To have kids or not

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January 13, 2020

This message is probably for the older guys here or guys who already have kids. I'm in my 30s. From a physical and material standpoint I have everything a guy needs. Multiple plates, multiple homes, multiple businesses, I'm ripped as hell, etc. Yet, I'm at a crossroad in my life. I am approaching 40 in a couple years. I never had any kids. I just don't want to get myself into a family and dread my life but at the same time, I would love to leave a legacy and pass on my genes. I just dont want to knock up the wrong chick and risk my own well being. If I were to have a child, I want to give them every advantage I can. I want them to be good looking, smart, and be educated in upper class fashion (private schools and tutors) so that this upbringing can increase their probability of success (network with rich kids, privy to privilege and information reserved for the rich)p. I've even considered surrogates and buying eggs as from a financial standpoint it is safer. Nonetheless I will still need someone to help me raise them.

Alternatively, I could say fuck it and just enjoy my life because scenario 1 seems like a lot of fucking work not to mention what if the kids turn out to be duds who just leach off me?

I would also love to hear from guys who do not have kids and older and what life is like. Most of the older friends I have, have had kids. They just happen to be affluent and divorced their wives and do whatever the fuck they want. I never worry about that. However, they still have a kid.

It is more I realize women, she is never yours, just your turn, I dont want to invest so much into a "wife" just to have it blow up in my face because they had a change of heart. I've been married before and I've been in LTRs. Women can be a pain in the fucking ass. May be being raised in a traditional Chinese background my mind has been conditioned to pass on the family name? Red pill has helped me say fuck that to tradition but that part of me still exists.

Some advice would be appreciated.

Tldr: not sure if I should have a kid or not

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Title To have kids or not
Author amwfhunter
Upvotes 98
Comments 199
Date 13 January 2020 09:24 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy

Be nice. You’re hurting my feelings.

[–]LazerSpin28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy

You still have feelings? I guess you are just not Alpha enough /s

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

A majority of our audience wants an authority to agree with them. That's the antithesis of TRP, and we're not here to say blue pill goals can be achieved with TRP.

Upvotes are a poor indicator.

[–]MyRedGlasses23 points24 points  (24 children) | Copy

the happiest people on the planet embrace a life in service to others

I'm assuming this differs from the "nice Guy" aspect, due to the nature of providing a service, rather than doing so for self-gains associated with the "nice guy" syndrome?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seems accurate

[–]Sin-Silver2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

A nice guy provides a service because he wants something in return, love, affection, sex etc. It's not really giving if your expecting something in return.

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[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil11 points12 points  (19 children) | Copy

If you don't immediately understand why Jordan Peterson is antagonistic to the Red Pill, your a complete retard. Maybe you haven't seen his shrew of a wife or whore of a daughter but those are just symptoms.

The big issue is that Peterson's message is to reintegrate young men into the system without acknowledging the systemic causes that caused their despondency. AA functions exactly the same way it doesn't ask why their are so many alcoholics only that Individual alcoholics take responsibility for systemic issues they did not create..

So here's what's going to happen now. You are going to give me a detailed explanation on why the fuck you are promoting Jordan Cuckerson on the Red Pill after we spent years and many many stickies pulling boys away from his blue pills.

[–]topopox1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'll interject for a while for the sake of it.

If you don't immediately understand why Jordan Peterson is antagonistic to the Red Pill, your a complete retard.

Not necessarily though, while Peterstein offers a Purple Pill covered in Red coating, you are not taking into account that most of normies can't see the problems with the system as you are pointing out. And this is because said system malleable and changes form as it creates new problems and fake solutions to keep the automatons plugged to the matrix. And while not immediately obvious, the doctor certainly provided a gateway for a lot of people to the deeper truths.

The only sad thing that I see on this interaction is that /u/stickfiguresk is completely sold on Peterson. Specially considering that the guy is a depressive drug addict with a daughter that behaves like the thot's that MGTOW always cries about. If he's not questioning and accepting his snake oil wholesale, then truthfully he deserved to be spanked by GLO. Those are the Red Pills everyone on this sub should be paying attention to. And that's when I will agree that he's a Complete Retard.

Now, onto the original comment by the Endorsed Contributor. I totally approve having children, but make sure that you're always lifting too. :)

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[–]ModTheRedPike[M] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I've done more for This sub than you.

I don't even know who the fuck you are.

No I'm not GLO.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy

Jungian psychology is Gnosticism pretending to by psychoanalysis. Peterson is not the living authority on the collective unconscious because if he was he wouldn't be binging antidepressants as his daughters asshole gets hammered by penises not belonging to her husband.

What you failed to explain to me is why are you promoting Peterson when all of the main writers of the Red Pill (who disagree on many many things) collectively worked to pull our audience away from him?

Are all of us wrong? If so give us a detailed explanation as to why we are wrong. Uncritically repeateding Petersons misquotes of Jung are not a valid defense of why he should belong on the Red Pill.

Nihlism poisons everything yet what you are advocating isn't an overcoming but a regression to Christianity which nietzche is very critical of as a slave morality.

So please explain to me why you are promoting Christianity and the ideas of Antichristian Nietzche concurrently.

[–]Battagliare0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Jungian psychology is Gnosticism pretending to by psychoanalysis.

Jungian Psychology is a step towards spirituality which is still alive in Far Eastern Religions. Why do you think its Gnostic ?

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[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy

Within the context of this conversation Roosh's opinions are irrelevant. I'm interested in seeing your justifications for your many contradictons.

While it would be easy to write you off a self contradicting tard I am giving you the opportunity to explain yourself here and now.

It has been my experience band the experience of the ECs here that Petercucks follow Peterson blindly and are incapable of providing their own justifications, preferring to mindlessly ape Peterson.

Through your response you are going to prove to me your mental faculty. If you are incapable of that I'll just go with my original assumption.

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[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy

I owe you nothing. You seek to distract me with insults because you are too stupid to defend your position.

We're going to pull your tag and ban you.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

I have no idea how or who ever tagged you, but it's reserved nowadays for contributors, which is probably why you aren't tagged on the main sub.

To see this ego defense is also massively unbecoming of the tag.

To attack the idea - modern nihilism has cures other than servitude. The monotheistic belief that only a return to the indentured servitude of marriage and children can cure it doesn't pass muster for me. And I say this as someone who wants to have children.

To me, building transcendence through a concrete understanding of the Self and your cultural ancestry is the way. However, I won't concede that ability to function in the sexual marketplace is an inherent aspect of this, and that means attracting and selfishly pursuing casual sex first.

[–]ejaculatingphallus5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. OP should just do it.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

What the fuck is this shit? Did you lose your mind? How is this redpilled at all?

Nevermind. God is driving now, isn't he?

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[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Then you're no longer on the right sub.

[–]silent_dominant1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you want to make yourself happy through service of others. Adopt.

No reason to be a selfish little bitch and put a kid on this planet just so he can stroke your frail little ego.

[–]PerryWinkleTheThird1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think it’s especially important for those who don’t really have any passion at work. There might be some who devote their time to their work, starting huge companies, creating brilliant art, etc. Many people don’t really have a purpose pushing them on though. They just take jobs to make money so they can get by and consume. I think being a parent would help give any person a real “purpose” to work towards. You are no longer saving money for hedonistic reasons. You’re saving money to make other people, your kids, happy. Supporting yourself, and giving back what you don’t need to help others. I think the most enlightened people realize that this concept can extend to all people, not just their children.

[–]creamynebula0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for the sober commentary in a very sad thread.

[–]RevolutionaryPea70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I agree with you but I think the Stoics say it better when they say it is important to be useful. Having a family certainly makes you useful but it is not the only way. It will also not last forever. There comes a time in any parent's life where they cease to be useful to their children and even become a burden. If, on the other hand, you commit to being useful in some capacity despite any factors out of your control, you will always be happy.

[–]TheGillos-5 points-4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Start a charity? If OP loaded he could do more for his legacy and help a lot more, in a more controlled way, via a private charity.

Passing on genes is an interesting consideration though. I'm back and forth on whether that's really important or not.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Like build a school in my name? My cousin did that, rather my uncle did it for him. He is 12 lol. My uncle is like in his 60s and still having it did make me think.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

[–]AnAbsoluteSith2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

The fact that you're being down-voted speaks volumes.

It never seems to occur to anyone with the "legacy" argument that they can do greater good in the world by giving to others.

At the end of the day, passing on genes and leaving a legacy (in the form of procreating) is just narcissism. Your genes aren't special and you're not an emperor who needs to worry about succession (and even then the argument can be made that the Romans named their successors; it wasn't automatically their children to succeed them).

[–]TheGillos2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Meh, OP saw it and commented, so I don't really care about the downvotes haha. Thanks though, I thought my suggestion was on point.

[–]PrettyBarbiePerson112 points113 points  (37 children) | Copy

Kids will fill you with something no woman or material item can

[–]amwfhunter[S] 21 points22 points  (36 children) | Copy

So do you have kids and do you pay for them yourself?

[–]PrettyBarbiePerson37 points38 points  (35 children) | Copy

I’m telling you they will feel you with emotions that women and material items can’t

That is fact

I am letting you know that

I could look at averages for how much children cost per year, or you could.

I’ve read that children can cost ~250k total

If you are doing really well and have 50k for the first few years while keeping the other 200k invested I don’t see any financial issue

Look into the private schools you want to send them to, get those prices

I don’t see why it should be a financial burden on a red pilled man who has had a few years to implement it and work on his career .

From your post it seems you are fine and you are looking for a different mission.

Kids are your legacy unless you’ve built a massive empire like Disney or something

If you want kids you should have them.

Being there for them is the biggest thing, not being home for work for the majority of the child’s life will lead to heartbreaking regret.

When you have children it isn’t the money that matters

[–]WolfofAllStreetz8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

I pay $17k in daycare alone a year.

[–]PrettyBarbiePerson11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dude just pay for somebody from Asia to come live in your house and take care of your kids while teaching them a second language

That would be like half that

[–]amwfhunter[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

The going rate for agencies is about 1500 to 2000 a it is comparable. Except u get them for more hours.

[–]amwfhunter[S] -1 points0 points  (31 children) | Copy

I just dont feel like raising them. I know the cost of private schools. Believe me, I've even thought about hiring a maid or nanny to help raise them and they will tell the kids from day 1 what an amazing man I am so they will have this hero image of me, kinda like how some moms tell their kids about their dead father so my kids wont end up hating me for not being there. I just do not want the hassle of dealing with the kid. My dad was an absent father but wasnt so rich to deal with us like that. My uncle is rich as hell and has multiple wives lol but his kids are leeches and spoiled. It isnt the financial burden either. It is more if it is worth giving up my lifestyle for a legacy. I have never been a father and honestly, as much as I want to impart so much of my knowledge and red pill experiences to the next generation, I do not know if I can stand being a full time dad.

It costs more than 250k btw. University tuition, grad school, private school, lessons, networking, personal trainer and coaches for athletics. They add up.

[–]tr0pheus28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy

Don't pro create. You want a trophy. This is a fucking living being and you clearly don't want to deal with the trouble , but only be there for the good stuff.... "I'll just hire a nanny" GTFO....

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

You are right, it is a dilemma. I'm trying to consider if this is something money can solve or not.

[–]tr0pheus11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

You seem to want to do you. And you seem very good at that.

Having a child is about putting them first and pushing yourself aside.

You really need to set aside LOADS of time. Getting in some quality time in the weekends is not enough. Be prepared to spin less plates, work less and work out less

[–]L2diy23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Remember, if you hire someone else to raise your kids they won’t be instilled with the values that you had to seek out for yourself. Don’t let your children be lost and find their way to the pill. I Even with putting them in private schools, in order to instill those values in them you have to be present. Children are a product of their environment.

[–]PrettyBarbiePerson8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

250k was low end, and when you average it it makes sense

If you don’t want to raise your kids why are you even asking this question

I get if you don’t want to clean their diapers and cook food and take them to school, that’s where their mom comes in.

Vet some women, sounds like they wouldn’t need a job

Their only job would be taking care of your kids full time, you don’t need to buy her a bunch of shit if she’s a good one.

If you plan on spending no time with them then I would suggest do not get kids .

Kids need a solid father figure (although he doesn’t have to be, and it’s probably for the best, if they aren’t home 24/7

[–]beginner_7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jesus christ, do the potential kid a favor and don't have it.

No you can't just have other people tell the kid you are a here and all is good. If you are not around you will have no relationship with the kid. The best thing you can do for it is invest time and that means you own time playing with your kid. Your plan sounds like a recipe to create the next elliot rogers.

[–]Onestop392 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

If you don't want to raise them what other possible advantages are there?

[–]falcorn2237 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

Good christ don’t send your kids to private school. Those snobby rich kids were worse than the average kids when i transferred to public school due to being bullied so much. Private schools are a total waste and just because your kids go to private school doesnt mean they will go to college, no bearing whatsoever.

Trust me dude, my parents sent me and my brother to the most prestigious private school in my state, and now my brother does porn and i am getting an associates degree at a community college. You have no control over what your kids will be, they could be in prison after highschool, (heaven forbid) you never know.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy

It is more for networking. It isnt for the academic aspect.

[–]falcorn2234 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Not worth the money. But you do you.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Do you have a trust fund also?

[–]PrettyBarbiePerson4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I would recommend private school

For one the education is leagues ahead of public school

A school my cousin attends has 120 people grades pre-K-8th and they group the classes depending on how advanced the student is in the subject. (4th graders could be taking algebra)

Not to mention they get recess 3 times a day (albeit shorter) art 5 times a week and take a language 4 times a week

Kids in 4th grade

Not even considering the connections you can make

If you know the right people you can get an easy ass good paying job and you are just around the upper class.

He might be a little more stuck up but that’s where you come in as a father, you raise him teaching him your morals and ethics

[–]amwfhunter[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]philltered0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This comment is a polar opposite of your post. With such trophy thinking, you are better off leaving your genetic legacy by being a sperm donor and letting blue-pilled couples in love handle your kid than you handle them.

If you want to be a dad, at least be a good one for your kid with a loving mom (wife or whoever) as well.

[–]Blazer8080 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Are they even your legacy if you won't even raise them yourself? Laughing my ass off here. Yeah, their life will ne great, but you'll not be their father. Not in their hearts at least.

[–]amwfhunter[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I actually had a discussion with my best friend about this. Their main caretaker would rave about how amazing I am so it build this idea of a hero to them. I mean I'll be in their life, I am not ghosting my own kid. It is like how widows would speak highly of the kid's father. I would surround them with people who speak highly of me (obviously they are paid for it).

[–]willieblackbean0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

250k is cheap

[–]PrettyBarbiePerson2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

There’s a lot of poor people in the world

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Not my problem and you still havent answered my question. Do u have kids yourself and do you pay for them yourself?

[–]PrettyBarbiePerson2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

No but we’ve all been children and we can all read and look at facts

My dad worked away from home to make good money so I could grow up nice and have anything I wanted.

He wasn’t a dad at the time just a caregiver

You need to be a dad, I could be a good dad if I wanted to right now. I don’t want to, not In the position

My original comment literally just said they will give you emotions women and items can’t.

Good or bad

[–]amwfhunter[S] -4 points-3 points  (4 children) | Copy

So you never experienced parenthood yourself? Thank you for your thoughts, appreciate your time and efforts.

[–]Fresh_Pulse1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good on you for thinking critically.

[–]PrettyBarbiePerson2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I’ve dealt with children all my life

If you aren’t a pussy and you are a strong masculine figure they will be easy to teach and more susceptible to your knowledge and thoughts

It’s very apparent in public and the way kids act in general

Kids are pretty smart, it’s the current situation in society that fucks them up

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly it costs more than 250k esp for what I want

[–]woodencrown47 points48 points  (3 children) | Copy

I have a son and hands down it is hard as fuck but also the best thing ever. You have no idea how good it feels to have your own son fall over cause he's so happy just to see you or come hug you when work has been hard.

I recommend having a kid if you have all other things sorted first and it sounds like you do.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for your advice.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dogs do that too.

[–]TuhTodayJr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is where I stand

[–]juliank4727 points28 points  (18 children) | Copy

What you have to realize is that once you have a child in your life, you will never be the first priority for your wife. Never again. In a RP relationship this roughly translates to instead of spending her time looking to please you, she is occupied with your child. Then again, life is about so much more than just yourself and it’s amazing to watch your fanily grow.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 6 points7 points  (17 children) | Copy

I know all about that. But at least the kid is mine (I'll dna test if I have to, but most likely it would be. The women who I would consider to have kids with is white and I'm Chinese so I know they will be mixed.) It is the same reason why we dont date single moms.

[–]think_90909090 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy

I'm curious: don't you want your kids to look like you? I find it a bit strange to be thinking about having mixed race kids when we're talking about 'passing on your genes' or your 'genetic legacy'. Wouldn't it be more logical to have babies with a girl of a similar race/ethnicity (i.e. similar genes)? I'm not saying that this would be wrong by the way.

[–]como106 points7 points  (13 children) | Copy

This is retarded logic. Your genes are passed down just as much in an interracial baby as it is in a single race baby. There are also advantages to biological diversity. There is a reason why you can't legally marry your sister or cousin.

[–]think_90909094 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy

Except you only contribute to 50% of your kid's genes, not 100%. The other 50% comes from the mother.

Here's an example: if you are Japenese (ethnically speaking) and you want your kids to be Japenese just like you (i.e. of Japenese heritage) then you need to find a Japenese woman (again, also from Japenese descent) to have your Japenese babies with. It takes two to tango.

Obviously you wouldn't want to have babies with your sister. That's retarded. There is a lot of genetic diversity within every race. You don't need to bang your sister to continue your legacy.

However, if you're like OP and these things don't matter to you then you can disregard all that I guess.

[–]party_dragon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I care much more about my genetic legacy than my country's genetic legacy. So many people in my country are stupid! So I need to marry below-average intelligence woman just to have average-intelligence kids, representative of the rest of my country?! Fuck that, I'm an outlier, maybe my kids will be as well

[–]como100 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I find it a bit strange to be thinking about having mixed race kids when we're talking about 'passing on your genes' or your 'genetic legacy'.

Why do you equate passing down your "genetic legacy" with having two same race parents? There is literally no correlation.

Except you only contribute to 50% of your kid's genes, not 100%. The other 50% comes from the mother.

This is true regardless of whether the mother is your race or not.

Here's an example: if you are Japenese (ethnically speaking) and you want your kids to be Japenese just like you (i.e. of Japenese heritage) then you need to find a Japenese woman (again, also from Japenese descent) to have your Japenese babies with. It takes two to tango.

If you are Japanese and you want your kids to be fully Japanese, you breed with a Japanese woman. Nobody is arguing otherwise. What does that have to do with "genetic legacy"?

[–]think_90909091 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

A genetic legacy (of a particular group from which you are from) can only be preserved by having kids with people who share relatively similar genes. Preserving a genetic legacy cannot depend on only one person. Only groups of people (like the Japenese people for example) can preserve their 'genetic legacy' by not mixing with other groups (broadly speaking). It is a team effort if you will. Otherwise none of this makes sense obviously. With each generation the genes of one particular ancestor become further and further diluted. The genetic legacy of one particular ancestor will always be almost completely insignificant after a few generations. That's why it makes little sense to focus only the genetic contribution of only one parent and we should always look at the genetic group from which you are a part of (unless you don't care about that).

To preserve certain breeds of dogs (i.e. a certain of set of genes) you must prevent them from interbreeding with other breeds of dogs. Otherwise you are creating new breeds of dogs with different set of genes. It's quite simple.

[–]unpluggedz0rs3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

He's not talking about preserving CHINESE legacy; he's talking about preserving his OWN legacy. The latter is preserved by simply having kids with literally anyone.

[–]think_90909092 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

What's the difference between his 'own' legacy and the 'chinese' legacy? He is chinese after all so it's the same thing.

[–]unpluggedz0rs0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Nope. Unless you believe that all Chinese people have the exact game genetic makeup.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

You get it. The further away the genotype the less likely they will inherit certain diseases and traits associated with incest or close DNA. Like sickle cell.

[–]porankcall0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

that's incorrect, because Hules and Ligers have a large variety of genetic diseases. And i'm pretty sure no one is really talking about the genetic superiority of Hapas

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

One way to find out is to have a kid with a gorgeous caucasian woman and a gorgeous asian woman, then raise them in two different households. Lol believe me, this idea has crossed my mind.

[–]porankcall0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I was thinking to do a social experiment of having 6 kids. 2 with an Asian women, 2 with a White woman and 2 with a Black woman.

And sorry I meant Mule* But You can also see this with Hinny's and tigons. Mules cannot even reproduce.

[–]amwfhunter[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nah I like the look of mixed race. Besides the women I like tend to be of caucasian origin. They tend to be taller and I really like the mixed look. Dont get me wrong I myself am 5'11, athletic and chiseled face. Definitely chang tier face. You know the white girls who say I dont usually date asians etc. I end up being their first Asian or they love how I look etc. But who knows maybe I could have a higher shot at producing a pro athlete or supermodel.

[–]think_90909091 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I understand. I guess in the end it's a matter of personal preference. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on that.

[–]ChunsLLC12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't EVER settle for a less than your ideal girl. Whatever physical attributes you want(race, height, size,..etc) and she has to be of your intelligence level, college educated, career, and will stick around then things get hard. You have been in a marriage before, just find a better one.

Enjoy that single life until you find that one special girl to tie the knot with. A man with value will ALWAYS have options to find a young and very fertile woman for your children, no matter your age. Find one that will treat you and your future children with proper respect and care.

Every man is programmed to passed on his genes, it's just our nature. Takes a substantial event to change your mind. I have one kid and a vasectomy. They are a pain to raise, even with a great woman.

For now, freeze your youthful sperm if you so with, its cheap. And don't impregnate the wrong ho.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I thought about that too freezing sperm. PM me with where you recommend.

[–]svenfromaccounting18 points19 points  (8 children) | Copy

you're well educated yourself man. Get a prenup. Get a woman you think makes for a good mate with kids. Do your business with her as you see fit. You are the man

[–]Protocol_Apollo4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

Spoke with an EC about this ages ago, you don’t have to even need a prenup.

Just be like ronaldo- has kids but not married.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I thought about that too. I was the one who also made a reference to him. I'm not as rich as him though

[–]Protocol_Apollo1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

But you still have a lot to lose in a divorce: that’s enough for you to pursue this route should you want.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Prenuptials will take care of that. Most of my properties are corporately owned under my holding corp. I have a cheap house I own as a principal residence but i would transfer it should i get married again and rent a house unless the wife is willing to pay her share of the home. Like I'd supply the downpayment and she will pay the mortgage.

[–]Protocol_Apollo1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why not just have kids outside of marriage?

I sense that you feel that you 100% have to get married if you want kids which isn’t the case.

Kids outside of marriage is an option you should at least entertain imo.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely considering it as one of the possibilities but then I'm in the same spot as if I'm getting a surrogate. In fact, I would prefer a surrogate financial agreement. Keeps the courts out.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

It isnt a prenup that is the issue not to mention the risks of matrimonial home being contested. Tbh I dont even give a fuck about that as financials and legals are a definite area that can be negotiated. It is more should I have a kid and continue a legacy or is it not worth the trouble. I appreciate your response.

[–]svenfromaccounting3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

They are out there. Despite the odds, some do succeed. The odds were against you financially, you beat them anyways. Just one more test.

[–]porkmissiles8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy

I think the most important thing to consider is finding a wife who won't constantly give you shit and is smart and organized enough that she can handle the kids during the day without calling/ texting every hour asking when you're going to be home to help.

My advice to you is likely a bit different than others might give: I would prioritize this single trait over anything else. Believe me when I say that this is way more important than having a 10 as a wife. Now I'm not suggesting you get yourself a hairy sweaty landwhale but it's way more important that she has the child rearing abilities to allow you to properly provide for the family.

I can't tell you how many guys I know who are rushing home from work, never working out and generally miserable because their wives are total anxious cunts. You do not want this.

Also I would recommend that you look closely for signs of any mental illness. Anxiety, depression, borderline personality and narcissism are all traits that will make you wish you'd stayed single. This is always true but it's 100x more true when she's responsible for raising your kids. Mental illness and child rearing are not compatible.

I will say that having kids is hard but there has never been a greater joy and sense of purpose in my life. Don't rush into it and remember that as a male you have time.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I am too aware of the metrics ever since taking the red pill which is why I even considered surrogates and buying the egg. Then hiring a maid to help raise him or her like a mother figure. I equate this with how princes were raised to a lesser degree.

[–]porkmissiles1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Interesting idea. I got lucky and found a wife who does an excellent job at home and can handle anything thrown at her and never bitches at me. I realize this can be hard to find but I'd advise you to be patient and you'll find they're out there.

My concern is the effect not having an actual mom might have on them. There's a reason a traditional family is traditional and important in every culture. HIred help is never going to have the commitment to your family that a real mother will.

As a business person you likely already know that business relationships come and go and employees can be incompetent and need replacing sometimes. I don't think that's an ideal situation for kids to have their mother figure and nurturer be your employee.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're right. I had thought about having my mother help as well but I just don't know how long she will live. My mother to oversee the maid or caretaker.
Again these are different ideas I've had in my mind. I've tried to playthrough as many permutations before asking this forum.

[–]sd4c1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Actual moms, leave all the time. Actual moms, beat the ever living heck out of kids all the time. Actual moms cheat, sometimes during admittedly "happy" marriages.

There used to be structures in place to control for this risk. She'd lose in court, for one. And be shamed and rejected by society, and her friends. These days are over.

I'd much rather have an older Guatemalan nanny or two, which I can keep in line easily, than risk being stabbed in the back by a duplicitous Medusa, trying to maximize her reproductive potential by having one more kid at 40 with the pool boy, and making ME pay for it with the child support she's getting for the other kids who she stole via family court.

Big Daddy Government is essentially western women's platonic male white knight friend who has been allowed to move into the spare bedroom of any co-habiting relationship, and stay there. Until serious, and direct consequences for female deception are restored, the combination of surrogates, nannies and hookers is hard to beat

[–]porkmissiles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hahaha I would watch a TV show called "surrogates, nannies and hookers".

[–]mickenrorty7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy

Divorced dad here. I fucked up and married a hoe, and you can’t make a hoe a housewife.

I do love my son (he’s 2.5yo) but my quality of life dropped drastically after divorce.

If I were to do it again, I would make CERTAIN that I married a women who adored me and came from a poor background with a low paying job, ideally from a poorer country like the Phillipines. I’d want her to be attractive but I’d actually try to avoid the 10/10 attractive ones (especially if they care about their insta image)

I would want her to be a motherly type character not interested in competing with me but rather interested in helping me help her and the child(s). Doesn’t have to be subservient, just has to have a high value on a family unit built into her very nature.

If she’s impressed with burritos at the beach for the first date, if she doesn’t have insta, if she values family and adores me, If her hourly wage is 1/8th what I earn, I think I’m on to a winner....

This is all generally speaking here but yea, never marry a girl from money, let her be some other guys nightmare with the inevitable divorce.

Get yourself a cute Asian girl from a poor background and look after her as you should if she is to be the mother of your child, never take her for granted and you’ve got a winner

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[–]mickenrorty1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I mean the quality of my life was dropping dramatically after marriage to be more accurate, but the stress of court, custody, a woman determined to make my life as difficult as possible, a divided friends group, gossip, friends who turned out to not be friends, while needing to find a new place to live, renting and then buying a place, but having to compromise on location and situation as cost of everything meant less money for a house deposit... to be accurate my situation has come out pretty good all and all but the stress especially around custody and friends and family and managing a career was a hard uphill battle, one I don’t wish to go through again

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

So you want a poor woman so you can make her dependant on you because of finances? That bit beta isnt it

[–]mickenrorty1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nah it’s not like that, it just means she appreciates things more, she’s not as likely to be influenced by this feminist bullshit that plagues the west... ultimately leading to women constantly feeling unhappy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's true, but I think you can find a middle class girl who's like that, too.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFereallyRed9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Never had kids, never wanted kids. I'm almost 50. Vasectomy in my mid 30's.

My life story is here.

Your post is full of feel good platitudes like "legacy" and "pass on your genes" and daydreaming about how great they'll be.

Think about what those words actually mean.

The decision is of course yours, but try did down to what you want, not what society expects or has planted in your head.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for your insight. This is the type of response I was looking for.

[–]McVaghunter7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

My disappointment in the top comments is immeasurable, yet I'm not surprised. I expected more of this subreddit but deep down I always knew TRP was just another reddit forum, and like the rest of reddit it's filled with normies who are destined to live an average blue pill life: Sacrificing their sexual freedom in exchange of attempting to build a family. Deep down the mods, the endorsed fags, the top comments crave the white picket fence lifestyle and are terrified of spinning plates.

Scientifically speaking, you only live once, only a fool would spend that one life serving others instead of serving himself. But hey, without you fools I won't be able to spin your teenage daughters a couple decades from now... So thank you for your sacrifice and service.

[–]BePrivateGirl1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

This entire thread is a dumpster fire. Almost everyone is telling him to do it. I’m almost wondering if they are trolling him.

And OP is replying to people about how he’s going to pay his main caretaker of his child to make up stories about him “like he is a hero” to make up for the fact that he plans to be absent and just spend all his beta bucks surrounding his kid by the best nannies and the best schools

And no one is calling him out on it!


[–]amwfhunter[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol this girl mad.

[–]WolfofAllStreetz4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I love my daughter more than life itself but holy shit is it a lot of work. If you choose the wrong mate you are fucked. Luckily my wife is awesome but man I know some people in bad spots.

[–]Velebit11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Fatherhood is what makes a man. It is the hardest and most challenging but also most rewarding if you do it right and can be quite punishing if you fail, especially if you are mushy sentimental type.

It is the most undervalued thing in todays society. In popular culture fathers are almost universally shown as goofs, irrelevant, unappreciated and hardly role models. Just think of all the shows ranging from sitcoms to serious dramas. Al Bundies, Homer Simpsons, Raymonds. At best, a father is shown as a stoic provider, somewhere in the background of family and society, sending a check, basically being the emotionless and distant engine of the ship, at worst the father figure is the repository of all the worst trait a feminist misandrist can think of... violent, drunk, neglectful, disloyal, unsophisticated, tolerated by his betters.

The only people breeding at above replacement rates are those who are far right or religious and those who are very low on IQ. First group because of evolutionarily adaptive ideas of placing value on continuity, blood and genes but also on idealistic interpersonal relationships. The second group because of literal inability to use contraception with discipline and the incentive of child support payments that are big compared to what a very dumb person can earn. IQ corelated with discipline as well.

If you are religious you know you are commanded to multiply and not just to have one but MULTIPLY to grow your numbers. That means 2 at least, 3 to guarantee it as not everyone will be fertile/breed/reach age of fertility.

If you are an atheist then you know you are genes. You are not the show going on in your mind, in your conscienteousness. You thinking does not mean you are. Your thoughts are merely a result of using language, literally talking to yourself. Without language, a TOOL that humans invented, you would not be thinking, you would merely be following your natural priorities. You, as an organism would also not be so easily subverted by other human tools, such as (destructive and antihuman) culture and with it ideas that rearrange priorities from gene continuation (evolutionarily adaptive healthy behavior) to wasteful hobbies and pet projects coupled with stimulating nerves by various hedonisms and luxuries (unadaptive sick behavior).

Your kids are you. The memories, which are merely how neurons arranged inside your brain will not be transmitted down, but that is irrelevant. Your kids are literally you mixed in with the best genes you could find, shaped by the closest thing this world has to magic.

Imagine a dog who does not desire to breed, it would be obvious something is wrong with them. It would not be convincing to rationalize away that the dog 'simply' enjoys walks and running after a ball more. Or that the dog is disappointed by the unfair nature of bitches and how they might treat him. Yet with humans, with liberal and silly idea of us somehow being outside nature, there is rationalization that it is not an obvious and critical sickness at play, whatever the rationalization behind it, but some free will thing with instant shaming of whoever wentsofar as to question the privacy and intent of the sick animal to not reproduce.

Humanity will not disappear, it is simply some groups that will be phased out due to their sick leanings and other groups will trimph, like always in history, destroying everything what the phased out group left behind.

[–]boywonder2002 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

There is an interesting theory that the left will slowly dissolve over time and be replaced by conservatives due to their use of abortions and contraceptions, as well as having much less emphasis on having kids than the right. However, I don't think this is going to happen, and I really think the opposite is going to be true thanks to catholic Hispanics which overwhelmingly vote democrat.

[–]Velebit3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

  1. Every major racial group in USA had below replacement fertility rate in 2019. Remember when Obamas last speech said that Russia is a fading power with declining birth rate, yeah now USA has almost the same rate. This and drag queen story hour happened during Trump.

  2. That happened in Israel. Israel was for most of its early history ran by revolutionary socialists and most of its society was built up in literall communist communes called kibutz. Gender roles were totally eliminated and toilet cleaning duties as well as almost all other were shared by everyone, everyone had equal outcomes forced and pay and living conditions etc. Kids were deliberately separated from parents and raised communaly etc etc.

Simply, after a couple of generations despite them, their parents and grandparents being raised in kibutzim the youth increasingly opted for normal non equalized life and women even opted to call their husbands a word which would be translated as master instead of the more egalitarian version. Also the religious people simply outbred the secular hedonists so much that the birth rate increased after a slump and is at a sustained 3.1 with those who describe themselves as 'secular' being inculcated in baby loving cultural influence and having above replacement fertility. Even atheist ex Soviet Jews fertility rate shot upwards to 2.1 due to environment placing a very high value, a lot of societal cookie points on having kids. Today Israeli politics is utterly dominated by right and far right. Their main political parties would be classified as extremist right wing in most of the white world with significant parties openly advocating for religious law, basically Jewish sharia.

Left will destroy itself as did every church that liberalized. Simply the whole point of church is to create a community following a collectivistic set of goals. Remove that and you remove the purpose for it. Studies have shown that groups that ask the most out of its members have the best results while those that ask the least and overall simply offer the least content and daily change they retain the least members especially active ones.

Today, goofs are investing in stocks, precious metals, real estate, bonds... but their resources are NOT invested in their kids, in their genes.

Ego of individual is the greatest enemy of mankind.

[–]SalporinRP2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just got into the situation knowing that when you have a kid you are sacrificing your freedom/happiness for their well-being for the next 18 years minimum. It is not just a massive time commitment but also a massive financial commitment as well.

I think having children can be very rewarding but I know a lot of people who were so excited to have kids then they realized that a lot of the time they kinda suck. The day you have a kid you become second choice to your wife. It's just biology.

I say this as someone who wants kids as well.

[–]doctorlw2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

There have been a ton of excellent points on here already so I won't rehash any of that. I will say that I agree that kids are absolutely worth it, and can be a source of great joy.

From a more practical standpoint, from my medical experience in dealing with people in their golden years, I will say I cannot imagine being in late life without a family. Those people are almost universally in bad mental and physical health. Truly alone, health making even the once mighty appear pitiful, without anyone to remember them as they once were - a heartbeat away from fading away into obscurity forever. That is not a future I would want any part of.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Ok so they have no kids, what about extended family? Do they try to maintain a good social network of friends?

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I just figure when I'm old I'm just going to live on a cruise ship

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It'll be a great life.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A fellow colleague. I dont worry about my physical health, mental health may be?

[–]beginner_2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I just don't want to get myself into a family and dread my life but at the same time, I would love to leave a legacy and pass on my genes.

If I were to have a child, I want to give them every advantage I can. I want them to be good looking, smart, and be educated in upper class fashion (private schools and tutors) so that this upbringing can increase their probability of success (network with rich kids, privy to privilege and information reserved for the rich)p. I've even considered surrogates and buying eggs as from a financial standpoint it is safer. Nonetheless I will still need someone to help me raise them.

Don't have one then. A kid isn't a project with milestones. You can do it that way but you can then also already plan the psychotherapy session for your kid.

[–]oldchunkofcoal_7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

building a family is the best thing you could do

[–]amwfhunter[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Is it?

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[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy

I don't have kids but have already set my life on not having them. Let me impress something on you: between juggling multiple plates, multiple homes, multiple businesses, staying in shape etc: where exactly would you find the meaningful time to raise a child? After all that if you have a spare hour or two a day, don't you want it in peace?

Sounds like you're successful, whatever that means. You have an alpha life. Have a kid, you can't just take a plate on a mini-vacay, you're stuck with it. Not to mention with your attitude (wanting private school etc), that kid will be hella expensive to raise. Time and money are important commodities, don't needlessly waste them by breeding and contributing to overpopulation.

Everybody talks about "passing down their DNA", but be honest with yourself, that shit does not matter. In 100 years you'll be forgotten.

You also run the risk of the kid turning into some drug addict who you're bailing out every second weekend.

edit: NOT having them*

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

You pretty much touched down on my main hesitation. I love my life and am seeing if it is worth while to have a kid as the next step.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

It's not. You're asking because of societal pressure, not cuz you genuinely want one.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

It isnt. I am legitimately thinking about passing on my genes. I think what is the point of doing all this without a successor to pass the information and knowledge to.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You come first. Forget about the rest of it.

[–]Transport1270 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What makes you think genes are unique from the rest of the people. It’s pointless. I would rather adopt kids than adding another kid in this overcrowded planet

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If I thought like you, I wouldnt need this thread. Do appreciate your perspective

[–]BePrivateGirl5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

Jesus! The comments on here! Are you people crazy?

If you find yourself walking around in your bomb ass life thinking that all you’ve ever wanted to do is pass on your genes, then maybe. But every business you own, every property that you’ve acquired needs to be boring to you. Because petty problems and ridiculous inquires, and the unending curiosity and energy of a child who doesn’t want to learn handwriting is going to plague you for the next 25 years.

I’m a post wall woman who landed an awesome dude (when i was 25) with a kid and I am 100% against having my own children.

If you come home from work and have enough extroverted energy to dedicate 95% of your down time hours to putting out fires and listening to children babble about paw patrol, trucks, princesses, and video games then spend your energy parenting. Do it.

Having children does not mean that your adoring spawn come and hug you when you walk in the door as you get home from work. It’s not all Norman Rockwell paintings about throwing a baseball. It includes a lot of retarded shit about crying over vegetables that touched my chicken, cheese that got cut into a triangle instead of a rectangle, having to talk to your association manager or pool guy because your kid won’t stop drinking pool water and having diarrhea in a public recreation space. Your six year old daughter is gonna want to grow up to be Ru Paul. Your 11 year old fat boy is gonna grow man tits, hate sports, and wish he was a vampire.

If any ridiculous thing you’ve ever seen a teenager post on reddit has inspired you to figure out how to guide them into a respectable person, then sure, spend your energy on that.

But this is bold faced alpha trope about spreading your seed (having a son presumably) and getting him into good schools. Are you prepared to have an argument with a purple haired third grade teacher about how your kid can’t figure out how to do simple multiplication because he can’t conform to the “Dividing beans into paper cups” method of teaching that the school board is enforcing as a new curriculum.

No, just no.

Go to the gym again and ask yourself what the fuck you are truly considering. It’s the worst gamble you could ever take.

[–]David9495 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This chick says the truth. Do you want to give up everything you have gained just to spread your seed? Are you really going to find a real partner to raise your children with? Most likely not so just enjoy your life and stop stressing about it. In 1 generation no one will give a fuck about your name or your lineage. Enjoy your life

[–]amwfhunter[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

A lot of that is what tutors, nannies, coaches and grandparents are for. He or she isnt going to public school...if I have to ship them to an international school in singapore or shanghai so be it. You are the reason why I do not date American women seriously.

[–]BePrivateGirl3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

You are the reason I do not date weak guys with weird egos about their genes.

When was the last time you heard any stories on any RP sub about nannies, coaches, grandparents or international schools in Singapore or Shanghai saving your kids from the realities of life.

Go ahead friend, fuck yourself.

Your kids will thank you for your thoughtful selection of underpaid substitute mentors. I’m sure they will be high quality.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I wouldn't know about weak guys I'm pretty strong. My lifts are quite good. You would never be able to land guys like me. You lack the intellect and background for it anyways.

Underpaid substitute mentors? Are you kidding me or are you that ignorant? Shanghai (elite part of china not china as a collective) and Singapore have some of the highest scores on worldwide educational standardized tests. I mentioned those because they are the best. Do your research before you run your uneducated assumptions.

It is like working out. I hired myself an trainer who trains pro athletes to maximize my fitness goals and optimize my abilities. I have lawyers because I am not as skilled as them in law. Accountants for taxes. I call it delegating to experts. I will be there to provide some insight and help them develop their interests with positive feedback and productive criticism.

As for fucking myself I do it all the time. I'm the best I ever had.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Absolutely no shame in delegating life's tasks to experts. +1

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I live my life with 0 shame. If someone does not agree with it they can bring it up to me. When the point is valid I'll listen.

[–]gmoney-181 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

You realize you’re not gonna be “spinning plates” when you’re 65 years old? The playboy life is super fun.. until it isn’t. Have kids of you’re own and raise them like the amazing man you claim to be.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

My friend it is what made me even consider doing this. Because I realize this.

[–]gmoney-182 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I know this is a red pill discussion but God put us on this earth to procreate. Live a couple more years of trp life, then settle down and have a couple kids. Your joy of traveling, sex, sports or whatever gives you joy will transfer to this kid. It will be the best decision of your life.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for your genuine answer.

[–]TRPCops[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's nothing rule breaking about sharing your personal story or perspective, so long as you don't moralize. This is a fine example.

[–]Acceptancehunter1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The uncertainty the planet is facing over the next 20 years economically and environmentally just makes this a different ball game.

[–]TRPCops[M] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rule zero. Don't come here to agenda post. 14d ban

[–]smgtn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm in a similar boat as you and I'm leaning towards not having kids. My parents gave up a lot to raise me and now I live in a different country and see them couple of times a year. I know for sure I couldn't come even close to their sacrifice, so I don't see a scenario where my kid wouldn't hate my guts.

Family values and dynamics are absolutely fucked nowadays, at least in the west and women have way too much power to destroy your life and theirs. A woman will absolutely control you and hold you hostage through your child.

[–]philltered1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Given how much you are at crossroads with this kid thing, I'll say get a dog first and see if that adds any meaning to your life.

[–]Lateralanouncer3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

The big thing is to find a woman worthy of your investment. As you likely know, woman are not worth much nowadays so the last thing you want is buyers remorse when your working and she decides to stay at hm and get fat.

[–]theyearsstartcomin4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Eat hot chip and lie

[–]Bigboyleggos3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Im also in my 30s, I was dead set on not having kids for years. In my early 20s I seriously considered getting sniped but didnt.

In my late 20s I had a roomate that had a 1yo boy. 3 days a week for 2 years that kid tore up the house and I loved it. Roomie eventully got it together and bought a house, I still spend time with him and the kid who calls me uncle. I love that little shit! That little rugrat totally flipped a switch for me, i was now curious what life with kids would be like.

A while later I proposed, I was in a great financial state but terribly depressed. I really had no business taking on what I did, when i did but well.... I did. By the time we actually got married I had shed most of my funk. We stopped all birth control 6 months aftet getting married, wife is preggo shortly after that. I was super excited.

My kiddo just turned 3 months and Im thilled. Pregnancy, birth and the 3 months since have been a fucking rollercoaster of awesome.

My wife could bail and take half my shit, I could bail and lose half my shit, In 5 years she might be a bitchy whale I pay child support to....... I dont own a delorean so I haven't the slightest clue what will happen.

Heres what i know... Earlier today the dog was running around with his toy, I was "flying" a giggling 3mo around following the dog while making airplane noises and all 3 of us had a killer time.

Yesterday the baby was slapping her hanging rattle thing in the baby jungle gym, then looking at the dog who would nose the same rattle, do a quick circle the watch the bsby slap the rattle again. This repeated for 10 min, got me right in the feelz!

Consequences be damned, I fucked up a lot on my way here, I might get bent over the the BIG D or all might be well. Either way I fucking love it and wouldnt trade ot for anything.

;) have fun!

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for your input I really appreciate it.

[–]Bigboyleggos1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lmao, i just reread my post and started laughing. 10 years ago I would have said "fuck family life, kids are a hastle, Just have fun bro!"

Now im bragging about chasing my 20lb dog around the house while making airplane noises and "flying" my 11lb 3mo old giggling kid.

Fuck all, fuck any fear of betrayal, fuck the negative bs spewed on this forum. The side bar is straight gold but most the fuckers posting here are so afraid to take a risk that they automatically defer to "all women are ruthless machines and men are always fucked".

This is straight Gay bitch logic.

Is not about women, its not about courts or how things are, its not about "your money". Fuck women and their shit.

Heres the one and only question, Do YOU want kids? If so, fuck all! Plant thy seed!

[–]badaod0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

What an amazing story! I believe this is the real answer to your question.

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[–]amwfhunter[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks troll. Too bad you're such a troll coz I Love trump also. #maga

[–]TRPCops[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Permabanned, nothing but shit posting from this account

[–]Infernir1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Man this question pops on on some red pill forum every now and then. The thing is... planned parenthood, having kids could be one of the most joyful things ever... and generate unimaginable amounts of happiness, satisfaction with life... there will be some down times and drawbacks like less money, risk of divorce, and risk of not getting to be a part of your child's life as much if things go south.

But that 50% of time it works out? Yeah sure it's worth it. Just make sure to vet whoever you do it with to an absurd extreme, wait at least 3 years in the LTR, get a prenup, and finally make sure the women is crazy about you to the point that she'd be a big alpha widow if you left her.

[–]jrterry19690 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I had three kids then I got divorced. I don’t regret either.

Having kids is an enormous commitment, and it is poison for married sex life. but the kids make it worthwhile, somehow. If you want to know what love really is, I have kids.

Procreating is as much a natural desire as sex. There are some rare people who don’t need sex, and some rare people who don’t want to have kids. If you are even asking this question, you are probably not one of those rare people.

[–]Haytch12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some people love kids.

Some people regret it.

If you are having this doubt now then you are not ready for kids.

You can always replace and go back on decisions made when it comes to plates, business, education.

Having kids is not a reversible decision. If you end up hating it, you're fucked.

Dont give in to pressure. And dont be one of those dickheads who need to satisfy their own ego and ' spread their seed' and have kids.

You need to weigh up and pros and cons and how much you are willing to risk and lose.

[–]fapfapfapnot0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You'll experience the euphoria of raising your kid only if you actively raise him/her. If you decide to actively raise one, be ready to lose yourself in the process, like having an ego death. So the thoughts of you leaving your legacy is irrelevant when you raise your kid actively because you're focused on building his legacy (even if it means losing yours!). It's like you were a millionaire but quit and sold all of your businesses and properties (no backup) and now you're going all in on this new business/startup that you believe in. Replace this example with legacy that you're talking about, you stop growing or caring about your legacy and go all in building your kid's. You'll develop a great bond with your child if you go this route.

Based on what I interpret from your post, I don't feel you're ready for the above. I feel you want to raise your kid passively while continuing to build on your legacy and enjoy the life you're currently living which most only dream of. You don't necessarily wanna go all in and lose yourself in this process. You want your own kid so that you can pass him your wealth, businesses, good life, a couple of your life lessons and want him to be raised with a silver spoon (the kind of life you maybe didn't have yourself as a kid), don't necessarily want to deal the with problems of raising one and hire top notch maids, tutors and a butler to raise him. You want him to be known as (Your name)'s Kid in the society. You can do this, most celebs do the same but you gotta realize is that there'll be intense pressure on him to perform well just because he's your kid (if you make a big name for yourself). Now this can either make or break him depends on how he handles it. Also he might respect you for building yourself a great life but there'll never be that strong bond that we talked about above(that only comes with active parenting) because you weren't completely there for him all the time.

Conclusion - IMO (your) social status and actively raising a child are inversely related to each other. You might lose yourself out completely trying to actively build your kid OR you can continue building yourself while raising them passively. But realize that "most" kids who do get raised passively end up hating their parents. Gandhi's own son hated him the most.

[–]KidGrizz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The choice is yours. If you want to have kids then have kids. I have a daughter. Not with the mother. now so on child support. Only regret is I wish I was your age or older when I had my kid. It’s rewarding but it’s a lot of work! If you not going to be with the mother or don’t have a woman you can be with and live with, don’t do it. It’s really that simple. The money part is not that hard if y’all both work.

[–]comu_nacho0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't want kids, much less during these ominous times

[–]significant_plan_0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

To have kids or not.

Here's your answer pleb:

World population growth since the beginning of the human specie.

Only super smart or super beautiful people should procreate. Thus spoke zarathustra!

p.s: Problem? What overpopulation problem?

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

So you're telling me yes

[–]significant_plan_0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

That depends, does your dick reach the floor?

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yes sometimes. Depends on the weather.

[–]significant_plan_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Then go ahead and spread your seed elephant man, evolution favors the strong.

[–]4thAndLong0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'll be 30 this year. I still have no interest in having a child. My advice would be to have one only if it's what you think about and dream about all day and night. Your fears are justified and very real. You still need to find a partner to help raise the child. Single parent households suck and the chances of the child being a failure are higher. If if you find someone to help raise it, what happens if your kid turns out to be a piece of shit? That's a lot of investment to risk. Most people who have kids are of course going to say, "it was worth it" or "it's the greatest thing ever". No one wants to admit they made the wrong choice. For me, it's too permanent of a thing to have (a child) and I don't want to be responsible for something I ultimately will have no control over when it comes to how it all turns out.

[–]Pdubzilla-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Only do it because you want kids and want to be a father; don't expect anything out of it. Don't do it for any other reason. It is that simple.

And, to me, the whole "passing your genes on" argument is silly. Your specific genes will be filtered out in a few generations and nobody will remember you. Besides, we're all 99.9% the same.

[–]jzekyll60 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I went to private school and prestigious public school. Private school isn’t worth it.

But kids are. If you hire a plate as a babysitter and have more than 3 kids they’ll raise themselves. The less input you have the better so that they feel they should emulate you instead of feeling like they’re forced to obey you. I’m not a father yet at 22, and society doesn’t make it easy to be a single father. But it’s possible.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Interesting outlook but much appreciated.

[–]BlackMonkey140 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

“To be a genetic dead end or not”

Zoom out a little. You’re an organism, your primary purpose is to see that your dna continues on. You’ll find that if you orient yourself towards that, your subconscious and conscious mind will start to align.

But if you’re stupid and or ugly and or have major genetic disorders of some sort then you and everyone else will have a better future if you instead devote yourself to something else to improve the world.

Best place to find wifey girls is church, or other countries. The more men they have sex with the less stable they become all around.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have an eastern European plate from a very religious country with a low N count who I am considering she is professional and hb8. We have been together for a few years. Problem is she can be a real cunt and is pressuring me.

I have a couple potential baby mamas plates who look better physically hb9 + but I know they lack the morals or the smarts.

[–]RealisticKiwi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am 27 and have a half year old kid. I really wanted kids. If I would not want kids I would not be in relationship with any women. I don't really care about cuddles, hugs, partner or going on dates etc. I care about sex and getting my dick sucked, but even if my partner still looks extremely good considering she gave birth I still rather fuck some new pussy.

But I don't. Because as you said I care about my legacy and having my own kid(s). I did not do too much parenting so far, but I help my partner and provide every material need.

You don't have to raise your baby/kid 24/7. Most women are designed to do that. Then when the kid will be older you can still teach the good stuff to them.

[–]huey764-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hell yeah bitch. Gotta pass down them genes, literally what we are here for

[–]Freezy_1-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

No parent can guarantee his offspring would live a happy, healthy and a fulfilling life. By bringing a new life to this world a parent is selfishly gambling with the well being of another sentient being whose consent can't be obtained but is instead made to exist by force for sake of their parents' selfish happiness which could potentially suffer untold harms like deadly diseases, accidents, rape, crippling depression, being orphaned at a young age, down's syndrome, permanent disabilities, mental illnesses, Cancer, natural calamities, climate change, etc. Imagine being a man and being proud of gambling with an innocent being's life for sake of your own happiness.

Parenthood provides happiness because it's literally what evolution has programmed our minds with. True understanding of redpill ideology would open your eyes towards not becoming a slave to your evolutionary instincts and procreate but instead rise above towards what a true man should do: override your selfish desires and avoid risking potential suffering towards an innocent being by giving it birth. Don't live in a bubble, look at the world, just because life is dope for you doesn't mean it would be the same for your offsprings. Don't play Russian roulette with your offsprings' lives by putting their well-being at stake.

You have the right to enjoy and live life as per the way you want, just don't make that decision for someone else bucko, you don't know what kind of suffering that being would have to endure through it's lifetime.

[–]flatox-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

You will be unhappy later in life if you do not have kids.

Personally, i have made peace with that, but i am still not particularly looking forward to being old, having a lot of money and knowledge of life and nobody to share it with.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Money? Spend it.

Besides, where did this obligation of "sharing your knowledge" come from?

[–]flatox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nobody said obligation, and it is not an obligation, but an opportunity. Having a child and help molding them into the best possible version of themselves. It will make you happy if you do it right.

If you deny that, then you simply don't understand it.

[–]agjrpsl-4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yeah, you sound like a real asshole. I wouldn't want to be your kid. Take your troubled ass out of here and get mental help.

[–]amwfhunter[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for your advice.

[–]TRPCops[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

14 day ban, contribute or stfu

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy

If you want to be outnumbered and outvoted by diversity, go ahead and commit genetic suicide.

[–]TRPCops[M] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Rule zero, and failure to contribute. 30d ban

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

K cuck

[–]RPNorvell[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Did he say 30 days?

You just bought yourself a permaban from here so you can spend more time on your mechanical keyboards and WOW forums.

[–]TRPCops0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Haha. I forgot to ban him. Thanks.

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