Red Pillers: If the entire world took the red pill, what would change for men and women? Would women benefit?

Petticoat_Rule · 2015-01-13T04:34:27+00:00

Don't we already have evidence of what would happen? Look at what happened in Afghanistan when the Taliban took over.

That's exactly what would happen if everyone took the red pill.

The red pill thinks:

Woman's submission demonstrates her man's alphaness and masculinity
Men are not interested or attracted to intelligence in women. Women think like teenagers anyway.
Women should not have sex outside of marriage (or at least, not more than two LTRs)
Women should marry young and not have careers
Women should be severely limited to any rights when they divorce

CAN YOU IMAGINE?

We'd go backwards so fast our heads would spin. The economy, everything. We'd become what Afghanistan did, minus the religion.

[deleted] · 2015-01-13T01:36:09+00:00

Considering some of the sentiments I've seen (marital rape is fine, beating a woman for being annoying is fine, impregnate and leave, murder her for cheating even if you have no evidence) I think it'd be kinda scary.

Some of this is true in parts of the world already, and peaceful attempts to fight against it are often met with overwhelming violence and I think that is awful. Honour killings, repeated marital rape and beatings are disgusting and I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Being denied education due to your gender is wrong.

You can call me a SJW or "fucked up" for thinking that a more equal world is better than a patriarchal world, but I think it is irresponsible and insecure to assert that another group of people that are genetically different from you deserve to be subjugated, controlled and pushed down for simply being there.

Obviously that isn't true of all of TRP and I went on a mini rant, but some of the vocal opinions there are particularly extreme and frightening for a woman.

Cyralea · 2015-01-12T18:56:36+00:00

Women would still chase the top 20%, who would be hyper-alphas. The competition would simply be more fierce.

exit_sandman · 2015-01-12T18:48:12+00:00

Some version of proto redpill mindset is pretty much the default mode for all more or less patriarchal societies, i.e. the rest of the world.

The red pill as a theory is specifically tailored for a society strongly impacted by feminism.

Denswend · 2015-01-12T19:56:22+00:00

Foreword: since OP had not specified conditions of entire world taking red pill, I will put following assumptions : everyone took RP instantly, and by everyone I mean both men and women, and the RP is the RP, not BP perceived RP.

Feminist sexual revolution is response to traditional and regulated sex market. TRP is sexual revolution for men as a response to feminist sexual revolution. RPW is sexual revolution for women as a response to TRP. Both TRP and RPW agree on the fact that men and women behave differently - AWALT and AMALT are highly offensive (thus entryism preventing) assumptions from which both work, a gender specific advice the mainstream won't cover due to authoritative egalitarianism currently happening. In truth, all wo/men are like "that", the degrees of their "thatness" varying from cultural indoctrination/specific biological individualism, but the core principle still standing (bar the occasional grotesque mutations) - men and women behave differently when it comes to gender specific (well duh, otherwise it wouldn't be gender specific) standards and strategies and desires. AW/MALT is an unnecessary tautology, only here for practical and cosmetic reasons - the added "disgust" from the mainstream preventing entryism being a bonus. The T in AW/MALT stands simply for the potentiality of hypergamous/polygamous and gender specific behaviour is present in any wo/man - it may be hidden through cultural norms and harsh egalitarianism, or it may be revealed in "social libertarianism", it is still there. RP presupposes gender differences, and from this gender differences follows that wo/man nature is X/Y. It then follows that "liberated" men and women will act more in accordance with Y/X than "notliberated" men and women - this is how it is rationalized to reconcile the dissonance between different cultures and hardcore biological Calvinism. Essentially, a Women's Studies American girl will have the same impulses as the rural Eastern European girl, despite the fact that the latter will not act on them.

This hammering on about AWALT and AMALT is important because it reveals the following fact - Red pill advice is socially constructed and thus artificial. The degree of "truth" of AW/MALT is the degree of which it is observed and practical The thread about a genuine RPW not wanting part of TRP men is a proof of that. Like all social constructs, the degree of their "truth" is the degree of how world is logically explained using them as assumptions, with implication that "truth of postulate" is in direct correlation with the practicality of its application. The actual truth of the postulate (that the postulate is false or partially true) is meaningless and irrelevant if it cannot cause any increase in practicality. If there is a better postulate, it replaces the other instantly. And by better I mean more practical and more observable.

RP ideas are born from deconstruction of masculinity/liberation of sexual market and then, and only then they present themselves in an artificial and scientific (TRP does not claim to be modus ponens for pussy, the phrasing in PUA is sciency sounding, and this is the reason) way. They present themselves to men who need them - much like a person who can walk does not need crutches, but a cripple does. RP ideas are illusions which when repeated enough become truth for the person who is into it ("fake it till you make it"). Men try to "get" into "abundance mentality" because men who have abundance mentality (without RP) get pussy. An alpha with RP is a fake alpha. A beta with RP is a fake beta. Attraction cannot be negotiated, true, but attractiveness can definitely be faked. To put it more metaphorically : A person who embraces the RP is like a cripple who wants to fool people that he can walk. *The underlying notion that there exists a degree of ableism in women is deliciously ironic. If a woman wants to get the best walker, the last thing she wants is a fake one. RP also makes a implication, though very very silent one, of a man's nature - by looking at what RP work to achieve, and not what they say to work to achieve, you can instantly realize that the goal of TRP is maximizing alpha, minimizing beta - getting maximum amount of pussy while "paying" the minimum amount. The worst case scenario possible is the reverse. Spinning plates is infinitely more preferably for being a no-sex beta bux. I think we had the r/K discussion recently. TRP is male r parasitism.

The opposite side also makes silent implication of female nature, while largely working on male nature since they want men, and not women. For them, the worst possible case is maximizing their physical investment, while minimizing commitment. Being a plate is worst case scenario for a RPW, and it happens quite often that I've seen women who get plated get told exactly this, and wandering man who encourages them to put out on first date be banned on spot. A RPW as a sex strategy makes no sense (like TRP as commitment and friendship strategy doesn't make sense), so RPW works as "commitment strategy". In order to get a man to commit, a woman must work on something else than purely her physical abilities, yet remaining practical enough to understand that her physical attractiveness is the crucial element. More specifically, she must capitalize on her youth and beauty, and supplant it with behaviours which will get men to commit. Hence, CC riding is discouraged as CC riding women don't usually commit (if they do, they're no longer riding CC). They are told to demonstrate loyalty by not pursuing sexually liberated behaviour in forms of promiscuous sex. Keeping with the metaphor - if her man falls when he should be walking, she is encouraged to go against her nature to find a better walker, and act as a crutch until his legs get better. In truth, submissive behaviour of women is not something that should be encouraged - but it's something that men find attractive. Just like dickish behaviour of TRP. That gets her both her alpha (since she found him, and is by definition attracted to him) and him to commit to her. Getting an alpha to commit is the hardest challenge women face. So you can see that RPW is by definition negation of social liberation of women for the purpose of getting a good relationship. This negation comes through feedback of TRP men.

Now this is the crucial part, we've established that RP framework is a social construct, and we've established that RP ideas are "true" as long as people are "socially liberated", and we've established that TRP maximally and without shame or guilt liberates men to plate, while RPW puts restraints on feminine hypergamous tendencies so they don't get plated. The end result is TRP ideas and techniques no longer being "true" as women are aware of them, and know how to screen for men who employ them only to maximize getting pussy (the cads who pump'n'dump). The men, still desperate for pussy, turn to other strategies and abandon TRP which ceases to be true as the truth of TRP is defined through its success of getting pussy. The men silently compromise with women to make single man-single woman monogamy (like marriage). This contract is then institutionalized, and any "unfairness" of it is prevented to be observed by lack of breaching it due to socially repressive nature of RPW.

The entire world taking red pill is somewhat anti-inductive. Things that when you understand them, get more complicated, then you have to re-understand them again, then get more complicated until you finally don't understand them are anti-inductive. For example, market is anti inductive. Suppose you found a pattern in the stock market. For example, it always went down on Tuesdays, then up on Wednesdays. Then you could buy lots of stock Tuesday evening, when it was low, and sell it Wednesday, when it was high, and be assured of making free money.But lots of people want free money, so lots of people will try this plan. There will be so much demand for stock on Tuesday evening that there won’t be enough stocks to fill it all. Desperate buyers will bid up the prices. Meanwhile, on Wednesday, everyone will sell their stocks at once, causing a huge glut and making prices go down. This will continue until the trend of low prices Tuesday, high prices Wednesday disappears.

RP is exactly the same.

Would women benefit

Nope. Women wouldn't benefit from being socially repressed, and neither would men. Our poor GLO would now have to settle with one gal when he could have had a harem of hot 18 year olds. He now has to work to support himself, his wife, and their children, when he could have used all that money to decorate his man-cave with state of the art technology and his desires.

Not slutting it up is hard. Not fucking every pussy you can is hard. But women don't benefit from hitting the wall and finding that their beta bux provider is the State, and only through financial means, being alone during their old age and watching how men fuck other, younger girls without pardon. Men don't benefit from trying hard to be someone they're not just to get pussy that turns stale the moment they get it, otherwise being resigned to lonely masturbation nights while Chad Thundercock is pounding his crushes. Young women are repressed and alphas are restrained so the selfish betas can get what they feel entitled to while they really aren't and old wrinkly women feel entitled to what they don't deserve.

Reginleifer · 2015-01-12T23:12:04+00:00

You'd have a massive collection of post wall women absolutely losing their shit over the lack of beta bux's to con into a McMarriage. They'd lobby for government-mandated marriage lotteries where wealthy men's names are thrown into a hopper, and he is picked at random to support a random fat, aging single mother and her spawn.

But in seriousness, we'd probably see the emergance of a bachelor tax.

YaBoiTibzz · 2015-01-13T02:19:43+00:00

I don't think women would be happier since TRP takes a very harsh view of them compared with the perpetual victimhood status that they enjoy in mainstream culture currently. Especially if the hypothetical situation is one of the current highly-feminized society transitioning into one where RP philosophy dominates, women would be very resentful then since they would remember and miss the privileges that they had under feminism (whether they were deserved or not). If we're talking about a world where feminism just never happened (or never took off) then I'm not so sure since people wouldn't have a reference point then.

I do believe a lot of men would be better off however. In the current system many men feel that they must accede to the demands of women, the risk of being cut off from sex and facing the loneliness/insecurity of being single again is just too much. Most long-term relationships I have seen in my age group (early-mid 20's) the female holds all the cards as the male knows who has more to lose from a breakup given how easily a young, attractive woman can branch-swing on to another guy.

A TRP mindset flips that balance of power around as the male no longer fears a breakup and does not care much whether he is single or not, allowing him to bargain with women from a much more powerful position than before. If this happened on a society-wide scale women would be much more willing to compromise and more careful in how emotional they get with their partners, knowing there is a risk that he will decide she's not worth the hassle and next her.

usobitter · 2015-01-12T18:39:58+00:00

sees a group of men talking about being men with men Hey guys! I see youre talking about men being men with men about men, let me ask you...I am a woman, WHAT ABOUT MEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!??????

Villaintine · 2015-01-12T19:58:34+00:00

Worldwide open acceptance of TRP principles would only result once the message had been watered down and the language softened to the point that the whole thing would consist of platitudes. At that point it'd be entirely useless.

twopumpkins · 2015-01-12T20:16:40+00:00

Competition would be even harsher for men however getting commitment with a high value alpha man would be even harder than it already is for women. Since all men would know about things like AF/BB and the cock carousel men would be much more hesitant to get married. So basically, both parties would get less of what they really want.

[deleted] · 2015-01-13T05:37:40+00:00

Well, if women adhered to RP philosophy they would be happy in a RP relationship, so I guess yes they would benefit?

[deleted] · 2015-01-13T09:58:36+00:00

If women never slept with assholes there would be no assholes.

LeGrandDiableBlanc · 2015-01-13T17:48:54+00:00

The mistake everyone is going to make is to assume that a TRP society entails some fascist state to force people to do certain things. TRP is a mindset, or a set of social theories, not a dogmatic set of iron rules that the state is going to make everyone follow. The world 'swallowing the red pill" would be similar in logical structure as to having a society change its beliefs about human psychology from pure Freudian psychology to a model based on Neuroscience--or from believing in Newtonian physics, then adapting to Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. None of these things entail governmental structures, laws, etc. They're merely differing models of reality.

All of that said, the only things that would change, would be people's perspectives. Now, as people's perceptions change, they may then opt to change the law.

For a vast majority of Red Pill Men (In the modern 'West', the only culture with which I am familiar enough to comment) the only things that I can see changing would be:

Prenuptial agreements would always be valid.
No fault divorces would not be possible, or if they were, they would not entail the same requirements for alimony as a faulted divorce would.
Paternity testing would be mandatory on all born children where a father is named.
Legal Paternal Surrender would be allowed: a man would have up to a certain amount of time (arguably the same amount of time a women is eligible for pregnancy termination) to surrender all responsibilities and rights to their child.

The big changes would be social; the way teachers interact with students, the way parents teach their children, courting expectations, etc. This would follow from the change in beliefs about reality. Maybe a disruptive young boy would be sent to the gym to run laps instead of being sent to detention for being restless. A young girl who, of her own volition, did not like to participate in class discussions would not be assumed to have mental issues, and would be given other opportunities to prove knowledge of the subjects she's supposed to be learning. It would all be related to shifting behavioral expectations of other people.

I also happen to believe (as if it is even a controversial thing) that social structures either make sense or not given the environment it's being applied to. So, to take a developing country and apply exactly the same laws and social structures as a developed Western country would be a disaster. There are technological, infrastructure, social, and resource based requirements for many forms of social organization, such as liberal social-democracy. Consequently, it may even make sense for a country with dwindling populations to enforce monogamy, or for a country with little infrastructure to ban foods that spoil easily in their given environment.

winndixie · 2015-01-14T23:03:49+00:00

Who cares what would change for men and women? And who cares if men or women benefit? I need my needs met first. Once that happens, the rest of the world is a priority.

l_____o_____l · 2015-01-12T19:37:49+00:00

Marriage would cease to exist.

Casual sex would practically cease to exist. Any woman who took part it in would be shunned. Rape would skyrocket.

Poverty rates, child deaths, abortion rate and suicide rate would leap to unseen heights.

namae_nanka · 2015-01-12T22:00:54+00:00

Would women benefit?

Of course, since feminism would be dead.

Title	Red Pillers: If the entire world took the red pill, what would change for men and women? Would women benefit?
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Date	January 12, 2015 5:59 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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