Why the red pill's advice on getting sex from hot girls is completely wrong.

soontobgrad · 2015-08-28T05:27:46+00:00

The red pill has a "build it and they will come" and "ignore the pussy" mentality towards getting hot girls and in the USA at least, that is bad advice.

No one's saying you'll automatically just have vaginas flying at you, we're saying that doing all these things will make shit multiple times easier than it would be if you didn't do these things.

Truth is that the red pill simply overestimates how amazing the guys who sleep with hot girls actually are.

High SMV doesn't mean your life is amazing. It just means you're attractive.

What I find even more pathetic is how the red pill downplays the amazing experience of sex with hot girls.

How do you figure we downplay it?

soontobgrad · 2015-08-28T05:39:23+00:00

You are confusing many things.

TRP says things like not having the soul purpose of life be chasing hot girls because it's very important to have abundance mentality, and to be outcome independent about approaching, not to feel sad or upset about rejection.
Environments, that are external, like a fraternity house, do not change a guy's SMV or sexual attractiveness, they allow girls to be more sexually excusable with their behavior. Meaning, if skinny Bob manages to have sex with a girl at a frat party, than he would normally be rejected or fail to have sex with outside of a frat party, his SMV does not increase. The environment he was in caused the girl to be more sexually forward.

So technically, when one says the surgeon has a higher SMV than the frat boy, this is true if and only if the surgeon can pull the same girls the frat boy can without being in a frat party.

alreadyredschool · 2015-08-28T09:07:21+00:00

The red pill has a "build it and they will come" and "ignore the pussy" mentality towards getting hot girls and in the USA at least, that is bad advice.

That's not the rp advice, it's the advice from idiots that have to justify their fear from rejection. Honestly we had several threads and stickies about them but they won't go away.

Also they misuse the pedestal thing.

Here is the real advice simple and fast: work on inner game, approach, trial and error, game is the external representation of your inner frame.

a guy without half of the knowledge you have is getting a lot more sex than you, fucking loser.

I highly doubt this.

"you need to find a purpose in life and sex with hot girls is not that great"

Sex is great and all that but what are you going to do with the other 21 hours god gifted us everyday?

max_peenor · 2015-08-28T06:31:53+00:00

Truth is that the red pill simply overestimates how amazing the guys who sleep with hot girls actually are.

Chad is a fictional character. He sleeps with all the hot chicks. No one is underestimating anything.

So you have one guy who makes a nice salary, saves lives, drives a nice car, and is well educated

That's not Chad. He's BB. What the hell? You haven't been paying attention at all. He is a cow to be milked. He does not create the tingles.

I have had sex with attractive girls, and it feels fucking amazing.

Sure thing. 8" dick too, right?

This one ranks 0.0000000000001/10. Take lessons.

buartha · 2015-08-28T08:37:20+00:00

Only difference between guys that have sex with hot girls vs guys that don't is that the ones who have sex with hot girls structured their lives to where they can have sex with hot girls.

This is very true from what I've observed. One of my friends did a theatre studies degree, and since he was the only heterosexual male around a bunch of excitable hot women he got laid to a mind boggling degree despite being about average looking. Women like men who are fun to be around, and if you share a fun hobby with them that can only be a plus. Ofc, my friend doesn't have that much of a career, but he still has hot FwBs on tap years after undergrad and since he's not that ambitious he seems to be pretty happy with his life by all accounts.

Sepean · 2015-08-28T09:39:53+00:00

You misunderstood TRP.

At the core of your misunderstanding is that you think that attitude and actions should match completely. TRP tells you to make this about improving yourself and not about getting hot girls. This is 100% true. You should make this about yourself. You should improve for your own sake. You should not be needy, or do it to impress girls. Do it for you.

That does not mean you shouldn't do the things you can do to increase your exposure and attractiveness to hot girls. Just do it without the "girls are so amazing, I'm doing it for them" attitude.

Also, you come across as someone who just had sex with a hot girl for the first time and is blown away by the experience. Good for you, but don't expect it to remain that amazing.

alreadyredschool · 2015-08-28T10:17:08+00:00

Agreed.

If you want to live a life based on fucking tonnes of different hot girls, rather than trying to be muscular and successful, be really social and meet tonnes of girls in fun situations.

This is one of the ways TRP just does not match my experiences.

nomdplume · 2015-08-28T11:56:17+00:00

The red pill has a "build it and they will come" and "ignore the pussy" mentality towards getting hot girls and in the USA at least, that is bad advice.

Fifth highest post of all time.

Truth is that the red pill simply overestimates how amazing the guys who sleep with hot girls actually are.

The rule is the top 20%, honestly not that high.

Only difference between guys that have sex with hot girls vs guys that don't is that the ones who have sex with hot girls structured their lives to where they can have sex with hot girls.

Not 100% sure what you're getting at but it might be a good idea. You should flesh it out and post it to /r/theredpill.

What I find even more pathetic is how the red pill downplays the amazing experience of sex with hot girls.

I don't think this really conflates with any red pill theory. Redpillschool seems to think it's pretty sweet.

nomdplume · 2015-08-28T17:15:58+00:00

What I find even more pathetic is how the red pill downplays the amazing experience of sex with hot girls.

I, personally, will only have sex with hot girls. I've always been that way (with a few exceptions, which I like to refer to as moments of "demonic possession", lol).

I will absolutely go home alone rather than go home with someone who isn't particularly attractive to me.

Are other guys different? Sure. I know guys who operate directly opposite of how I operate, but there is no "typical" when it comes to such questions. Some guys are "quantity over quality" and some are "quality over quantity."

And RP is useful to both such characters.

Amazongkong · 2015-08-28T05:25:49+00:00

100% spot on, I used to work as an engineer in a town where most of the population were married families, elderly, and high school kids. The region I was in also had a lot of unattractive women and things like cold approach and running game would not fly so well there. I was in amazing shape, had the cash to throw around, drove a nice car, and was an outgoing person but it led nowhere. Most of the women I was coming across were very ugly and out of shape.

Ended up saying fuck it and moved to Southern California, still struggled at first here until I found some activities like dancing that I started fucking some hot girls that are of the quality you see in porn from Bangbros and Reality Kings (ya I still watch that shit).

Over the years I have seen skinny hipsters with tattoos date hot blondes with nice racks, guys with bad body odor that DJ parties date hot girls with nice bodies, and guys with average looking faces but athletic bodies date tight fitness sluts with pretty faces because they got into that scene. All the while I have met: sexless doctors who were in great shape (Asian and Indian men tend to really fit this image), stressed out bankers who made lots of money but struggled with women, and good looking guys who had a nice salary end up as sexless and single.

Since the red pill refuses to really give this sort of advice, I have started to not take them as seriously as I once did.

DaThrowaway808 · 2015-08-28T05:44:32+00:00

I would imagine the average demographic of a red piller is sometime after college. What is the point of telling a 30 year old guy, "well you should of joined a frat 10 year ago to bang hot girls". YOU don't even give an example of how to bang hot girls in the same point in time.

PrimePussyOverRancid · 2015-08-28T08:56:30+00:00

the ones who have sex with hot girls structured their lives to where they can have sex with hot girls ... the guys who actually have sex with hot girls made all the right choices to help themselves in that situation. A lot of these guys picked the right cities, went into the right side jobs or even the right careers that cater to guys who want to fuck hot girls, and they built a lifestyle overtime that resulted in them coming across a lot of hot girls.

Only worthwhile part of OP's post IMO. Rest is misinformed.

Living next to a large uni was a calculated move on my part. New Prime Pussy every year 😁

Archwinger · 2015-08-28T10:10:59+00:00

I don't think TRP seriously advocates getting buff and just sitting on your hands waiting for girls to come to you. You still have to go out and approach women, engage them, and recognize that you may need to approach dozens of them to get a single positive result.

You're right that there aren't that many posts about the logistics, though. Arranging your life, as you put it. I think because most people who don't live in caves meet girls occasionally, so what to do and how to be is the area they suffer at most.

blametheboogie · 2015-08-28T10:13:28+00:00

I completely agree with you, this is why some of the guys on other rp sites recommended studying pua techniques too, especially if you're past college age and are no longer surrounded by available women.

Pua is better at helping you figure out where to go and what to do when you get there for maximum results.

The naturals I know spend lots of time doing activities that put them around women and trp doesn't stress this enough, I think it's because most of trp is college aged men.

redmachines · 2015-08-28T14:54:17+00:00

If the RP just works then this sub reddit wouldn't exist and all other dating advice would be purged.The fact that this reddit does exist, means that it doesn't work. There would be nothing to debate if its potency isn't backed up with hard science.

thebroathlete · 2015-08-28T06:11:56+00:00

This is one of the best critiques of the red pill I've seen on this sub, if not the best. Red Pill, at the end of the day is taking weak men and trying to make them middle ground by pretending to be great. There's some very useful stuff but ZERO natural alphas are there. There are ZERO natural alphas commenting on reddit and no amount of sidebar is going to turn you into a natural.

Maoist-Pussy · 2015-08-28T05:11:26+00:00

Why do you need so much validation from the sexless losers over at the red pill??

buttlollipop · 2015-08-28T05:44:36+00:00

Well, this is...strongly worded.

I don't disagree with you on how someone's life situation (college vs. workplace, etc) can impact their access to sex or relationships at all, and perhaps TRP downplays this, especially when telling guys that no matter HOW OLD they get they can have their pick of hot women--more and more each year--as long as they're X enough. (Interesting? Rich? Good looking? Sorry, but no guys is that good looking in his 50s, minus movie stars). Of course some more reasonable guys admit that men do decline with age but a lot insist it never happens.

What I wonder personally is that (since both genders are pretty shallow) how much of red pillers' success comes down to the fact that they got in great shape, dressed better, and just started taking care of themselves. I'm sure it's not 100% of it, but I'd venture that's a huge part of it.

Niess · 2015-08-28T13:23:40+00:00

The Red Pill works because of 4 things.

self improvement
do new things
the Fail hard, fail fast, fail cheap, fail often mentality
Being strong and firm (this one is like a boss vs a leader)
If you are a boss you are doing it wrong, come off like an asshole but it works. If you are a leader you are doing it right, come off strong, respectable well liked by everybody.

Everything else about the red pill i have found to be horrible,
it is hindering you from making real relationships that are worth it, it gives you a bad reputation that makes you constantly move friend circles, gets drinkings thrown in your face, etc..

[deleted] · 2015-08-28T13:18:22+00:00

And this is exactly why the world is in the state it's in. Honestly women should be proud of the guys they sleep in. I don't take any lay I have as a greater prize because it's just pussy. Sure a HB8 is nice to look at but at the end of the day its just my meat stick go in and out of her meat pocket.

If you have to brag about your past lays then you are pathetic. Make your accomplishments look effortless.

LUClEN · 2015-08-28T13:23:49+00:00

Only difference between guys that have sex with hot girls vs guys that don't is that the ones who have sex with hot girls structured their lives to where they can have sex with hot girls.

Crucial. Friend of mine in college chose to live right beside campus, even though it meant he'd have roommates, just so he'd be nearby and easily pull from the school pub. Worked like a charm.

RPmatrix · 2015-08-28T13:41:15+00:00

to most people the surgeon obviously has a higher SMV but guess who's actually getting sex from attractive women? It's definitely not the surgeon!

BUT the surgeon doesn't have a higher SMV and/or good Game OR he would be banging hotties IF he has the time/inclination!

You can say they put "pussy on the pedestal" but the guys who actually have sex with hot girls made all the right choices to help themselves in that situation. A lot of these guys picked the right cities, went into the right side jobs or even the right careers that cater to guys who want to fuck hot girls, and they built a lifestyle overtime that resulted in them coming across a lot of hot girls.

What's new? You sound like you're trying to re-invent the wheel!

I know I come off as mad but this part of the red pill attacking men who talk about how enjoyable sex with hot girls is with shit like "you need to find a purpose in life and sex with hot girls is not that great"

IS exactly what I DID 30+YEARS ago, waaay before TRP, and this IS 'correct', and when you then say;

is pure coping coming from some sexless overweight neckbeard.

Is when I KNOW that's what YOU are, and are one of those people who "couldn't be bothered putting in ALL that HARD RP effort" just to get chicks, which is WHY you say;

but (which NEGATES ALL that is said before it) you have to admit that all of the advice on your sub about getting sex with hot girls fucking sucks.

LOL, you 've gotta be IN it to win it bro!

It sucks for You becoz ONLY YOU CAN DO IT, and you can't follow TRP ideaology sitting at home and speculating about it on PPD!

and so wooo! All that post to tell us you fucked a girl! wow! Most animals succeed with that, and once you've fucked 50+HB+'s *you then might understand why

"you need to find a purpose in life as sex with hot girls all the time is not that great"

IMHO this IS The Truth, for sex isn't that big a deal, Especially to guys who can get it whenever they want. (without paying for it either)

There are heaps of women out there but not many guys with the Game needed to either get OR keep/spin them! The guys with a decent SMV and Great Game pull 9's like average guys pull 1's

Cyralea · 2015-08-28T14:19:51+00:00

You're not as misguided as most BP'ers are, but your understanding is still off.

It's not that TRP states that all pussy is the same, nor does TRP suggest that you build value and simply wait for your gravitational field to pull the pussy in. TRP states that no one chick is special; that HB9 you want to fuck isn't special. She's hot, but she's not the only hot girl. Don't pedestalize her or treat her like she's special.

Regarding finding women, that's not ignored either. Why do you think there's an emphasis on learning approach, and day-gaming? Why do you think there's advice on learning how to pull Tinder sluts? Outside of a frat, these are two excellent sources of finding fresh prospects.

You can sit on your ass and recite sexual theory on a Friday night but the fact is that a guy without half of the knowledge you have is getting a lot more sex than you, fucking loser

You presume a lot here. A lot of the guys giving the advice are fucking lots of women. Secondly, while naturals may be good at what they do, they're not necessarily the best at instructing others how to do the same. The best teachers are those that went through the learning process themselves.

Lastly, the head mod has repeatedly stated that there's nothing wrong with wanting to fuck the hottest girls just for the sake of it. It's pretty well endorsed.

nomdplume · 2015-08-28T15:28:43+00:00

As others have said...IMO, game and frame are the keys to a truly amazing sex life.

Looks/wealth are fantastic assets that can make it much easier, for sure, but they are neither predominant nor required, IME.

On the other hand, looks and wealth are accessible to anyone who is motivated, and they have benefits way beyond the sphere of sex, so there is no reason to not pursue those as well.

zephyrprime · 2015-08-28T16:17:00+00:00

I concur. Being a sleazeball gets you more women (both hot and not) than being high smv does. The guys at redpill are just playing into the beta provider mindset by focusing so much on smv.

Redpill lacks a lot of field experience. That is one of the big differences between it and the pua forums. Without a focus on field experience, the place just becomes full of keyboard jockeys.

gregariousnefarious · 2015-08-28T16:34:21+00:00

This reminds me of a moment a couple weeks ago when I went to buy my 4k TV (heart it). The dude who tried to steer the transaction was buff as hell, flexed a lot and tried to be all manly, flirty, and dominant during the conversation. I decided he was annoying as hell and went to talk with an older, chill dude who was actually helpful. The painfully TRP ish approach of dude #1 screamed "I lift weights I'm obviously attractive but thirsty" was overbearing. Learn to not be a freak around women, even a steam engine of muscles and forced manliness is awkward if you're afraid of women

gregariousnefarious · 2015-08-28T16:34:21+00:00

This reminds me of a moment a couple weeks ago when I went to buy my 4k TV (heart it). The dude who tried to steer the transaction was buff as hell, flexed a lot and tried to be all manly, flirty, and dominant during the conversation. I decided he was annoying as hell and went to talk with an older, chill dude who was actually helpful. The painfully TRP ish approach of dude #1 screamed "I lift weights I'm obviously attractive but thirsty" was overbearing. Learn to not be a freak around women, even a steam engine of muscles and forced manliness is awkward if you're afraid of women

99_Problem · 2015-08-28T23:06:01+00:00

What the fuck are you talking about?

Yeah, you have to socialize in order to meet people - some of them women, some of whom may want to have sex with you. No shit! Thanks for the deep insight.

Using fiction in attempt to support your presented facts is stupid.

[deleted] · 2015-08-29T14:17:43+00:00

I bet surgeons fuck their nursing staff all the time.

winndixie · 2015-08-31T18:46:39+00:00

Lol yeah true, most rps are neckbeards.

Title	Why the red pill's advice on getting sex from hot girls is completely wrong.
Author	thebroathlete
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Date	August 28, 2015 4:59 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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