What's in it for the woman to be in a relationship with an RP guy?

Startled_Butterfly · 2016-01-03T06:23:32+00:00

RP men tell their girlfriends they can leave any time and will break up with them for any little behavior. Loyalty is not a word in their vocabulary.

Can you describe "any little behavior"? If a woman is doing shitty stuff, then why should a man be loyal to her? That sounds like normal relationship stuff to me. Be a good girlfriend, I'll stay around. Act ridiculous, I'm leaving. Seems pretty straightforward. Are you saying that a guy should be loyal to his girlfriend to a fault?

questioningwoman · 2016-01-03T06:39:11+00:00

The way you present it, not much.

But lets break these down: "RP men don't want women to have careers but don't want to spend money on them and taken good care of either if they want to be stay at home moms." - I'd prefer my wife not be in some ball-busting, working 80 hours a week career. I don't have one either. But truth is, I MUCH prefer she brings in a few bucks. Stay at home mother is a great choice, if it can be done. Most folks don't have that luxury.

"They don't want romance either." - Too vague to even respond. "Romance" is a matter of perspective.

"RP men tell their girlfriends they can leave any time and will break up with them for any little behavior. Loyalty is not a word in their vocabulary." - Girlfriend? Well, if you aren't married, why can't he leave any time he pleases? And, if you are just dating, that's precisely the time you'd be feeling this stuff out, and if he's asking for something ridiculous, NEXT. No harm, no foul. Loyalty is earned, and you're statements are too vague, so I'm not sure what your complaint here even is. Loyalty isn't something they give, or isn't something they believe you can give them? Loyalty is very high on my requirements list for a mate, but I'm fiercely faithful myself. Loyalty is not only a word in my vocabulary, its underlined and highlighted in my dictionary.

"RP men have unrealistic standards. They expect a submissive 9 or 10 who doesn't question them." - Yeah, we all expect dimes to lick our boots. rolls eyes

"The "intelligent" ones are ones who expect their wives to be stupid. They are pissed at women for being emotional and non-analytical yet get very angry if a woman shows she's logical." - Not to toot my own horn, but I'm not hurting on brainpower. My wife's IQ is a few points higher. I'm not losing sleep at night because she's going to use her stronger intellect to screw me over. I'd be bored as shit with a woman I can't talk to about intelligent subjects without watching her tune me out. I don't necessarily want her to be a no-it-all smart ass, but I couldn't stand to be with a woman that couldn't at least carry on a conversation using words with more than three syllables.

"According to RP men, women must all have the same personalities. They will also devalue you once you turn past 35, even if you're married." - Not even close. I'd say RP tends to say that all woman are alike when it comes to certain offerings, so be selective and choose women that have personalities you mesh with. (Unless these are the RP guys getting notches, but they don't have "girlfriends" so I kinda assumed you mean those of us RP guys that, ya know, have happy marriages.) Oh, and my wife is 37 and I'm very much looking forward to "valuing" her here shortly before bed.

I sincerely hope you are exaggerating for affect here, because I've seen some good thoughts you've posted, and I'm wondering what has your panties in a bunch. Honestly, this is like saying ARPMALT (all Red Pill men are Like That) and common sense says otherwise. I'll admit that the vast majority of large volume posters on RP sites may very well be like that, but as always, the extremes do not necessarily represent the masses.

redmachines · 2016-01-03T06:46:33+00:00

What's in it for a nice guy to be in a relationship with a woman? I could almost replace every word where you said RP and insert the modern day female and replaced woman with nice guy and the post will make just as much sense.

Tom_The_Human · 2016-01-03T13:06:41+00:00

Nice caricature.

[deleted] · 2016-01-03T13:22:46+00:00

What's in it for a woman to date a red pillers?

A better question is why do women leave their blue pill husbands when these guys go out of their way to try and make women happy??

[deleted] · 2016-01-03T06:18:01+00:00

If he abides by the RP standards to the letter and it doesn't change, sex. And only sex. If he lives by RP standards until he meets Miss Someone, and then suddenly he is willing to sacrifice and compromise, she knows he is telling the truth if and when he says how he feels. Sacrifice and compromise must be voluntary, undertaken with other options available, or they mean nothing. What somebody does because they have to is not the same as what they do because they want to.

Taylor1391 · 2016-01-03T20:50:01+00:00

Nice strawman.

The woman gets a leader. She gets a man who is confident taking charge during stressful times without losing his shit and breaking down. He understands her emotions and can handle them, and he himself is emotionally stable so she can rely on him to be the rock in the relationship if she needs to.

He's strong, fit and attractive because he exercises regularly. He has goals and aspirations, and is constantly bettering himself.

He sets boundaries for her because he has a backbone and will let her know if she has crossed a line, she can't walk all over him and that turns her on.

He treats her well but expects at least equal investment and respect in the relationship, so she knows she has to treat him well too. But she's okay with that because he's high value and worth it.

That's what she gets. A man who has his shit together. There are hateful men on TRP but there are plenty of well-rounded, respectable and successful people too.

dejour · 2016-01-03T16:09:23+00:00

I don't think that's an accurate characterization of red pill ideas. But theoretically, what's in it for the women is that she gets a man she is extremely attracted to. She'll be protected and provided for. Additionally, the man takes care of masculine tasks so that women get to do what they really want to do (feminine tasks).

Transmigratory · 2016-01-03T16:26:00+00:00

Where on earth are you getting this info from? Roosh? FYI he's severed ties with TRP.

newpaige · 2016-01-03T22:33:39+00:00

I have the exact same question every time I read TRP stuff.

Read this entire thread and did not see one RP man answer why any girl should be with a TRP man over just about anyone else given the downsides. I keep seeing "a leader" but a leader for what? Guy believes in leaving a serious relationship at anytime, no marriage, no financial security, hates career women.. what? There are traditional alphas and many desirable regular men that women would fight for because there is so much to gain. So help us understand.

You guys say the OP is a troll but then answer about what you might do as an individual instead of the general consensus of TRP which is what the OP is asking about.

This is actually the first time I've seen the TRP fail to at least attempt to give a robust, honest, reasonable reply. Which only makes me as an outsider believe the OP is 100% right in her "caricature". I might be biased as someone who thinks exactly the same thing too.

Still.

questioningwoman · 2016-01-03T06:17:27+00:00

So basically you want RPers in relationships to talk about how awesome they are?

Obviously what you said is incorrect and completely misunderstood and is grabbing words from a whole lot of men pursuing non-monogamy

lolobviously · 2016-01-03T07:51:40+00:00

TRP is a great reminder of the things I need to do to make sure she wants me. Not 'he's ok', not 'he's a cool guy', but absolutely want to hang off me, feel lucky to be with me, and be happy that in the knowledge that her man is a disciplined masculine guy who will do the job whatever it is if need be.

mwefkjnfkjnwe · 2016-01-03T09:16:17+00:00

If this is the case, then it appears that this "Red Pill" philosophy you speak of is very 1-dimensional, and not open to questioning. Or perhaps this is just your understanding of it?

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2016-01-03T16:59:23+00:00

Who cares, RP isn't about what's good for women

RareBlur · 2016-01-03T08:01:18+00:00

Pain and heartarche unless she is expecting very little.

Kalikoenig · 2016-01-03T08:50:16+00:00

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What is this?

GayLubeOil · 2016-01-03T07:11:14+00:00

She gets to proof read my posts before Bloopies read them and weep.

betterdeadthanbeta · 2016-01-04T14:59:44+00:00

What's in it for the woman?

A good deep dicking whenever she needs it, which is always.

lodro · 2016-01-03T08:20:00+00:00

You're not describing an RP guy; you're describing a guy who just discovered the RP sub after a series of painful rejections, and is now confused as fuck and trying to be RP.

Yeah, not much in it for women to be with that guy right now.

thebadmanpuntdbaxter · 2016-01-03T07:31:56+00:00

RP men don't want women to have careers but don't want to spend money on them and taken good care of either if they want to be stay at home moms. They don't want romance either.

That's fabricated bullshit. We don't make a point of saying women shouldn't have careers. If you're just around to fuck me, im not paying for your drinks, prostitution is illegal. Despite not advocating marriage, children are raised better in a traditional family home. I'll financially support a woman that I deem suitable as a nurturer for bearing my children, because her job would be her motherly duties. Few women meet this criteria.

RP men tell their girlfriends they can leave any time and will break up with them for any little behavior. Loyalty is not a word in their vocabulary.

When a girl's competition is just a phonecall away, you aren't worth the headache, you aren't special. Sticking around makes no logical sense

RP men have unrealistic standards. They expect a submissive 9 or 10 who doesn't question them. The "intelligent" ones are ones who expect their wives to be stupid. They are pissed at women for being emotional and non-analytical yet get very angry if a woman shows she's logical. According to RP men, women must all have the same personalities. They will also devalue you once you turn past 35, even if you're married.

None of that is true, you're writing about a strawman. Your grammar is terrible as well, half of this sounds like rambling.

What's in it for the woman?

A strong leader

wub1234 · 2016-01-03T06:31:30+00:00

It's difficult to disagree with the OP, really.

[deleted] · 2016-01-03T06:38:42+00:00

1) Mindset of agency and future time orientation

2) Above average effort into aesthetics

What's in it for the woman?

Absolutely nothing. TRP men's flavor has absolutely nothing to do with getting women what they want, by definition.

If you want great proof of this look at the goals of TRP and RPW. The main consensus TRP goal is noncommitted alpha plate spinning, the main consensus goal for RPW is locking down a high value beta. These two goals are completely incompatible with each other and represent the ideal for their respective gender in the current SMP/RMP.

[deleted] · 2016-01-03T06:53:47+00:00

I would definitely take care of the woman who is bearing my children. She won't be working outside the house but she would get an allowance that she could use for whatever she wanted. Even still, I would take care of everything.

The catch is the fun times are only if she stays on the ride. If she gets off, she gets no more benefits. I will always take care of my kids, though.

As long as she keeps me happy, she will be fine.

[deleted] · 2016-01-03T06:36:36+00:00

You get a man to pay 50% - 70% of the mortgage while you work full time and do the vast majority of child-rearing and housework to boot. But you do have the assurance that your unremarkable, average equivalent will be there to remove your agency and sexual autonomy whenever it suits him, which is freeing.

Gnometard · 2016-01-03T20:37:52+00:00

A woman like you would never get the pleasure.

[deleted] · 2016-01-03T21:20:26+00:00

The entire question really isn't relevant to a TRP man, or TRP in general.

TRP isn't about making sure there's something "in it for the woman" in a relationship. Women are free to decide for themselves what is and is not advantageous to them in their relationships with men, whether that's TRP or not. TRP essentially says "what's in it for the man in his relationships?"

TRP is about men having power in their relationships -- taking power back, or having and keeping power. Because ultimately, human relationships are about power -- how it is distributed among the participants in the relationship, who has that power, how it's used, and under what circumstances it's used.

questioningwoman · 2016-01-03T06:33:36+00:00

Dread Game

joseremarque · 2016-01-03T07:35:06+00:00

Ali_s1987 · 2016-01-03T09:57:10+00:00

I can try but I genuinely feel that I would be talking to a wall. "RP men don't want women to have careers".......Reference please? That is the first time I have read that. "but don't want to spend money on them and taken good care of either if they want to be stay at home moms." Why the FUCK would I spend money on a girl. Im 28 and have been with I think 14 women. Guess how much money they spent on me? And then guess how much money I spent on them. That was before I was RP. The most expensive birthday gift I got from a girl was the same price as a normal dinner I used to take her out on. "RP men tell their girlfriends they can leave any time and will break up with them for any little behavior. Loyalty is not a word in their vocabulary." Again........IDK where you read that. TRP talks about abundance mentality and spinning plates etc. However it never asks you to not be loyal. If you are single....spin plates etc. If you are in a relationship you should pass shit tests and play the dominant role. "They expect a submissive 9 or 10 who doesn't question them. The "intelligent" ones are ones who expect their wives to be stupid." So maybe im not intelligent since I would prefer to be in a relationship with a girl who is not stupid and can atleast hold a conversation. And submissive? Sure.....in bed. Out of it, I couldnt care less.
"They are pissed at women for being emotional and non-analytical yet get very angry if a woman shows she's logical." again.....wat? Reference please. "They will also devalue you once you turn past 35, even if you're married." I wouldnt devalue my wife. But if I was in a relationship with a 35 plus when I can get someone younger then sure. I would devalue her.

And why exactly would TRP care about what does a woman gain with a TRP guy. I dont give a shit about what a woman wants or gets. Just like women dont give a shit about what a man wants. Men dont live to serve women. Get that out of your head.

Title	What's in it for the woman to be in a relationship with an RP guy?
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Date	January 3, 2016 6:05 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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