality and decent looks, you don't need to have a well established life to get some pussy. And there's nothing wrong with chasing pussy, it's when it becomes a priority then it becomes a problem.
It's not a "little detail", it's your entire point. Truth is, you still have to put in the effort.
honestly, if a girl wants a guy they will orbit the shit out of him. Really, if you have a life you love and is a genuinely content person, that shit will without fail attract women.
What I am saying is that you don't need to be a genuinely content person to fuck this girl. Nothing more. You could be miserable and still fuck her.
That condition is supremely vulnerable to the "no true Scotsman" argument. In addition, there is a bit of a circular argument in there as well: it's a bit difficult for a man to be genuinely content when he has zero prospects with women.
Nobody's life is perfect, even people who are genuinely content and accomplished still have shit to deal with.
Being the man you want to be and living the life you want does not necessarily attract women, same as how being a lowlife does not seem to in itself repel them.
The harsh truth is that in the Western society you need to have some game, and invest major effort in being a clown to get laid. Not effort in being a blue-pill supplicant for the benefit of society/women, but effort as a red-pill game-spitting clown for your own benefit... which is still a chore (albeit with results).
The circle would be to try to attain it in order to get it. It still holds true, and im not saying your life has to be perfect, and im not saying its the only way people get laid, but if you've experienced it you'd know how ridiculously easy it sometimes gets.
The 'work' is minimized if u are good looking.
Women don't approach because they are unsure of the guy attraction towards them and they dread rejection.
If she comes to know somehow that you find her pretty , she'll start the conversation.
Women approach hot guys all the time, you just have to be that hot.
Keep this in mind: if you are top of your game in terms of your work or whatever it is you have a passion for, women will make it much easier for you to approach them. Suddenly women who would have turned a blind eye are being flirtatious with you and offering you food or making excuses to be around you. They may be passive creatures, but they know what they want and have their own "game" too.
Preach the fuck on, bro. You said it better than I could've. My only regret is I have but one upvote to give.
That was fucking beautiful. Thanks for putting into words what really matters. I've slowly gotten to this point myself and it stopped me from being depressed all the time. Everything changes when you change yourself.
I've been MGTOW for about a year now and I've always felt a similarity between TRP and MGTOW, although most people here call MGTOW's pussys and cowards.
I'm glad to see what I was thinking so well articulated.
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He's fucking trash women. You're better than that. Every level of life has its skanks. They're usually the princesses you were chasing on the previous level.
Level up.
EDIT: And, for that matter, there are different pursuits in life. Maybe he's the best drug dealer he can be and those girls see that.
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good post we bitch and moan anout hypergamy and AWALT but we arent much better, we're looking for the hottest girl we can find ourselves.
A+ material. This definitely should be a top 10 read for newcomers and people still swallowing the pill. I know for sure Im learning from this and taking whatever I can from it. Thank you.
An essay about higher purpose that doesn't mention it once. Takes skill.
That was fucking awesome. Thank you.
Best redpill post this month!
Everything described here is excellent gospel.
I too started out like a chump, a wedding photographer, doing wedding after wedding with my partner wife. She divorced me, took half my assets, sunk my business, lost everything.
I got back in the game. Now found a new passion in model photography. I was a bit blue pill in the beginning. Fumbled around interacting with a 7. Thanks to learning frame and many other core redpill tenets, my photography has gotten better and working with models is better. I'm chatting shit with 9s on set with ease. Talking all sorts of things, directing, leading, getting good poses. Bikini, lingerie, nudes, I can talk on their level and make them feel comfortable while holding frame as a professional.
I've even developed a close working relationship with a few of the girls doing freebie shoots. I've had models come out and direct message me wanting to come shoot with them.
I still have more to go. But understanding how to keep frame, not give a fuck, understanding awalt, controlling giving validation. I wish I had this 25 years ago!
I agree with that. What needs to happen however is that you need to be in touch with who you really are to understand what you actually want. If you ask some guy who's been lied to his whole life what he wants to be he will tell you a lie that he believes to be true.
This needs to be stickied or side-barred.
Nailed it. Let's see if you get the positive responses this deserves.
good post, its true. focusin on yourself is the most important thing ever.
"I swear by my life, and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."
-Ayn Rand
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I believe the main reason people, myself included, end up here is because they're unsuccessful with women. Then they learn that RP isn't about women, but about self improvement. I believe that's why OP chose women as an example to illustrate the point that everything will fall into place.
Yep, as of recently, I started to work out more, (at least 1.5 hrs in the gym per day) follow a Paleo diet, and stop caring about what others think, and I feel like it has made me have more energy, and feel happier.
I mean, how cool is it, that all you have to do to change, or get something, is to actually do it?
This speaks to me personally. Thank you, man.
Yes! Learn to love yourself, the single best piece of advice a man can give another. And it is surprisingly though to do
You know man. You do make some points, but what you're saying is feel good bullshit in general. But I liked the main points of what you preached.
In my opinion, a welcome change of pace from the gloom and doom, MRA stuff we've been inundated with lately. Just my opinion, though.
Rollo talks about it in his recent post about hope in a red pill context.
Yup. That's it. That is Red Pill distilled to it's purity. The only thing i would like to add, that while doing so always put yourself first. Doing good for others is only a byproduct. It's fucking awesome, but it's not the priority. It's your own life; Make the most of it.
"BP "philosophy," i.e. Disney/RomCom/Feminism/SJW/etc, has taught men that when you find the girl of your dreams, you are supposed to show that girl that you love her by sacrificing of yourself, placing her needs above yours, and abandoning the life you lived in favor of a happily ever after that I'm sure most of you by now have discovered doesn't exist."
And what never occurs to anyone (or happens in the movies) is when the guy does just that, he ceases to be the man she fell in love with in the first place. He is now different - and probably a lot different.
And that's why if you do this, more than likely she will move on
This is me. Where does this want come from? Something to do with the 'textbook alpha' thing you mentioned?
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I'm glad this post helped you out. I'm not where I want to be, as I'm sure most of you aren't either, but I am choosing my ideal and making it my own.
Never stop striving, never stop putting yourself out there, never cease your pursuit of yourself. Now is the time for men to reclaim what was ours. There are plenty of frontiers left to conquer and getting lost on a side quest for pussy is stupid. Pussy will come with your success. It will come in waves: 6s, 7s, 8s, etc. Your level of access increases with your level of commitment.
Chase your dreams and the women will follow.
Motivating as fuck.
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wow, truly an inspirational post
I'm a woman and I'd like to say that what you wrote is true. It's the same for women. If I have a life and friends and love me and my life and have boundaries and have made myself the best I can be, my man will be more attracted to me.
If I stop doing what I was doing before we met and become dependent on him for what to do or how to love or make my decisions around him or live my life for him.. He will leave me because he is no longer feeling attraction for me because I eliminated the life and the energy that made me attractive to him in the first place.
There is a lid for every pot.. Once you put your life's oxygen mask on and do the best you, you can do, she will show up and she will want the guy you have become.
Energetically, you will be different.
If your focus remains outside yourself and on ways to say or do the 'right thing' so some she will like you, then you will always be attracting women who need a man who says or does the right thing. And no one can keep that up forever, unless you are the guy who says and does the right thing.. but here's the catch.. He doesn't exist. There is no right thing.
1 out of 100 men will want to seriously date me.. and I'm relatively good looking. Oh they will mostly all probably talk and laugh with me.. but one by one as we get closer, only the strong will survive. And that's ok. Cause im a nut and i want another nut. But I had to learn how to do me. It took a long time.
The type of person you really want to be with long term won't be attracted to you as someone trying to say or do the right thing. You've got to be the type of person you want to attract. I'm basically saying what he just said... only with a feminine twist maybe?
You killed it with this comment. :)
Much respect.
I like where you're coming from. No one is saying self-improvement shouldn't be a priority, because it is.
But I do take issue with this:
Taking yourself out of the game to be a MGTOW is dangerous. I've harped on this literally for the past 1.5 years here on TRP.
Too many guys get "depressed" just like you said, and can't handle that they aren't a male snowflake, so they redefine themselves into some separate framework where they CAN reclaim their alpha status without putting in the work.
So instead of getting thicker chest or broader shoulders, they opt out and say "hey fuck it...I didn't want those anyway! I'm going my own way and that's TRUE alpha!".
Just because you can't compete or be the best doesn't mean you opt out. Which is essentially what you're recommending. There's no ifs or buts about it: if you aren't tall, buff, rich etc ...you're simply NOT as attractive as a man. Accept it instead of MGTOW.
That being said, TRP is about sexual strategy first and foremost (not AMOG other guys), so being powerful versus your female mate is the baseline important thing. And as a man, that is pretty damn easy to do. So it's not like all men are doomed if they're not the Brad Pitts of the world.
TL;DR While self-improvement for your own sake is necessary, it's not the only thing. Pussy and women are true indicators of ...your ability to get women (duh). Don't hamster that pussy is somehow not necessary just because you haven't had success with it.
Well, I may have fucked up commenting on pussy as a litmus test for your success. It certainly isn't and you definitely need a certain amount of game to get laid by the best women available to you unless you are an absolute top tier man, but what's stopping you from achieving that status? And any woman within a few steps below your SMV will fuck you with minimal effort on your part.
Maybe it's not a complete appraisal or your worth in the SMP, but I've found pussy infinitely easier to obtain since I made myself be better than I was yesterday, every day. YMMV
Thought most beta bux.
If you want to bang women, be brazen, fit and fun.
The material success is mostly for your own well being.
I wish this post wouldn't get stuck on the pussy part of it. PUSSY was allegorical to the things you never thought you'd have. Most men who come here covet pussy like it cures cancer. Guess what, it doesn't. But neither does money or status or cars or clothes or love.
Your life should be your celebration of being alive.
EDIT: PUSSY
You're being disingenuous here. Don't go telling others what to value.
It's one thing to have the pussy so high up on a pedestal that your life revolves around it. That's the cancer that leads to pathetic BP behaviours. There's nothing wrong with wanting to score pussy, and making some efforts to obtain it.
Telling guys they should be happy not scoring is a losing venture. Being neutral about it is more pragmatic.
Don't recall saying that either. This is really a post about inner game. We all know about congruence and maintaining frame. These things are much easier when you have your shit together and feel good about yourself.
I lift weights everyday, and just started a career in finance. I just started finally acting like a true man. I am prepared to live and die alone on my farm in the middle of nowhere. Being MGTOW isnt about doing things for the sake of future recognition. It's about embracing the inevitability of your lonely demise and still being able to function.
That's a really pussy ass way to assess yourself. That's the kind of cop out shit that needs to stop around here.
EDIT: And for what it's worth, I didn't mean to try and break you down any farther than you may already be. What I meant was that great men are always going their own way. You were who this was written for most of all.
Is there a purple pill ? where a guy and a woman click as a team ?
Seemingly not in this subreddit bruv. A happy relationship seems to be built on dominance over love over here. I just don't understand how some people here imply those two are mutually exclusive. The relationship I have with my girl works because we understand, love and respect each other and I frankly have met few healthy couples where this is not the case. So yes, a purple pill surely would be a realistic one - anyone saying the world is black and white is fucking colorblind.
Then again Eminem did say something about purple pills.
/rant
Don't know what sub you've been reading, because if you'd paid attention here you'd see we're the first to tell you that you need a bit of blue with your red pill in an LTR for it to work. And I've never seen anyone suggest love and dominance are mutually exclusive.
I have been reading this exact sub, and the only goal implied in the posts here is gettin da pussy, like a cheap sales trick to lure unfortunate individuals into a toxic thought pattern. However, I really do want to understand you guys. This sub has a nearly fanatical userbase and that intrigues my curiosity in the best of ways.
You've got my respect for hanging around, at least :)
Yes, there are people who say things exactly like that here. They're quite loud, too, but if you haven't already I highly recommend reading the links in the sidebar, along with http://www.therationalmale.com/ to get an idea of what TRP is truly about.
Also, make sure to check out AskTRP, that's where you'll see a larger breadth of experience and discussion. The main sub can be a bit of a circle jerk at times, which is not all bad, but can be counterproductive. There is a lot more to TRP than "get da pussy all seasons every year," even if it doesn't seem that way at first glance
AskTRP seems like just the place i am looking for. I believe all ideologies and worldviews have something useful or interesting (this is, unfortunately, the root of many conflicts), and I am endlessly interested by social dynamics, especially in groups that decide to think differently. While i do disagree with many of TRP's sentiments, I have a drive to understand. Thank you for the heads up.
Thank you for your answer. I understand the existence of this sub among others (seddit). I never found someone that would tell me something that resonates with my inner views (or dreams).
Cheers :) I honestly visit this subreddit from time to time because it intrigues me. I am curious to truly understand the majority here, and their reason behind thinking the way they do, and whether their worldview generates hard cold results for them. A social study of forms, if you will.
I didn't explain, but to me these subs existence is mostly pragmatic reaction to pain, at least that's how I ended up here :) Pain is not your best friend in these times though.
That is slowly becoming my impression too. It is like a self-confidence guidebook (which is great) with a great dollop of bigotry and hate on the side (which is not so great). I dont want to judge though, and will keep on researching.
If you don't mind me asking you a personal question: Was the pain that ended you up here caused by a woman per chance?
Yep. I knew shit about life then got confused with a friend. I'm trying to find clues about how to patch things up with her.
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Search this sub for "treading water" & you will find similar motivational stuff from about 4wks ago.
I can't link it because crossposting isn't allowed =/
The monotony of AF/BB and AWALT and MRA bullshit and all the rest has really mired this sub down. It's a shame some of you guys can't appreciate this for what it is. The everyday grind will suck you in and drag you down, and then the place you come to learn to be better is full of negative shit too. Come on. I need better from this place just as much as the rest of you do. And what's more pussy than marching along with the crowd of naysayers into the pit of despair?
Sack up. The teen angst and thirty-something regret around this place is beyond clichéd. I'm better than that and you motherfuckers should be too.
Love that I'm being downvoted... I'll go back to /r/steroids now
If steroids will help you get where you want to be, then /r/steroids is where you should be. This place needs to be a jumping off point, a "core class" type of sub for men who are seeking themselves. We're all gonna make it, homie.
you write well.
edit 1 have you seen what passes for art today, it's way harder to be a critic that actually adds value.
edit 2 no, you will not find carmen Electra at the end of a physics nobel peace prize, you need the big chest and the skilled dick to get someone you actually find atractive. You may not to find women in your venture, but in success you will become the type of man that women love: note, you can be a succesfull programer and you can make bilions, both of them are accomplismenets but they don't change who you actually are: succes is nothing without personal growth, I would argue that personal growth is fundamentally real succes.