Q4ALL: How many woman find that "white-knighting" and "feminism" and all that stuff actually boosts the attractiveness of a man if the man is already attractive? Does this proportion of women change as you move up the hotness scale--and if so, how?

hematomatoed · 2018-05-29T03:35:23+00:00

Wow, I think you make this incredibly complicated.

Virtually every woman wants a man who:

Shares her fundamental values;
Has her best interests at heart;
Is acting in a genuine manner and not trying to manipulate her.

That means that most women would prefer a man who isn't hostile to feminism, but also doesn't particularly feel the need to dance around with a pink "This Is What a Feminist Looks Like" T-shirt.

And most women would prefer a man who stands up to anyone smearing her and her entire sex for no good reason, but doesn't want a committed "white knight" who takes any woman's side in any dispute.

That's the general rule for most women; exceptions exist. After all, different women have different values.

OfSpock · 2018-05-28T21:20:03+00:00

Like most things that get mentioned here, the lack of it is a turn off, rather than it being a turn on. Having feminist values is essential to me in a partner. Any man who cracks sexist jokes etc get an automatic no and no second date.

EsauTheRed · 2018-05-28T21:36:15+00:00

A man who has feminist viewpoints (abortion, safety of women in relationships, anti-rape culture, women being encouraged to go into STEM etc) is infinitely hotter than one who disregards women as being "the eldest child in the house/sluts/bitches". Women like to know their lives matter to the men they're with. I would propose that for many women the man being a feminist would increase his SMV, ditto being left wing. For me personally, right wing views would make even a 10 down to the lowest digits, because Values are essential to me. YMMV.

I'm a bit confused by 2, 3 &4. Is that the hotter the man, or the hotter the woman you're asking?

I don't believe there's a direct correlation between attractive and right wing, however, in the UK right wingers tend to be richer, so better able to afford to improve their attractiveness/style.

quicklogaccount · 2018-05-28T21:27:33+00:00

How many woman find that "white-knighting" and "feminism" and all that stuff actually boosts the attractiveness of a man if the man is already attractive?

All of them. They're already primed with "attractive", they'll assume "he's the sexy kind of feminist", whether it exists or not.

Does this proportion of women change as you move up the hotness scale--and if so, how?

"All"

Do women tend to prefer more and more "sexist" and less and less "feminist" men as you move up the hotness-scale?

Women prefer the same men. Women put up with some things they might dislike as the MAN goes up. Hot women that date exclusively hot men might be putting up with preposterous shit, but they do it themselves.

Do hotter women (and men, for that matter) tend to be more right-wing in their views?

Not really. Progressiveness has its cult between ugly and beautiful people.
In Brazil we call the progressive left "the beautiful people", always in tune with the last tendencies, firm in their belief that everything we need is empathy, believing they experience poverty first hand as they eat in world class restaurants in slums (favelas) with views for the sea, then go back driving armored cars.
Without having to work these hipsters spend the day in gym. They're quite beautiful and handsome fellows. Most Brazilian actors and actresses fall here too.

OfSpock · 2018-05-28T22:23:53+00:00

1: How many woman find that "white-knighting" and "feminism" and all that stuff actually boosts the attractiveness of a man if the man is already attractive?

As long as it's genuine then yes. If the man is clearly doing it to impress you than no.

2: Does this proportion of women change as you move up the hotness scale--and if so, how?

I don't think so.

3: Do women tend to prefer more and more masculine men as you move up the hotness-scale?

I think women who put an inordinate amount of time on their looks with make up and working out are usually hyper feminine. They like hyper masculine men.

4: Do women tend to prefer more and more "sexist" and less and less "feminist" men as you move up the hotness-scale?

No. See above answer.

5: Do hotter women (and men, for that matter) tend to be more right-wing in their views?

I don't know.

The pink shirt thing is peacocking. It makes a man stand out and it makes a great ice breaker for conversation.

the_calibre_cat · 2018-05-28T23:38:29+00:00

Being somewhat considerate of others is a must, but it does not take a feminist to be a good person.

In my opinion left wing politics and behaviors associated with it do not boost attractiveness. I may be biased though, because I'm center, leaning right and I think people who are more left than center, leaning left tend to overdo it.

Ironically, my SO is a politically active in one of the most left wing parties in the country - though he's more middle of the road in everyday life, he thankfully doesn't call himself a feminist, and his relationship/family values are uncharacteristically conservative.

I generally tend to not get along with people who are very political regardless of their political alignment, but my SO is a genuinely good, respectable person, and he'd never force his political beliefs on anyone. He's probably the only exception to the rule that I'll ever meet.

TL;DR attractive left wing people is correlation, not causation. People can be left wing and attractive, but they're not attractive because they're left wing.

SmeggingRight · 2018-05-29T00:10:43+00:00

Some women will not have a bar of you if they think you're right-wing. And I'm sure the same goes for women who prefer right-wingers.

Have had very attractive girls give me a wide berth when they mistakenly thought I was a right-winger, but totally change when they discover I'm actually a left-winger who respects the ideals of feminism.

Doesn't make you more attractive but takes away a dealbreaker if the girl is a committed leftwinger.

As for whiteknighting, if it's about sticking up for and doing things for women just because they're women - then that's not what I'm about.

thinkytoes · 2018-05-29T03:34:31+00:00

If I meet a man who is just regular, I will find him more attractive if he isn't ranting about feminism and believes in kindness. I have found that men can be reasonable, chivalrous even and masculine at the same time.

I find men who need cruelty, TRP guidebooks, constant bitching about feminsism when I have nothing to do with whatever extremists they watch etc as a signal that they are weak minded.

If the guy is attractive, I would find him less attractive if he was trp anything. When you spend time with real alphas, you just aee these types as posers that will make your quality of life worse.

Whenever guys complain avout chivalry, I find it obnoxious and deeply unattractive. Because while you're carrying on about the fairness of it all, I still do a lot as a woman to contribute to the quality of pur interaction and I can just go talk to the next guy who is more pleasant and plays ball. Which I do.

blackedoutfast · 2018-05-28T22:14:40+00:00

bro no you have this all wrong.

if she's already strongly attracted to a guy, he can say almost anything and she will find a way to see it in an attractive way. Chad can say feminist BS and they'll think "awww 😍" and he can say some right-wing BS and they'll think "awww 😍"

but you should NOT interpret that to mean that a guy who she isn't strongly attracted to can be more attractive by acting like a male feminist. it may make women more likely to like him in a friendly way, but it will not make them more sexually attracted to him.

i know a LOT of self-proclaimed male feminists, dudes who love to white knight and always make social media posts about the importance of affirmation consent and will go out with their female friends specifically to cockblock and "protect them from dudes trying to hit on them"

NONE of them do well with women. they have lots of female friends, and girls love to have these guys hanging around doing favors for them. but they do NOT have any interest in ever having sex with these dudes.

these dudes always end up in the friendzone because the WK male feminist persona they have is NOT compatible with the actions and attitudes needed to have sex with women. when the male feminist decides to finally make a move and show his sexual interest, it usually fails hard. at best, the woman will shit test him (which he invariaby fails) at worst, she will flip out and decide that all the male feminist stuff is just an act and he is really fake and creepy.

i know one dude like this. if he does anything that even remotely shows any kind of sexuality or masculinity, girls get creeped out. he gives one a hug then leaves, then they all talk about how creepy and gross it is because he holds hugs for a beat too long. but with the same girls i can grab em they pussy and they just squeal with delight. the difference is that i completely embrace my sexuality and the fact that im an obnoxious pussy grabbing asshole, so my behavior is congruent.

[deleted] · 2018-05-28T22:17:56+00:00

what women want on a conscious level is vastly different from what they want on an unconscious level... which is where attraction happens

that's why it's pointless to ask them directly what they want, you need to observe and imitate the behavior/appearance of the men they bang

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HossMcDank · 2018-05-28T22:10:29+00:00

Basically every male feminist I know looks like this or this and has had one or two partners at most. If you want to bang or date the female equivalent of those men, slap on that shirt. Every sexually successful man I know has a low opinion of SJW bullshit, if they think about it at all. High value men don't put up with being nagged about how their mansplaining perpetuates rape culture.

[deleted] · 2018-05-29T01:52:48+00:00

Well yeah, of course women want a man with similar values to them, who thinks highly of them and has their best interests at heart. All else being equal they're going to choose the guy with those qualities over one without. TRP is just doing their usual chest beating/hamstering when they say otherwise, nothing new there.
No, I don't think it does. It has more to do with the politics of the women in question, and I don't think that anti feminist women are any more or less attractive than pro feminist women, but they are less plentiful.
Hotter women prefer hotter men, but not necessarily more masculine men. And right wing, anti feminist politics aren't inherently masculine.
No. All women prefer men with similar values to them.
No, I don't think there's any correlation at all between political beliefs and hotness. For every fat blue haired feminist there's a fat brown haired church prude. And if you go by region, I think that the population of liberal New York is definitely hotter than the population of conservative Mississippi.

dankytank · 2018-05-29T02:30:10+00:00

So basically a hot man trying to kiss up to me? I'd be all for it! He doesn't have to be overly political but he must have genuine respect for women, I don't do phonies.
I don't feel like I'm able to answer this accurately from my perspective, but I consider myself fairly average if sorta plain and considering I've never had much in the way of male attention (much less from very attractive men) the idea of a very sexy man going beyond being just respectful but encouraging women is sexy as hell. Forgive my french, but being told on my first date that smart women are sexy was flattering as fuck. I've never depended on my looks for much, so I don't know if that might have something to do with that? If a woman places more value on education and hobbies than looks then obviously she'll like it when her crushes/partners complement her on those.
I've always liked laid back men, guys who are 'dudes' and 'bros' who are nice to chill, talk and relax with. I tend to go for light nerds or light jocks (men who enjoy hobbies without heavy competitiveness), I also like twinky metro types who like dressing nicely. Nearly every man I've ever been into enjoyed cooking, which I find super hot in a man. I don't require men be súper fit, most men are by default stronger than me because I'm skinny and none too tall, so my femininity hasn't ever been threatened, I actually kinda like dad bods. A lot of my crushes (including my current boyfriend) aren't all that tall, some have been only about an inch taller than me, I don't care, tall men can be striking but short guys are cute and easier to kiss. So from my view point, average-cute girl likes average-cute guys, I don't think 1 is much of a sample tho.
5. Depends how you are defining hotness. If it's by traditional forms of femininity and grooming then yes, there might be some overlap between traditionaly beautiful women and old fashion masculine men. But that falls apart when you see so many attractive people un showbiz and media who are explicitly progressive.

SpaceWhiskey · 2018-05-29T02:31:24+00:00

1: How many woman find that "white-knighting" and "feminism" and all that stuff actually boosts the attractiveness of a man if the man is already attractive?

Depends if it’s genuine or not. If the feminist values are real, I’d say a majority of women will consider it a plus. If it’s a performance, it’s cringey and not attractive. Faking any personality trait is cringey and not attractive.

As for questions 2-5, the answer is all of them is no. There is not a direct universal correlation between any of those things. I think conservative media outlets like Fox are more blatantly likely to hire pretty blonde ladies to deliver their content, but that doesn’t mean pretty blonde ladies are more likely to be conservative.

[deleted] · 2018-05-29T10:01:30+00:00

Well classic case of watch what they do not what they say. There was a thread before in same fashion and even feminists said they despise feminist men. You see? Feminists want also chad. Nobody wants a pussy.

exit_sandman · 2018-05-29T10:18:12+00:00

There are so many individual triggers for what will enhance a man's attractiveness.

If a girl is a biochemist then your biochemistry-knowledge could be a huge turn-on.

If a girl is a leftist then left-wing political views could be a huge turn-on.

And if a girl is a feminist then I don't see why white-knighting/feminism couldn't be a huge turn-on (as long as you're attractive enough in other respects).

To all of the above: only if they're already attracted to you (you mentioned that with the last point, but still). In rare cases displaying these traits might just do the trick that pushes you over the edge, but ultimately you'll see far more women compromising on values and interests in order to get an attractive guy than you'll see women compromising on attractiveness in order to get a guy who shares their values and interests. So no, it definitely isn't a "huge turn-on". I'd rather call it being elated (or relieved) if she finds out that a guy she already considers hot is also supremely compatible with her in other regards.

And I mean, I can relate - I would take a pretty woman who is indifferent towards the whole gender war stuff over Karen Straughan, and would be pretty elated if it turned out that she wasn't indifferent towards it after all but firmly in my camp (without virtue-signalling or needing prompting) - but that doesn't mean that it would be a (sexual) turn-on. It would definitely increase her wifeability, though.

mistercheeez-o____O- · 2018-05-29T21:21:44+00:00

I think that the women who are interested in dating men who parrot feminist narratives, are women who are more interested in dominating a relationship, than being attracted or enamored by the men that they are with.

S1imdragxn · 2018-05-30T19:54:59+00:00

I was a leftist years ago. Leftist girls sleep with right wing and homeless anarchist alphas then accuse them of rape later was the trend I saw a girl I liked did this and it’s what disillusioned me from the left and made me realize the feminists were right, I was only in this for brownie points

The guy who wore the shirt in your story scored because he’s masculine AND his shirt was an attention/conversation piece that’s all

[deleted] · 2018-06-01T16:16:18+00:00

He said that the women who ate it up were either overweight or super-hot--nothing in-between. (Not sure why that would be.)

because overweight women didn't know it was a joke, and the super-hot women did and appreciated the confidence required for such flippancy

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