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Radical Acceptance. Buddhism and Mindfulness

by INNASKILLZ2K18 | January 20, 2020 | TheRedPill

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I’ve seen a lot of uninformed ideas and opinions on Mindfulness and Eastern spirituality and philosophy on Red Pill. Some people discarding Mindful practice as simply ‘staring at a wall and breathing’. Others asserting Mindfulness is ‘passive acceptance’, so not ‘Alpha bro’.
I thought I would take the chance to retort some of the misunderstanding and how effective a Mindful view can help a man trying to swallow the pill.

Mindfulness, in essence, is a way of cultivating a skilled, intentional expansive way to interact with yourself and the world. It is ‘paying attention, on purpose, to the present moment, without judgement’.

One of the key principles is ‘radical acceptance’.

To change anything, we must first accept everything.

A key tenant in Buddhist philosophy is that suffering is caused by a man’s inability to accept the present moment, in it’s totality. Instead, to fight against it, to wish it were somehow ‘different’. To resist and deny. It isn’t the present reality which creates suffering, but his relationship to the present moment.

He must first learn to accept the reality of everything, before he can make conscious, skillful choice and action.

Most people resist their circumstances. They spend their time complaining, in victim, resentful, discomfort because things are not how they want them to be.

Buddhism also distinguished between pain and suffering. Pain is inevitable. Pain is a human emotion. Things in this life will cause us pain. Suffering is caused by resistance. The longer we live in resistance, wishing things were just different, we suffer.

In resistance, we do not move. We are in conflict with the now. We are passively wishing, hoping, begging, praying that things were just different. It allows no skillful action, no conscious response. We reject the now.

To first change anything, we must first accept everything. This does NOT mean passive acceptance. More on that soon.

Blackpillers, anger phase men, incels, most MGTOW’s, all live in resistance to the way things are. They are so caught in bitching, complaining, whining, crying and playing victim.

Does anything change? Do they get anywhere? No.

The truth of reality, the present and the now remains the same. But their resistance causes them to not move. Their lack of acceptance causes suffering. It’s NOT the truth of the present which causes their suffering. It is THEIR lack of acceptance.

Again, we cannot change anything, until we accept everything.

Imagine a man is on the side of a river. He must cross the river in order to find his way home. The River has a heavy current, is deep, there are rocks and it’s freezing cold. He can choose to resist the present moment. He can drop in despair, wishing their was a bridge, cursing the universe and all the while resisting crossing the river. No action allowed. Knelt in a ball of suffering.

Or, he can radically accept the present, because IT IS ALL THERE IS. The PRESENT, right now, cannot change. It is painful, almost defeating, difficult and frightening. But he accepts it. He allows it. He says ‘ok, this is exactly what it is’. He is now free to move with it. He can consciously enter the river. He can carefully move from rock to rock, swimming when he needs, choosing the rocks large enough to rest on, and when the distance is short enough to give every last effort to swim to the other side.

He makes it. As horrible, scary, and difficult as it was. He is on the other side, and can begin walking home.

Only by first accepting everything, can he now achieve change.

Mindfulness does not endorse passive acceptance. It does not endorse avoiding life. It is actually a way to engage more fully with the total experience of life. It is a way of accepting and moving skillfully though life’s trials and storms.

If you want to get to the other side, you must first accept the river is dangerous, deep and cold. That is HOW IT IS. That is the PRESENT MOMENT. The present moment can NEVER be changed, because it is ALREADY HERE. Only by radically accepting it, can you begin to work with it.

If you bitch, complain, wish it were different, cry about the present, you will never be one with it. If you remain passive in anyway, you will never use the present. You will never choose the most appropriate, conscious, deliberate, effective course of action.  

Becoming RedPill IS radical acceptance. It is seeing the present moment in it’s entire truth. Women are not saints, they have options, they want men of value. Becoming a man of value is difficult. Where you might be in the beginning is NOT optimal. Out of shape, no purpose, no great value.

You can resist the truth. You can wish it were different. Does it lead anywhere? No. It leads to inceldom, MGTOW, and forever angry. It leads to constantly filling the board with female hate, posting the next ‘muh, ain’t women bad’ news post, pushing black-pill shit. All just ways guys lash out at the PRESENT MOMENT. They lash out at the way things JUST ARE.

RedPill men first must radically accept everything. The truth of the SMP. The truth of women. The truth of men. The truth of where they are at RIGHT NOW, IN THE PRESENT.

Only then, can you begin to move forward. Only then, can you make conscious, deliberate choices.
Mindfulness is being aware of how we relate to the WAY THINGS ARE. How we relate to the present. Do we resist it? Or do we radically accept it, and so free ourselves to take action?

A component of Mindful Meditation, is cultivating our awareness of how we respond to the present. Becoming more and more aware of when we resist, and when we radically accept. Even in the ‘small’ moments. Do we not want to approach that girl, because ‘if only she gave me more IOI’s, or we just bumped into each other, or I knew the perfect line or wasn’t nervous’? All resistance of the present. You don’t know her. You have never spoken. She might reject you. You might forget something. It might be uncomfortable. It will be cold approach. Radically accept that shit, so you can take measured action. STOP hoping it was different. The present moment can NEVER be different to what it is.
Mindfulness aims to help people navigate and respond to the world’s (Red Pill) truths, in a way that allows accepting, conscious, considered action to move forward and get to the other side of the river.

It can also help us change our entire response to whatever is HAPPENING RIGHT NOW, in it’s totality. We can see life’s struggles, circumstances and realities as challenges, opportunities, and possibilities, and not unfair shit that is ‘happening TOO us’. Acceptance is the first step to freeing ourselves to do something.
Radical acceptance. To change anything, you must first accept everything. What you resist, will persist.  

What are you resisting, or just wishing would be magically different, which stops you from taking action?


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Title Radical Acceptance. Buddhism and Mindfulness
Author INNASKILLZ2K18
Upvotes 304
Comments 141
Date 20 January 2020 01:08 PM UTC (5 months ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
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[–]_do_not_read_this_54 points55 points  (4 children) | Copy

A corollary to acceptance is getting rid of, or tempering, one's expectations. Disappointment in unrealized expectations is another source of suffering.

"I expect this new job to be great" and when it inevitably isn't, your new co-workers suck and the boss is a dick, you're disapointed and suffering.

"This one girl is perfect for me, I'll be happy forever" and when AWALT and she cheats, you become disappointed and suffer because you didn't see the reality of female behavior.

"If I only had a million dollars, I'd be happy!" and when you get the million, your life is still filled with suffering because money is a tool, not a goal.

Dr. Phil puts it well, to paraphrase, change your expectations about a person/situation/result, change your reaction to that person/situation/result.

"This new job will function to get me money, increase my skill set in some manner, and make new contacts if I work it right."

"This one girl is perfect for me ... right now."

"If I had a million dollars I could free up some time to work on my mission."

Change your expectations, change your reaction to the outcome.

More:

http://dharmawisdom.org/teachings/articles/tyranny-expectations

[–]8380atgmaildotcom10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

A new car quickly becomes not a new car.

[–]metallicdrama1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Until you sell it to the next guy.

[–]NorthEasternNomad21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy

Radical Acceptance has helped me. When I learned the combination of bulging discs in my neck and the partially torn rotator cuff tendons meant that I'd be sidelined from most physical activity for much of 2020, I was...not in a good place.

But I've accepted it. Which lead to a new eating plan that ensures I maintain my weight. And the exploration of treatment plans.

I then took a look at some new shows. And books. Found a PowerShell Masterclass on YouTube. Tried new recipes.

I changed my activities to keep my life rewarding. But only after I accepted the necessity my reality dictated.

[–]CeltiCarpathian62 points63 points  (18 children) | Copy

Just as a side note to the original post, read 'Doctrine of Awakening' by Julius Evola to see how red pilled Buddhism always was.

[–]huey76411 points12 points  (9 children) | Copy

God damnit not Julius Evola again. I see him mentioned often on this sub so am like "fuck I gotta check him out" but I can't seem to find his books ANYWHERE. I've tried 3 different libraries and gone to Barnes and Noble but they simply don't have his books.

Guess amma have to buy em online.

[–]cocobong023 points24 points  (2 children) | Copy

[–]seaturtlesmate3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

AWALT

mad respect for the link, always appreciate a book download because physical copies are so hard to come by where i live...

i ease my guilt with a mental IOU to any author's whose work hit me hard lol

[–]XXXMersenne3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Ride The Tiger is a good place to start. If it resonates but is unintelligible, hit up GLO.

[–]huey7641 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Been meaning to read ride the tiger, and this link actually works. Thanks bro

[–]vintageBiscuit0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Even tho I found some topics really interesting. English isn’t my native language and I find it quite difficult to understand what I am reading...

[–]XXXMersenne0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Take your time & Look up/translate the definitions of words you do not understand. You're probably going to have to read it 2-3 times before you understand the whole of what the author is talking about.

I recommend you watch this introduction to the Author. It's a good supplement to the text.

[–]CeltiCarpathian0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

He's not exactly corporate friendly, he's also a challenge to read. you may need to read a book several times, or at the very least do independent research while reading

[–]iHairy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, the most challenging book I’ve ever read, took me few months on and off until I finished reading it, still didn’t digest it that much.

Time to reread it again with a notebook and a pen in hand.

[–]z2a1-94 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

will definitely check this out

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Awesome. So links are starting to be made about how things relate. I'll enjoy reading it.

[–]metallicdrama-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy

The only thing redpilled about Buddhism was borrowed and incorporated and not original to Buddhism. Buddha was a yogi. The four noble truths and 8-fold path is all yoga. All Buddha did was say everything is empty and without inherent nature, which is retarded and how you brainwash people into not being concerned about why they spend their life sitting looking at a wall when they could have had a life.

[–]CeltiCarpathian1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

You really should study Buddhism a little more closely.

[–]metallicdrama1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Maybe you should. I would start with the Tripitaka and Dhammapada. Buddhism is trendy and all, but Plato would like to have a word with his word salad.

The only thing unique to Buddhism is the concept of emptiness or that nothing has an inherent nature, everything lacking an inherent nature. This is where Buddhism diverges from Yoga. Because everything is interconnected and arises ultimately from the same source. It fails to account for the fact that there is differentiation, as in some things can share points of intersection, but that in an emergent universe that can also have points of divergence. A baby's heart and lungs are uniquely heart and lungs, despite the fact that there used to just be a clump of undifferentiated cells. Which are different than anyone else's heart and lungs by many different measures. That isn't made not-so because we are all products of the Big Bang. Experience confirms this.

The Buddha said that ultimately to trust experience even above what he says. He said that we impose constructs upon experience. And thus we can't trust the forms or shadows on the wall. Yet, he completely ignores the fact that abstraction is our only means to make sense of experience outside of first experience itself, and that you could not use experience to confirm or deny the truth of Buddhism as he challenges you to do without a framework. The guy tries to logic when also saying a priori knowledge is BS. Where does logic come from? Oh yeah the sun at some point lol. But not a point in time because then you're using a concept which doesn't really exist lol. He likes to have his cake and eat it to.

It's some circular logic similar to what cult leaders foist upon suckers.

[–]_do_not_read_this_0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Buddhism, Yoga, Christianity all developed about the same time.

Study them and you'll see lots of cross-over concepts.

Plus, does it really matter if it borrowed and incorporated concepts from other sources?

[–]metallicdrama0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The entire point is where do proven parts of belief systems converge and where do unproven parts lie.

It does matter for this conversation. Buddhism has only one unique feature. Emptiness. The guy took Yoga and added nihilism to form a cult. I'm familiar with the word salad of how it really isn't nihilism because of more circular logic.

To successfully practice Buddhism is to adhere to Buddhism without a means by which to challenge it except with what Buddhism provides.

[–]SeedThrownAway20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

Proper meditation is more Red Pill than TRP

[–]Kidterrific9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well written piece. Thank you for this.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

There are very valuable things to learn from the buddhists. You showed a pretty important one, good post

[–]TheRoad155 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy

Lots of interesting discussion in the comments. To try and keep it on topic of sexual strategy...

One thing I want to say about this, is that I feel the Buddhist (and Stoic) way of thinking can help guys skip the anger phase. I read a book called Happiness by Mattieu Ricard and I would recommend it if you have difficulty accepting things in your daily life. My major takeaway from reading it and other similar material is that there is no right or wrong. The reason people do what they do (eg. hypergamy) is because of their circumstance/upbringing/morals/etc, but for them, it feels like "the right thing to do." Once you internalize this, it makes letting go of things a lot easier. Less anger towards the person that did something "wrong" in your opinion. Of course this doesn't include the things that all societies deem as bad for society (murder for example). I've also wanted to bring up this subject as I find the understandings of women/society/TRP to be much easier with this mindset. Hope this helps someone out there!

[–]RStonePT5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Why do you want to skip it? Anger in the way men express it is the one emotion that men feel that women don't. That and their fear of confrontation means men are constantly neutered from it. the fact that it exists to increase neuroplasticity in the brain, and allow it ot accept new information means it's also vital from a development standpoint.

What possible reason does one have to try to bypass it, other than to enable the female imperative to do so?

[–]TheRoad152 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

That's a really good point and I would agree that it has a purpose. Perhaps it's safer to say that this way of thinking is for people that have more difficulty dealing with their emotions and controlling them. I feel that I have a better grasp on reality and my interaction with it after reading this type of material. A general acceptance of the way of the world, which hopefully allows people to have an easier time swallowing the pill. But maybe you don't want them to have an easy time, because it should be hard haha.

[–]RStonePT2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have no idea myself, I've only seen it work a few hundred times, and for a large chunk of guys, getting pissed off, then realizing it was them being angry at themselves with 'whamen' as a surrogate seemed to work most consistently

[–]SeedThrownAway0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Important clarification: in meditation you put morality aside in order to refrain from adding guilt/shame/pride/lust/etc to your experience.

But Buddhists follow moral codes just like most religions.. Don't kill or steal or get drunk or bang some dudes wife, etc.

[–]Battagliare0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

there is no right or wrong.

Most retarded sentence bred from modernity.

You are just another NPC

[–]Nergaal5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Think of mindfulness as the exact antonym of anxiety.

Took me a long time to even get close to understanding mindfulness, and meditation. It's not an obvious feeling like say sex or a hard drug. It's more like having a nice cup of coffee or a nice smoking break.

[–]it-is-on1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Buddhism has two core wisdoms, greed and hatred. greed is wanting something, hatred is the opposite. anxiety is another form of hatred, the fear that something you don't want could happen. it all boils down to these two, which makes everything inherently not satisfying.

meditation is not the antonym but the antidot to suffering. it allows you to be mindful enough to understand why bad feelings and thoughts appear and create suffering.

meditation is watching yourself and your thoughts. to understand them and realize the reason for them. if you understand the root cause of your innermost desires, you can treat and resolve them.

[–]traumatix3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I've been a miserable sad sack of bitch these past couple days. Was dating this girl I really liked, ended up getting in my own head and long story short, lost her. She just leaves me on read now. Just sad and downright pathetic. Reading this gave me the reality check I needed. I know that I've accepted it because I'm actually laughing right now— at myself. Genuinely laughing. How silly it was of me to let something like that hold any weight over me. I feel great. Thanks brother.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No worries, man. Glad it helped. Accept the lose and be proactive moving forward.

[–]donajit3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

I have to admit this. Your post has given me a whole new perspective towards life.

[–]Vynxe-Vainglory3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

OG Buddhism is an excellent way to rid yourself of fear and unlock a lot of incredible power and unfuckwithableness.

I studied it a lot in my late teens / early twenties and was radiant as fuck. The clarity, creative boost, unshakeable inner stillness in the face of anything, and ability to savor and love reality in whatever form it took....this shit is next level. TRP doesn’t even touch it.

That being said, I was in a relationship during this time, and my “enlightened” personality ironically caused her a lot of dread and made her loyal and want to please me. After reading TRP, it makes sense. I did not fear losing her, I was not shy about showing love to others, I was impossible to shit test...so many things.

Take heed of the OPs post here, and walk the path.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Awesome reply. Appreciate it.

I often see a lot of mindfulness and Buddhism which undercurrents a lot of what is talked about in this sub. Like, a shitload of it.

It's a shame some guys are just so closed minded and binary.

[–]metallicdrama2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

Respectfully OP, Chad ain't gonna read that textbook. Mindfulness is too deep for Chad. Get money fuck bitches. Lift more. Don't lose frame. Keep It Simple.

Problem with AFCs applying mindfulness is they tend to overthink shit. And not do shit. It's really about being present in your experience and developing intuition. You have to go have experiences, not figuring out what you should do to have one properly.

Mindfulness teachings are a raft. When you've crossed the ocean you don't need them. This is an advanced Buddhist teaching. Basically at some point Buddhism becomes bullshit and you become the truth. True story. AFCs need to not philosophize and just focus on doing shit. Maybe be mindful of Cals and reps.

What would Chad do?

Radical acceptance isn't a Buddhism original btw. Buddhism is 90% yoga. Most of Buddhism is much older teachings repackaged for a new cult.

I used to love Buddhism. It's cancer bro. A wealthy warlord who fucked a million concubines and left his family to do yoga started his own cult in the forest telling weak broken people how to live, that now has a bunch of lost souls forcing themselves to be autistic. Emptiness is taught to keep people distracted on being Buddhist and Buddhism, by saying their identity and personal narrative is trash, instead of focusing on their life. It's a safe space. You might set yourself up for disappointment so don't want things and try to get them. It's for cripples to feel like they're flying instead of trying to fly.

Meditation is valuable. Even the 4 noble truths. Which Buddha didn't discover or invent. But all the baggage that's been attached to it since is trash and based on emptiness which is an intuitively BS doctrine that is unique of all religions that have ever existed. But not among cults. Buddhism is 90% yoga with nihilism by another name attached.

Go live a life. Don't worry about being mindful enough. You're already present. You don't need to be mindful of everything. Being happy is sometimes more beneficial when you're just happy and don't care why. Being mindful is mostly preoccupation for the sake of being preoccupied in that way. Buddhism says to do things for their own sake within a framework because everything is empty. To think otherwise is a construct. But Buddhism isn't a construct onto itself? Yoga teaches to practice for ecstasy because your life has purpose and meaning which you assign to it. This is the classic priori vs apriori debate. Our minds are prewired for meaning and constructs. Where's the radical acceptance of that? Yoga.

What would Chad do? Chad ain't gonna worry about if he smashed thots mindfully enough. Chad ain't gonna be concerned if he deadlifted more mindfully maybe he would have had 1% more gainz next week.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah man. I think I'm done with this sub. Between the 'hur dur, I'm Alpha free but stuck on a sub Reddit for consecutive years' to 'it's ALL a corporate plan to keep you down' feminist style fear, to 'mindfulness done got too big words for me'.

Some of these guys really need to get off the net and move on.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

I agree with you. Take action, be in the moment and go for what you want.

Cultivating mindfulness doesn't have to be at odds with that.

I can't, however, worry about what AFC's do to stay AFC's. They will use anything to remain passive and overthink.

It's like this sub. Some guys will use it to improve, some will just mentally masturbate.

I like the fact Buddhism is really Yoga. I'll look more into that. Appreciate the tip.

I must remain true to my own experiences and own understandings, though. Mindfulness has been a fucking awesome thing.

Maybe it's just me, but I DON'T use it to be passive or overthink. To me, one of the whole aims is to think less and just do more. TO not be attached to needing to 'know' it all first, and overthink. Just do be in the moment, let go.

For myself, it's been for MUCH WANT OF A BETTER WORD, an 'Alpha' approach to it. How does it serve me? How can I benefit from this? How can I use it? I study, try, take the feedback from my experience and goals.

There are plenty of things I've tried and rejected

[–]metallicdrama1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I probably wasn't clear. Mindfulness teaching ain't valuable here, but mindfulness is valuable everywhere. People who want to be mindful will be, and people who won't be mindful don't want to be.

You can teach someone there is being mindful and that it has benefits. Really nothing more. Like most of Buddhism it is you can show people a path but they have to walk it. Everyone must be a light on to themselves. People can truly only learn from their own experiences.

The Pali word for "monk" actually meant "seeker". Ironically, because people arrived to spiritual teachers seeking enlightenment and that seeking enlightenment meant that someone was definitely not enlightened, and far from it. And seeking it doesn't lead to it. They didn't call people considered to actually be enlightened "seekers". As time went on obviously people joining a temple at a young age were not lost souls but in the early days people arriving asking to be taught were considered to be lost and to be taught how to find their own way. Only after waking up in their daily life could they delve into the theory and teaching.

I wouldn't try to teach people on this sub this stuff. AFC or not. Not to be a dick but this ain't gonna help an AFC and it doesn't do anything for Chad. AFCs aren't even seekers and Chad is his own truth. Instead of presenting theory, demonstrate practice without jargon.

Buddhism is called the middle way because it's something in between Jainism and Yoga. Jainism was the counterculture at the time. Total rejection of the establishment culture. Buddha studied under Jain ascetics as well as yogis.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

See, that's a reply I can respect. I get what you're saying.

I totally understand and came to believe the 'seeker' stuff you're talking about. You can't seek what you already are.

I guess this stuff is my way. In a sense, it is my truth. I appreciate your explanation of why it won't be effective here. The environment isn't the place for it.

That's a lot more constructive than just 'hur dur, you're a corporate drone'.

That doesn't click with me, because that isn't what I am. I also don't stare at walls and breath, or accept passively. Or do a desk job, or whatever.

But, I do voice my truth, my experiences and my own wisdom. It's helped me move from homeless, no money, no job, deep addiction, and the END, to now living my mission doing hat I love, having success, fucking women, a decent amount of freedom. I guess that's why I own what I've experienced and how it translates as wisdom to me. I have the proof that something that I'm doing is working.

I'm not at all being defensive. I actually appreciate your replies, because they've prompted consideration and thinking. Not the beta 'oh some EC's are hell angry so I best not write this' bullshit beta shit that I just will not do.

However, the number of replies and private messaged I've gotten from guys thanking me for the post does say something.

Maybe it's not directly in line with how RedPill would like it (which is only adhering to a system). It's still touched some guys in a positive ways, so I'm always grateful for that.

[–]metallicdrama0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This sub is a mixed bag indeed. But isn't any group of people? I wouldn't leave just beside of the assclowns. I use them for entertainment. There's bootlickers following a dogma anywhere. But there's a time and a place for everything. Those guys are why maybe I am wrong and you should post this stuff.

[–]_do_not_read_this_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Buddhism, yoga, Christianity and other similar Eastern religions all developed about the same time. They obviously borrow theories and techniques from each other.

It's not bad or good like Metallic implies. Study them, take what works, put the rest in your pack. Don't reject them outright because you may want them later. You might not need a car jack today, but you may need it some day, so keep it handy.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil9 points10 points  (25 children) | Copy

Radical acceptance and Mc Mindfulness is a pacification strategy employed by corperations, governments and educational institutions to create a docile compliant workforce.

While mindfulness originally came out of Buddhism it's has since been ripped out if it's original context and grotesque contorted.

Mindfulness is being sold as a respite from hyperconsumerism, or as support for our struggle to comply with pressures to enhance productivity in the workplace. It is being used, for example, as a form of self-discipline in the service of enhanced productivity in corporate and institutional settings. Equally, the practice is being deployed by institutions to help mitigate consequences at heightened moments of distress such as when staff are being prepared to adapt to news of their imminent redundancy.

The fact that a corperate pacification process is being upvotes in a community dedicated to masculintity, independence and being Alpha is proof that out userbase are loser beta males who desperately want to figure out how to be a docile compliant alpha.

"Radical acceptance" is the exact opposite of leadership and masculintity which is why the beta males are upvoting it.

[–]Ikar114 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

These corporations only have meditation services on the paper. The number of souls actually do meditation is zero.

And also every corporations have well equipped gym and as you can guess the number of souls you find in gym is also zero.

If mindfulness was a pacification tool then corporations and institutions would make it compulsory for everyone.

[–]CainPrice4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Modern culture is to have no company loyalty. That's a thing of the 40s-50s. Today, your company is the bad guy, and the goal is to get away with doing as little actual work as possible while looking busy, and trash-talking your boss and the company at the water cooler with your fellow employees while watching your back from all of them.

Which means that when your company promotes a meditation program, you laugh at it and download your own app and do your own internet research on it because you don't want to follow the company agenda and like to think of yourself as an enlightened rebel who does "real" mindfulness while everyone else is a faker.

And when you read a post like this, your first knee-jerk reaction is to say, "Well, yeah, most people suck at it, but -I- do the real mindfulness thing". To immediately throw up a word definition screen over the issue so that whatever is lame is the other guys, and whatever is cool is what you do.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I haven't downloaded a meditation app. My workplace never suggested it. It can't be helped that 'beta' males want shortcuts. Kind of like the guys who lift just because a sub told them to.

I actually do think what I do is pretty cool. It gets me laid, too. 'I'm the prize', yadda yadda.

[–]Ikar111 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The real meditation has nothing to do with Mc Mindfulness passive acceptance voodoo shit.

You are in gym and you focus on your lift, you focus on the stress on muscles, and at the same time you are aware of your surroundings, and you are thinking about how many reps you did last time and how many you are increasing in the current session. You are completely in the moment.

This applies to all part of your life , you live in present, you see everything most people miss. And doing so your mind will eventually wander and start thinking about other futuristic stuff and you bring it back to the present, and you do it over and over again so that being present becomes your second nature.

I think the whole society has no fucking idea about what is meditation is all about, they buy books, apps and spend money on coaching yet they live daydreaming and fantasizing entire their life.

To do Meditation you don't have to sit or do anything special, just live in the moment. That's what the meditation is for me.

[–]CainPrice9 points10 points  (11 children) | Copy

Precisely. The notion that this therapy-inspired fad internet life philosophy that a guy learned about on the internet is somehow the answer to a better life, when nobody needed this shit half a generation ago is silly.

Everybody buying into this garbage has bought into the modern therapy-worshipping feel-good mentality of the 21st century. The very thing these same men would shit on if they read a post about a woman having the same mentality.

When your great grandfather didn't have any trouble at all accepting reality for what it was, taking responsive action, working hard, making shit happen, and having a decent life, one has to question: why is something so easy and obvious for men 100 years ago something that requires a modern fad philosophy to cope with today?

The idea that a man is somehow more enlightened than his great grandfather because he does some 21st century fad internet therapy-inspired pretentious life philosophy is kind of offensive.

All these trendy young men are so smarts and old people are the dumbs because old people don't know about being mindfulness enlightened like that YouTube video says.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy

What beta males fundamental want is the thing removed of it's essence. They want masculintity without the hard lifting. The want adventure without the danger in the form of a video game. With regard to mindfulness they want religion removed of it's onerous structure. Mindfulness is a diet soda Buddhism.

The next issue is that if you want to understand the essence of something you have to trace it's origin. Wow a Human Resources pacification technique this will definitely help me Alpha!

There is no difference between Mindfulness which is deployed as a corperate cope and Jordan Peterson who was YouTube algorithm promotes circa 2017 to pull people away from MGTOW and Altright content.

Spergs are incapable of seeing patterns which is why they will perpetually fall for this exact type of bullshit over and over.

https://www.pomoculture.org/2016/09/25/zombie-apocalypse-as-mindfulness-manifesto-after-zizek/

[–]CosbyTeamTriosby8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

l became independently wealthy and mindfulness helped me cope with the identity crisis I confronted of no longer being a corporate slave.

I abruptly had to deal with all the shit inside of me that was driving me to attach myself to the material world (intoxicants, people, things, experiences).

I was hooked on everything outside of myself and dealing with comedowns from all of it. Not a good place for me. Newfound wealth only threatened to exacerbate the problem.

My adoption of mindfulness has nothing to do with HR.

[–]CainPrice3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

That was a good thinking read that I'm willing to bet 95% of people didn't even click on, and of the 5% that did, 4% saw that it was more than 10 lines and not a numbered list and didn't read it.

[–]machoking_your_gf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's a very thought provoking piece, as anything involving Zizek often is. Thank you for linking it. However, what do you think of Buddhism proper as espoused by Evola in The Doctrine of Awakening? He too trivialises the religious and ethical tenets of Buddhism, but for very different reasons. Evola wrote that ancient Buddhism (based on the Pali cannon) offered a sure and direct path to pure spirituality for an aristocratic soul. He contrasts it to the plebeian Judeo-Christian faiths based on devotion. It seems he also views Buddhism as a series of techniques, but techniques that aim higher than religion and go beyond morality.

For my money, Buddhism was originally founded with the sole purpose of guiding the right sort of people to enlightenment. It was Traditional, which is to say undemocratic and hierarchical. Then Buddhism decayed into an ethical system of universal compassion and selflessness (in both senses of the word). Now it seems to be rotting further, turning into a method of achieving individual "wellness" to escape (rather than overcome) material suffering. Which of course benefits the engines of that material suffering.

What do you think of Buddhism in its various forms, GLO?

[–]dingleburry_joe3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

My great grandfather accepted his reality with ungodly amounts of booze, excessive violence, and domestic abuse. These are not allowed in 2020 lmao

[–]CainPrice0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No wonder you need therapy

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Again, are you addressing me, the OP, or is this all just an emotional reaction over a resentment you formed against 'all those beta guys on the internet'. Of which you're one.

I wrote the post. I have never had a meditation app. My workplace never encouraged it. I have studied with someone who owns their own business using mindfulness to treat trauma victims. The results have been phenomenal. I only do my shit with proven professionals.

I study a pathway to become a mindfulness teacher. A long, arduous pathway that is thoroughly against the short-cut, watered down internet fads.

My grandfather had a lot of trouble accepting reality. PTSD and alcoholism. They had their own struggle.

Again, you appear to be unleashing upon a pre-formed resentment based on 'it's all the internet, corporate people controlling the betas'. It sounds akin to feminist anger at 'the system'.

I never said it was the answer to a better life. You're projecting. I was merely explaining a concept. Beta males and feminists like to attribute words and arguments and sentences people didn't actually say, so they can take out their pent up resentments.

'The notion that this therapy-inspired fad internet life philosophy that a guy learned about on the internet is somehow the answer to a better life, when nobody needed this shit half a generation ago is silly.' - and again, you described this subreddit in a nutshell.

[–]CainPrice1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You don’t understand the internet.

Nobody is addressing you. Every comment in this thread is for the benefit of onlookers so they know to dismiss you.

If some lost boy were to read this post and all of the losers masturbating over how cool this fad is and not see my responses, he might actually think it’s worth a shit. Six months later, he’s still a virgin, but hey - he meditates and watches Jordan Peterson YouTube videos. Which counts as work and improvement so he can feel good about all this progress he thinks he’s making.

Encouraging impressionable lost boys to get into bullshit like this is bad for them. I have a duty to inform them that you have mental health issues and that you’re peddling therapy disguised as a cool-sounding philosophy.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're actually peddling a pre-conceived resentment and close-mindedness.

You're saying 'this is what I think of it, so this is what you must think of it'.

It is worth a shit. I've actually done it, and use it as part of a range of tools.

Has it helped me get women? Of course. It's helped achieve a deeper frame, more outcome independence, more responding and less reactivity. More IDGAF, less worrying about or caring about whatever she's doing. It helped slow my head from over-thinking all this RP shit, helped approach anxiety. This sub is filled with many of the exact concepts that things like mindfulness does. I don't expect you to agree, because you've never read serious texts on it, or done any proper study or practice. How could you know?

It helped take a lot of the concepts and mentalities here and actually embody them.

What you're actually pushing is 'don't try it for yourself and see if it helps'. Be a beta and just believe what I believe.

RedPill was always about 'try and see for yourself'. I do that, and did it pay off? Yes.

Anyway. You're not interested. You're stuck in binary thinking you gained from somewhere else and not your own experience. That doesn't interest me.

[–]ToTC_Eric1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There are numerous scientific benefits to meditation. Mindfulness is one of the common practices of meditation, and regardless of the coined buzzword, it is an extremely useful tool. All of your and GLOs posts read like you both have little experience with it.

[–]zer1650 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ehhh...to be fair, you didn't need Game half a century ago to get laid either. That being said, I do not agree with the tradcon "mindfulness" slavery trap nonsense.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Exactly. I totally agree. Which is why I don't do any main stream, watered down version of anything.

I've never watched a Mindfulness YouTube video, as has been mentioned, in my life,

Also, acceptance is NOT supposed to be passive acceptance. That was explained in my post.

It's really the idea that bitching/complaining/hoping things were just different/victim mentality does not help anyone. It's wasted effort.

You first have to accept, so you CAN start working towards what you want.

Beta pacification and zombie inducing is NOT the real stuff. That's a blue pill world's bastardization of something.

I'm agreeing with you. If something is not causing you to take action in your life and get further towards what you want, why would you do it?

I'm not talking about that

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Maybe you are the exception. Let's hope for the best

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yep. We have to be steadfast in rooting out the real core of things and deciding if and how they can be implemented to get what we want.

A beta just blindly follows new age, cut down versions of shit.

An Alpha goes to the heart, says 'let me get to the true heart of this shit, try it, and take note of my own results'.

I personally cannot stand the new age, spiritual, meditation, koom by yah crowd. It's all spiritual bypass

[–]AthanasiusDjango0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

For me mindfulness is a positivist framing of attributing a passive action with the frame of an active one. In a world increasingly bombarded with technology which beeps and buzzes us constantly back into cyberspace and which compels us to either "hustle" or "enjoy" the very (in)action of winding down and disconnecting from the network has to adopt a "positive action" frame so that we keep feeling that we are achieving something and being productive members of society through purposeful inaction.

[–]OnceNamed2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm a practicing Buddhist and OP's post is some blase drivel, that's for sure. Mindfulness does not equate to Buddhism. It's a bastardized co-opted concept used to decrease resistance to standing corporate cultural mores.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yea that's what I thought. The only know for sure is to watch op's Mindfulness presentation that he performs at drug rehab centers

[–]topopox0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, and it sucks because actual resources for "old-fashioned" meditation are scarse because Mc Mindfulness is promoted on every corner of every corporation and Internet.

[–]falconiawillfall1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If anyone is serious about meditating and wants to develop the mindfulness OP explains, I highly reccomend The Mind Illuminated by Culadasa. It's a step by step guide to meditating that teaches both why and how you should do it.

Edit: I want to add that developing the level mindfulness talked about in Buddhism is impossible without meditating

[–]dingleburry_joe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good post. I think it's for guys like myself still conquering inner game. Yes I'm lifting, yes I do BJJ, yes I hit on chicks. Mentality is the critical point and is the lens out of which a man views himself and life.

Thanks.

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[–]jvm17761 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for this article. A lot of people suffer because we want the world to be a "certain way". This leads to anger, resentment, anxiety and suffering. It leads to the frustration and resentment arising in men when they experience abandonment and betrayal in relationships, such as one often finds in the stories of blue-pilled men.

Without acceptance, holding onto the idealism of the past and *wanting other people to change for us* is just going to prolong the misery and pain. A lot of people are stuck like this, even for decades, wanting the other people or the world to *conform to their desires*.

The teaching of Buddhism can help in this regard because it teaches to accept the world the way it is, not in the nihilistic or passive way, but because this is the nature of things. One then relates to the external situations with understanding and flexibility, detaching one's sense of self and existence from the disappointment (cf. maintaining frame). There are some really good posts on "frame" in TRP that correlate well with Vipissana teaching.

The TRP equivalent perspective is to accept that men and women are sexually-oriented creatures (ie. accept the reality for what it is), and to adopt behavior to capitalize on these dynamics rather than fighting or being offended about this state of affairs.

Another important aspect of Buddhist teaching is wisdom (panna) and virtue (sila). The internet mindfulness fad leaves these aspects out, but wisdom and virtue are actually more important than mindfulness. Why? Because mindfulness without wisdom and virtue would just leave a person making the same mistakes and unethical behavior that harms themself and others. That would mean that one continues to cause suffering for oneself and others, thus negating a central component of Buddhism: to seek the end of suffering.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Great reply. Thanks a lot. I did write a detailed response, but my battery died and I lost it.

Acceptance is huge. You're right. Once we accept, we can then then use wisdom to navigate through the situation.

[–]deepspace72 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent write up about mindfulness and acceptance. I teach it all the time to my clients in counselling.

[–]EvelynnSpoiler0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I picked this stuff up from RSD during its peak. Could never distinguish in why the world felt better after meditating, but after reading The Power of Now by Eckart Tolle, it all started to make sense.

[–]drv120210 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

good post. I'll be sure to read it again. Thanks!

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[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, mate. It's a paradox many can't fully get comfortable with. Acceptance does not mean passive acceptance. It will change, there is action we must take.

If we live in denial and anger, then nothing changes.

What we resist, will persist. Acceptance is the first step at being able to do something with it.

[–]krowitz0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good stuff. Radical acceptance is the way. Mindfulness is getting a bad rap here because a lot of people here are trapped in this binary way of thinking.

I remember this Buddhist monk I encountered a few years back. I was pulling up to a parking spot near an electronics store in the Philippines. I already saw him when I was entering the parking lot, but I didn't notice him run after my car. He was there, waiting for me. When I got out of the car, he put on the wooden beads he was wearing on to me, bowed his head and closed his eyes while putting a palm on top of my head.

Then he slapped me strongly across the face. He then put on a bracelet of round beads with Chinese characters on my right wrist, smiled at me, and took back his necklace. He then bowed again, and left.

To this day, I still do not understand what the hell happened. Does it have to do with Buddhist philosophy?

[–]Batman-von-Pepe0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

My foray into the Buddhist mindset was when I was learning to deal with loss. The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying really helped me put life and loss in perspective and form a new way of framing the inevitability of death. I have not however gone back and read it from a RP perspective. It has always been something I pick up and skim whenever I'm reading one of the stoics as I find some parallels between the two.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, I see a lot of parallels with the stoics and mindfulness.

[–]manonthemoon140 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Any good podcasts in relation to mindfulness or some good self guided meditations out there? I’ve used calm before but was wondering if there’s more

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't really do much from the internet.

If you want an app, I think Headspace is good.

Also Thich Nhat Hanh is a great guy to look into. He is a Zen master and Buddhist teacher. One of the most known in the world. Look him up on YouTube

[–]bpdloveoflife0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

In my own example, give the unfortunate circumstances I found myself in, I had not choice but to start accepting reality, quickly and I found my way to it via mindfulness. Without going into too much details, my quality of life changed a 100 times very quickly. Reading your post, I realised that you have verbalized excellently things I learnt along the way in my journey. Couldn't have put it any better. This post opened my eyes to what redpill is all about. I can say that people wont understand what you have written, without embarking on the journey. I just want to encourage anyone reading this to start their journey and see where it takes. Thanks for posting this.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Warning: too much meditation might lead you to graduate from TRP. Use with caution.

[–]krakalot2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

the idea is to graduate from TRP. This place is great in some ways such as a lot of the side-bar and original top posts before we got some of the more retarded shit people bought into like dark triad/monk mode/warlords/etc but has mostly been an endless cycle of anger/self-masturbatory feel good stories/"work hard, play hard, fuck lots of women, brag about it online" hype machine since forever.

If you're still on here regularly as a functioning adult who's internalized some of the core concepts of understanding the reality of sexual attraction and necessary components to male smv, then you're either one of the teachers or you haven't actually learned your lesson.

Bragging about how you are spinning plates to randoms online with a veneer of copy paste trp buzzwords over it doesn't change the fact that you're obviously still hung-up on women passing you over in the past and want to prove to others and yourself that you're past it and nobody will ever hurt you again.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Understanding that the value of a man does not lie in the number of women he has slept with, and that there are more important things to achieve like personal happiness and the cultivation of empathy also helps a lot.

[–]CainPrice-4 points-3 points  (51 children) | Copy

The fact that recognizing reality and accepting that it’s actually real is some kind of technique or philosophy and not just a by-product of being alive, and that you have to breathe for half an hour convincing yourself that reality is real and you should do something productive is, itself, a big source of non-productivity.

[–]_do_not_read_this_4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Meditation and mindfullness are two different, albeit related, concepts.

[–]tdfrantz3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Mindfulness meditation isn't for everyone, but many people (myself included) are willing to throw support behind it, after giving it a try for a while. Have you ever tried mindfulness meditation?

[–]dominicthetiger2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's just human condition. We're just self aware animals. Our kind has collectively made no conscious effort to adapt to this new form of exsistence, rather we just exist like we did when we were still primates. Nothing has really changed from the early ages, we heaven't evolved any further, we just sped up the procesesses and that allows us to live as decadently and radically as we want.

[–]RStonePT3 points4 points  (23 children) | Copy

Jesus fucking christ.

If people want to believe in this 'god is in the gaps' nonsense they are welcome to it. Rant about the triumvate method, Evola, MBTI, chakras and whatever you want. It's dumb, but no one is here to tell someone what to do.

The fact you're peddling it in some weird validation seeking way shows just how little you have clued into what goes on here. (or used to)

From a red pilled lens: How does any of this get me laid? I don't care who says otherwise, this is a sexual strategy place, and always has been a sexual strategy place. Not a Jordan Peterson IDW circlejerk, not an Evola fansub, not pigeon dancing BF Skinner-esque ritual creation space. Not politics, not minimalism, not car maintenance, not anything else.

Sexual strategy, aka getting laid more often, better, and the freedom to pursue self actualization once you are. That's it. The positive male identity is a servant to the ultimate goal, that being an attractive aloof, and desirable man created options and abundance, of which will create a life well lived.

I’ve seen a lot of uninformed ideas and opinions on I would take the chance to retort some of the misunderstanding and how effective a Mindful view can help a man trying to swallow the pill.

The pill has nothing to do about mindful shit. Go fuck about in a Mark Manson forum if that is your goal. And from the critique I see of it, no one is misinformed. They are dismissive of it, but well informed.

Mindfulness, in essence, is a way of cultivating a skilled, intentional expansive way to interact with yourself and the world. It is ‘paying attention, on purpose, to the present moment, without judgement’.

I'd love if you could take this word salad chomskybot bit and apply it to a single use case for the average guy coming here

One of the key principles is ‘radical acceptance’. To change anything, we must first accept everything. A key tenant in Buddhist philosophy is that suffering is caused by a man’s inability to accept the present moment, in it’s totality. Instead, to fight against it, to wish it were somehow ‘different’. To resist and deny. It isn’t the present reality which creates suffering, but his relationship to the present moment.

I find it ironic that you suggest the big part people don't get is living in the now, while espousing ancient agricultural scripture. It's half truths filled with superfluous nonsense. Yes, it sucks when a guy is living with mental models that do not map to the real world, but this whole line of text only confuses people. It's vague jingoisms make it even easier for a guy to continue to bullshit himself and continue to 'suffer'. It's self inflicted misery wrapped up as a coping mechanism

He must first learn to accept the reality of everything, before he can make conscious, skillful choice and action.

What makes a choice conscious or skillful? Why not tell a guy to have a full, conscious and skillful breakfast? Those adjectives are an attaboy. Don't just learn, adapt and act, no no, it has to be skillful choice. You're mapping adjectives to a mans identity that he does not need. Soon, instead of acting and learning from his experiences you'll have him bullshit himself into thinking all his choices based in the irrational fear of rejection are instead 'skillful' because he can make an elaborate backstory to it.

the difference between frame and NPD is whether the justification for an action comes before or after you perform it. And this WILL lead to post hoc rationalizations from every douche in here who fancies himself 'skillful'

Most people resist their circumstances. They spend their time complaining, in victim, resentful, discomfort because things are not how they want them to be.

This is a given for this place, and a very simple and easy to make observation. It's disconnected from everything else, which I presume you intend to have as the 'call to action'

Buddhism also distinguished between pain and suffering. Pain is inevitable. Pain is a human emotion. Things in this life will cause us pain. Suffering is caused by resistance. The longer we live in resistance, wishing things were just different, we suffer.

You've really got to define terms, because pain can't be an emotion, as well as actions upon the person. Suffering makes no sense. resistance how, resistance to what?

Blackpillers, anger phase men, incels, most MGTOW’s, all live in resistance to the way things are. They are so caught in bitching, complaining, whining, crying and playing victim.

They aren't the audience here, regardless of how many are the incel sub refugees who think they belong here. Why do you cater to people who are dead weight to this sub?

I skipped a ton of what you put here because it's repetitive. You keep saying the same thing over and over and over. My grandfather was a minister, I recognize the sermon. Say it enough times and people start to believe it. The question is, do you know what you're doing, or are you just dancing to the tune you were given?

Becoming RedPill IS radical acceptance. It is seeing the present moment in it’s entire truth. Women are not saints, they have options, they want men of value. Becoming a man of value is difficult. Where you might be in the beginning is NOT optimal. Out of shape, no purpose, no great value.

This is all as hard as you want to make it. Another annoying trait of guys taking the pill is they make it sound like they are storming Normandy. In reality, it's putting the dumb shit down, being consistent and deliberate with your actions, and observing with your eyes instead of your heart. It's not hard, it's boring, consistent, and effective. Anyone attaching the 'struggle' onto it is jerking themselves off by pretending it's some suffering struggle with the cosmos ... Guys love to feel the underdog against the enemy, it absolves us of the responsability of failure, and is the same mindset of the plow horse husband who complains how much of a bitch his soon to be ex wife is ... It's masturbatory

RedPill men first must radically accept everything. The truth of the SMP. The truth of women. The truth of men. The truth of where they are at RIGHT NOW, IN THE PRESENT.

Absolutely not accept everything and whatever 'radically accept' means, definitely not. this is retards on the internet talking to other retards on the internet. Use you're fucking head, try things out and see what works and what doesn't. That's not radical acceptance, thats cold hearted skepticism and infinate curiosity. (hey, when I add cool sounding adjectives to an act it makes them sound cool!)

Only then, can you begin to move forward. Only then, can you make conscious, deliberate choices.

what is forward. What does it even mean?

  • get laid more? then say that!
  • stop being miserable? then say that!

When you say moving forward you're creating the foggy definition of success. Men are an ego invested gender, and if they have a chance to bullshit themselves, they will.

Mindfulness is being aware of how we relate to the WAY THINGS ARE. How we relate to the present. Do we resist it? Or do we radically accept it, and so free ourselves to take action?

You could have cut the repetitive mantra shit out of this post and it would have been a paragraph. You could cut out the fancy adjectives and had it down to a tweet

What are you resisting, or just wishing would be magically different, which stops you from taking action?

Right back at ya fella

[–]RedFlatEars1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

what is forward. What does it even mean?

⁠> get laid more? then say that!

⁠> stop being miserable? then say that!

Man this hit me hard, I've been having trouble finding a mission in life and I feel this is why, I keep telling myself to "move forward" instead of just being honest with what I want (get laid and get a decent job that I like). Being vague with myself didn't help me at all.

Sometimes speaking plainly gets the point across.

[–]RStonePT4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's the biggest fallacy in so many things, sexual strategy and general life purpose being one of them:

There is not a single path, from infant to man, and everything is either good or evil. You have varied wants and desires, various aptitudes and time to work on it.

there are many 'man' archetypes, many of them do well. Author, explorer, CEO, Father etc

[–]Deus_Vultan0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

If you were being mindful you would notice that you were saying the "shit" as op but in a different way. (The stuff op wrote about radical acceptance is copypasted from psychology today)

[–]RStonePT1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

No. In separating the curds from the whey.

There's no point to this if you're going to wrap it up in another pile of bullshit. And if phych today wrote this for op then that's there problem.

Garbage is garbage even with a website with a fancy name wrote it

[–]Deus_Vultan-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

Did you notice the false statements you made in your first post? Ops post may or may not be garbage, but it is saying the same things you said.

[–]RStonePT1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Keep repeating it if it makes you feel better

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Why do I have to say it the way you'd prefer?

How 'beta' would it be to say to myself 'this is how I want to say it. Oh, wait, RStonePT doesn't like this, better change it to his language'.

Woujo just wrote a multiple page essay which could be boiled down to 'Have a mission. Get over your fear and anxiety about the unknown, and stay on the mission'.

Did you get angry that he didn't simplify it for you?

One would hope that a guy who is rationalizing avoiding rejection would realise that's not a very optimal outcome. If he's stupid enough to convince himself that's skillful, then there isn't much hope for him. A word in a RedPill post probably isn't the problem.

That's it. The positive male identity is a servant to the ultimate goal, that being an attractive aloof, and desirable man created options and abundance, of which will create a life well lived.

If it's already established and prescribed, then why are we here? Why not shut down the sub and just include the guides to achieve what you've described?

If it's already established, isn't any further contributions or writing just complicating the matter?

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's not about me or you.

This post is half truths wrapped in mysticism.

[–]_do_not_read_this_0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

"AWALT" teaches you to accept women for what they are, not the fairy tale that society, religion, your upbringing or past history tell you they are.

"Outcome independence" teaches you to have no expectation from an interaction - a text, a cold approach, a job interview - other than to have the interaction without getting invested in the result to the point where disappointment - "suffering" in Bhuddist terms - happens.

These are mindfulness techniques that have been around for centuries.

They're also Red Pill techniques that have been around for decades. I don't see anything wrong with the OP putting them into a historical and broader philosophical context.

Have you ever told someone "AWALT" when they were fretting over a cheating girlfriend? Then you were promoting acceptance of reality.

Have you ever told someone to approach a woman without an expectation of getting laid or even getting a number? Then you were promoting outcome independence, which is part of mindful acceptance.

[–]RStonePT-1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy

So what reason do I have to add all the breathing and spirituality? I've already got all the concepts I need, and I don't have to drown it in pablum and repetitive nonsense adjectives and mantras

And stop giving me the sales pitch, I am not ignorant of what you're talking about, which is why I dismiss it like I do.

[–]_do_not_read_this_3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

"I am not ignorant of what you're talking about,"

Then why ask me about the breathing and spirituality, if you already know everything about it?

I don't have to drown it in pablum and repetitive nonsense adjectives and mantras

Great that you don't need this. But some people do. The OP's post was written for those who do need it, in a manner calculated to lead at least some of those people to understanding. His style doesn't work for you, that's cool.

Accept that you didn't connect with the article and move on.

[–]RStonePT1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's a rhetorical question you retard.

Accept that you didn't connect with the article and move on.

This is not the point of my rebuttal. This is not within the scope of the subreddit, is full of bullshit with the occasional useful concept peppered in. Whether I like it or not is irrelevant.

[–]_do_not_read_this_0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Calling me names only devalues your message, which frankly isn't that clear to begin with.

On this internet, typed words on a screen that are meant to be rhetorical don't always come across as rhetorical. That's poor communication on your part in not understanding the medium, not a misunderstanding on my part.

If the OP isn't within the scope of the subreddit, delete it, you're an EC.

[–]RStonePT-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

EC's aren't mods you moron. Swell guy whose special opinion matters to everyone because you say so

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

So what you're saying is, because you already know a lot of the stuff the ideas are irrelevant?

Look how many simple ideas are hashed out into over-intellectualized posts in this sub. The majority of stuff is over-thought, overly explained concepts which in reality boil down to some pretty basic stuff.

So what reason do I have to add all the breathing and spirituality? I've already got all the concepts I need

Well, that's great. If you have have what you need, leave the rest. Not sure what the problem is for you.

[–]topopox1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

So what you're saying is

OP reveals herself to be Cathy Newman larping in TRP sub

[–]RStonePT2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

He couldn't have strawmanned it better if he tried.

[–]RStonePT1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Off topic stuff

Note: OP and I are not having a conversation, we are talking to you the readership. Ask yourself what value is in this post for you

This is quality control, not a debate, attack or whatever personal thing OP thinks this is.

There is nothing in his post relevant to sexual strategy or positive male identity (as it pertains to the former). It's off topic and full of repetitive jingoistic nonsense.

The post is objectively bad, and this comment exists to show the readership why, because a few people seem to think breathing in a corner is sexual strategy. that the OP seems to think this is a conversation with him shows that he's invested in this. He is not the intended audience of the comments here, you are...

Maybe it sticks, maybe it doesn't. Maybe I'm wrong and strategic stoid useful awesome superman mindful shit is actually the key to not being a fat lazy sexless bastard. It has not ever entered into my experiences in the matter, so I highly doubt it.

I know bullshit when I see it, whether the OP buys his own bullshit is another story.

It's not.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy

That's not what it is, though. The post already explains that. It is not passive acceptance.

And given the fact of how many men end up in anger phase, or one of the other groups mentioned, then cultivating acceptance, even if it as simply staring at the all would be a better step than they are aking.

[–]CainPrice2 points3 points  (15 children) | Copy

Your grandfather didn't need special techniques and philosophies to understand and accept reality and decide how he's going to act.

Why are you so fucked up that you need special techniques to recognize reality and decide what to do?

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy

Many of our Grandfathers didn't need anything to know how to fuck women. Imagine how many turn in their graves if they were watching us revisit and revisit a sub-reddit to garner the same information we probably read in the first few months.

[–]CainPrice1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

Exactly. Why are you fucked up when your grandfather just understood reality as a by-product of being alive? Why do you need some kind of modern fad philosophy to be able to decide what to do in response to reality?

Your grandfather would laugh at you. You bought into the modern therapy craze.

Everyone mentally masturbating about how they think about things and how it makes them feel and telling each other about it and high-fiving each other over their smart-sounding pretentious life philosophies.

Your grandfather would laugh his ass off at what an idiot you are. The fact that you have to sit and think and consciously force yourself to see and accept reality and decide what to do, and tell all of your friends about the techniques you use to do it...why are you so fucked up when men 100 years ago could just see reality and do things?

This modern therapy craze isn't you being better and more enlightened. It's you being backward and fucked up and having to come up with ways to compensate for the fact that men 100 years ago were smarter than you.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

Damn dude. Why so angry? All it is, is having acceptance of things.

I see so many guys in anger phase, black pill, MGTOW, incelldom.

It's a pretty basic concept that radical acceptance is going to help a few guys come to terms with it and start taking some positive action.

Everything about RedPill is helping a guy have a massive amount of acceptance, and pointing what he can actually DO about it.

I don't understand why you are so angry when it is simply described in different language than you're used to.

'Everyone mentally masturbating about how they think about things and how it makes them feel and telling each other about it and high-fiving each other over their smart-sounding pretentious life philosophies.'

This is when I know it's an EC to avoid, because you start making up scenarios to support your anger and ignorance.

Who is doing that? Not me. One could argue sitting on this sub for how many years is 'just sitting on the internet typing with people you don't know about how get da womeeenz'.

Why do YOU need some modern fad sub Reddit to help you get laid? 'How does this help need get laaiidd'?

I'm not trying to be personal or start anything with you, but it's clear with most EC's who get angry that they are doing the exact thing they are often bitching about. Projection.

The actual process of Mindfulness is nothing that you get so angry about. You wouldn't know though, because you haven't ever done it seriously.

So, you're not actually criticizing it. You're criticizing your perception of it, and how it's described.

[–]CainPrice1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Let's cut to it:

Mindfulness isn't actually inspired by cool eastern philosophy - not that eastern philosophy is actually cool. Western fascination with Buddhism came into vogue with the liberal rejection of religion and conservative culture. Which is why Westernized yoga and meditation and all that jazz has been completely stripped of any actual cultural, traditional, or religious elements and been sanitized and secularized - because our fascination with the East came when Western society decided that it hated the West and everything conservative about it.

But feaux eastern philosophy aside, mindfulness is actually inspired by our modern therapy-worshipping culture. You used to whisper behind someone's back when she was seeing a therapist. Now, everyone's like "lol guess what my therapist said last week". Mindfulness is repackaged cognitive behavioral therapy, taken right from your local therapist's playbook. That same arrogant theory where reality doesn't matter, only you do, that the therapist down the street on her fourth husband peddles to bored housewives. That's what you're being sold in mindfulness. It's just mixed with enough feaux eastern philosophy so you don't recognize it.

Your grandfather was mentally healthy and handled his shit. You grew up staring at screens and reading bullshit on the internet, below-average looking, with poor social skills, unable to get laid or find relationships, where getting a good job and lots of money is hard. And you're not happy but think that you're supposed to be happy all the time. And you found this fad idea on the internet called mindfulness that helps you cope with the fact that the world is hard.

If you need tools like this to help cope with things that normal people just do regularly, you are mentally ill and using self-help therapy to face the world.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I actually agree with you. One hundred percent. I can't stand the false 'therapeutic' tools and styles which don't actually achieve anything for people. Which serve to keep then stuck.

I work in therapeutic relationships with people from addiction, trauma, domestic violence, sexual abuse, homelessness etc. I cannot stand 'therapies' which merely anesthetize someone to reality and moving forward.

However, you're strawmanning me to a degree. I haven't pushed that stuff at all. I know the world is hard. You don't know my history. You don't know what I have had to rebuild from in the last four years.

I also wasn't below average looking, socially inept or unable to get laid. RedPill helped me learn and understand more.

But back to the point of Mindfulness. It isn't a fad version I learnt from the internet. It isn't a way to deny reality and only be about me.

I agree with the take you're criticizing, but that isn't how I incorporate it, or what is contained in the OP.

You're strawmanning, because you're criticizing an idea/opinion/impression you have of mindfulness and therapy which is pretty ingrained in you.

That's ok. I have no problem with what you're arguments are. But they aren't what I am talking about.

Radical acceptance of the way things are, is the first step to DOING something about it. No matter how fucked up, painful, shitty current circumstances are, you can't change them, because they are already that way.

In terms of dating. You're fat, don't lift, dress like a slob, but complain because you want girls but they like buff, well dressed, together guys?

The first step is to ACCEPT the reality. They like that, but you're this. Then you can decide what to do about it.

It's not difficult to grasp. And yes, I have put it in certain language and description. However, most of RedPill is that. Long, drawn out descriptions of simple things.

But my main point is the strawmanning. You can address the points in the OP, or continue counteracting your ideas, which I agree with, but aren't the OP.

[–]CainPrice1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The last ditch wail of a mentally ill beta is to throw out a smokescreen and play the word definition game.

“That lame thing you’re describing isn’t the real thing. I do the real thing. And anything lame you say is those other guys and not the cool real thing like me.”

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's it exactly.

The fact of the matter remains. What you're describing isn't what I'm talking about.

Oh god, now we're going into the Alpha/beta retorts.

Cool personal jab. 'That's so beta, brah'.

Have fun, bud.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am also well aware that some of comments haven't fully grasped the OP.

I briefly mentioned meditation. But meditation isn't being mindfully aware of the world and moving through it.

True mindfulness encourages interaction, and engagement with the difficulties of life, but in a way where we respond in ways that help us move forward.

The passive practice of meditation alone is avoiding life.

[–]_do_not_read_this_-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy

Not everybody has a filterless view of reality.

Society, religion, family, personal history, the education system in the West, the media, have all clouded the general population's view of what's what.

That's why.

[–]CainPrice-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

Your grandfather would laugh at you. You bought into some internet fad philosophy you can pretentiously tell all of your friends about and feel so sophisticated about.

If your truck is broken down, you fix your truck or pay someone else to do it. The fact that you'd whine about your broken truck and how unfair life is and be crippled from action if it weren't for special magical mindfulness techniques is fucked up.

Your grandfather would laugh at you. The very notion that you have to sit around thinking about shit and accepting it - that this is some active part of your life you have to consciously do...and tell everyone about how you're doing it. He might spank you too for being an idiot.

[–]_do_not_read_this_0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I've been meditating and practicing mindfullness long before the internet took off, I started in the mid '90s. I don't tell my friends about it, and it doesn't make me feel sophisticated. You seem to make a hobby out of being wrong.

Not sure your point about the truck, maybe stop and formulate your ideas more clearly before you post next time.

[–]CainPrice-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wow. You're so indie! You were doing mindfulness before it was cool, sold out, and went commercial. You're even cooler than these other guys who do it now!

I take it back. Your grandfather would totally high-five you and probably wishes he was as enlightened as you are. He wouldn't think you're an idiot at all. That conversation with him would go amazingly, and he'd conclude by telling you how in your debt he is for how much you've taught him.

[–]Oculument0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Grandfather is dead. Fuck him for inventing the pill, giving women the vote, inventing the welfare state, and on and on... Grandfather fucked up over and over. Grandfather could fix a truck but because of him we are also "enjoying the decline".

Maybe grandfather's ways can be improved upon?

[–]CainPrice0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

If only grandpa had exposed to new age self-help internet materials, huh?

Let's cut to the chase: Mindfulness is mental health therapy techniques blended with just enough watered-down fake eastern philosophy to keep you from recognizing it.

If you need mindfulness to help you cope with the world, you have mental health issues.

Your grandfather didn't need that shit because he was mentally healthy and understood the way of the world. But you do, because you grew up with your nose in a screen, socially awkward, below-average looking, can't get laid or talk to girls, getting a good job and lots of money is tough, and facing the world is hard for you. You have mental health issues and have turned to an internet self-help fad to do therapy on yourself.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Come on, man. The level of insecurity you're showing is huge. The level of narrative you've ingrained in yourself to make you feel like you know something....just, damn.

You have no idea what anyone's Grandfather's here did, or were like.

And just telling people who they were and why they came here is like some insecure way of making yourself seem like some 'Alpha' who has it together.

'You were all just some socially inept, below average looking guys whose life was so hard for. I'm not including myself in this, which signifies I must have my shit together and what I say is right'.

Dude...I've said it earlier. You have been on the manosphere and RedPill for how long?

What stopped YOU from 'just knowing what to do'? That you've had to hang around for so long?

Who are you to accuse others that their Grandfathers must have just known shit, so why don't they. When you're on a fucking subreddit and section of the internet intended for guys who don't get it?

[–]Deus_Vultan-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy

Reality is the way we perceive the world. Imagine you never knew you were colourblind, would you say that your reality was the same as mine or would you just assume it? Imagine you were a mute deaf blind cripple.

[–]CainPrice-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

What is this word salad? If your grandpa was deaf, he’d learn sign language. Not practice mindfulness. Why the heck are modern men so fucked up that they need daily therapy just to face the world?

[–]Deus_Vultan2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

Take your gaslighting bullshit elsewhere.

[–]CainPrice-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy

Make no mistake. “Mindfulness” is just modern cognitive behavioral therapy, straight from your local therapist on her fourth husband, blended with just enough feaux eastern philosophy to keep you from recognizing it.

If you need mindfulness techniques to help you cope with life, you have mental health issues.

[–]Deus_Vultan1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Well mindfulness is a tool to deal with specific mental health issues so i agree there.

[–]CainPrice1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Exactly. Your grandpa knew how the world worked. Life was tough back then, too, but he handled his shit.

You and most men like you grew up with your nose in a screen, reading internet bullshit all day long, below-average looking, with shit social skills, few friends, unproductive hobbies, unable to get laid or find girlfriends, trouble finding a good job or making lots of money, and you're not happy. You find the world difficult.

You're mentally ill and essentially doing daily self-help therapy to help yourself cope with things that everybody else just does normally. If you're ready to admit that you have mental health issues, see an actual therapist and stop with the self-help internet bullshit.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

'stop with the self help internet bullshit'.

But mate, YOU'RE ON INTERNET SELF-HELP. You not only have attended this sub and the manosphere for how many years, you're an official Contributer.

Isn't that the very definition of 'oh, I will rip on that, but I do it to but it's cool when I do it'.

'Stop with the internet self-help bullshit'. *Proceeds to visit the manosphere and RedPill for consecutive years, asking 'how does this help me get laid'?

And most people don't just 'do normally'. We are at an all time high for mental illness and stress. Shaming some dudes for being proactive in doing what a lot of people infact don't do well at all is not helping.

And how do you know what guy's grandfather's did? This blanket statement of 'your grandfather just knew how to do it' is just an empty comeback full of nothing.

You sound like a fucking hypocritical fucktard. You've become angry and close minded. Even plummeting to the depths of 'that's beta, brah'.

As an EC I've lost total respect for you, and don't see any validity in anything you say.

But I know. What I just said will be in some form of 'that's beta'. What a pathetic internet comeback.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill-1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy

Listen OP, I suggest you stop the Buddhism at this point. This is a sub for sexual strategy and men's growth not spirituality. Anything you try to talk of that's beyond the scope of what's needed here will necessarily devolve into half truths because it will have to be slanted for objectives that aren't really the original goals of stuff like Buddhism. That means you end speaking half truths and a poorly made mish mash of sex and zen that have little real value to the reader.

When I wrote my last 2 posts with a spiritual slant, I specifically did so with the aim of giving tools to people to get out of being trapped in their mind's illnesses, which serves their original objectives better. They aren't directly meant to help get girls, they're there for fixing deeper issues within and it's only authentic if they stick to that. I wrote it simple enough for people to see it for themselves and use it.

Intellect is good, but intellect is just dissecting stuff. Action is what counts. Beyond that it has no real value.

Beyond that spirituality or mysticism or whatever has no relevance to the sub. And it becomes inauthentic really quickly when it departs from its real goals. The philosophical is ultimately not of use if it can't turn into a tool for real transformation. So no more spirituality, ok? I have no intention to write any more of that here than what was needed.

I do have to thank the TRP handbook which originally mentioned Tolle's book for advanced readers which I read as part of the list and the practices helped me get out of depression and anger and dissolved a lot of deep rooted issues. I meditate every day in addition to exercise now.

Everything you wrote here can work out without needing to surround it with a mystic halo. Don't drag the Buddha in here for things he isn't meant for. I could have probably done this better with the example of an ultrarunner as to how the real way to the finish is only through this step and overcome inner resistance.

So if you want to talk the spiritual, it's useful for fixing deep rooted shit. If it's sex, look around, most animals and insects get far more sex on just sheer dick instinct. So is complexity really intelligent?

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

The funny thing is, you did exactly what I did. You left out the terms and sources of the ideas, though.

You wrote mystical pieces about impermanence, meditation, connecting to the present and letting go of identity.

You just left out any mention of the terms Mindfulness and Buddhism.

I'm not ripping on your posts, you know I loved the content. But it's mindful, eastern philosophy through and through. You just left out the terms the more hardcore redpillers don't like.

If you added 'Mindfulness' in a few places where appropriate, it would have been torn apart.

The funny thing is, I do this stuff seriously, with serious teachers and long processes. A craft. I'm getting told by EC's that I do 'internet fad therapy', when I've never touched that stuff.

In no way is this a personal thing on you, but you admit you read Eckhart Tolle, a couple other books and now meditate. If that isn't just buying into the Western mindful hyped fad, I don't know what is. How many people read Tolle, who is just a sell-out rehashing other people's ideas for cash, and suddenly they are 'enlightened'?

Your posts were also long mystical, dancing intellectualism about simple ideas.

Everything is impermanent, get used to it. The world is happening now, so stop overthinking a future which hasn't happened. You didn't actually mention much action guys could take. It was more concepts and philosophy to think about. It was overly complex. It didn't read like an action based guide on how to internalize those things.

Because you didn't mention certain terms, you didn't get attacked.

The truth of the matter is, some extremely close minded and biased guys have a pre-conceived image or idea they have formed about certain terms. They see it and they're full of resentment.

My post is about growth. It has more upvotes than your last 'spiritual' post, which is really just Mindfulness and eastern philosophy without referencing them.

Again, that is in NO WAY a criticism of you. As you know, I loved the posts. I understand that stuff.

It is more a pointing out that the truth is that some guys just don't like certain terms, because they have biases and resentment.

These are the guys that can post broader philosophical/ideological/political stuff. As soon as someone does, with terms they don't like, it becomes 'hur duh...just write 'put dick in hole. This how put dick in hole'.

You say it's about growth, another EC says 'why cater your writing to incels and low tier guys but when you don't, it's 'dumb it down'.

I'm glad I posted it. I wasn't giving that much of a fuck about it. It was just inspired by a brief article I happened to read and it made me realise some simple stuff I wasn't accepting. Stuff in regards to sexual strategy.

But I'm glad I did, because it's shown a lot of the closed-minded, resentful pictures some guys have built up of dudes who do or are into certain things. 'Oh you said Mindfulness, hur duh. You can't be no Alpha man'. Like, these dudes NEED some meditation. They buy into types and close-mindedness like femininsts do.

It also reveals the tendency here that if you 'don't speak or do what we speak or do, you're wrong'.

That's fucked. RedPill can be an environment, system and cult-like place that wants to mould guys into one way, just the 'systems' they're supposed to be fighting.

Who said that someone into spirituality, mindfulness, eastern philosophy can't ALSO be into game, learning how to fuck, and understand that stuff too. I mean, look at yourself.

'Spirituality is basically a powerful awakening to truth'. Is exactly what you wrote. Now all of a sudden it's 'stop with the spiritual talk', which you yourself have done in piles?

WTF man? Where do you sit? How's your 'frame'? Don't tell a man to stop doing the very same thing you do. It kills your integrity and authenticity.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

I don't have an issue with your perspective. Coming from where you do, you will see things your way of course. I have also been there when I needed it so it reflects in my writing too.

The thing is this, scarce is valuable. That which is spoken exactly when and where it is needed has value. Once you overdo it even a little, it's lost. I didn't like to see you get shat on for one.

I wrote the last few posts because I saw a major gap that wasn't addressed as well as I wished it had. I have specifically written it to fill those gaps - namely deep unresolved scars and the unfulfillment that comes even after having it all. Those are big issues.

I reread your post again and gave myself some time to let it sink in. Specifically the first part of your post I had no issues with. It would have ended perfectly if you had used acceptance as a way for overcoming resistance to inner transformation. Instead you ended up giving an example of using this to just say Hi to a girl. I think that cheapened the value of your post. This is like using a LaFerrari to drive at 5 mph to learn how to hold the wheel and go buy some milk at the store next door. A car that badass is meant for Hamilton to kick ass with.

Had you given an example of how this solved a major problem and resulted in a big transformation in your life, it would have maintained its value. When I wrote of it, I used it for big issues where people have it all and still don't know why they're unfulfilled Or get depressed and kill themselves. That's a big value problem. The points about nihilism and anger and incels were very valuable in your post. Using it for just saying Hi to a girl was a low value example. That's why some people shat on it.

For those who are really shy and have anxiety, this might be a great achievement. But in the long run, in absolute terms, it is just a beginning.

Spirituality is valuable stuff. Don't cheapen it. If you show how it can be great, solve things that people did not think about, or did not have answers too, then it makes a big impact. Say that it saved someone from suicidal thoughts and turned their life around into something fantastic and it gains value. Say that you needed the Buddha to help you say Hi to a girl, and it loses value.

You also know it. It was just that example that undid what is otherwise a great post. Ok we both got worked up a bit, but objectively, it was not a bad post, just selling itself for a very low price.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K18[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

See, that's good. I can work with that and totally see your points.

I can see what you mean by cheapening it.

I guess for myself, I unconsciously steer away from showing how I use the stuff I know for bigger issues.

The reason is, I work with people with trauma, huge emotional pain, all the stuff you write about. That's why I liked your writing. That's the stuff I work with every day, for my mission too.

Why I naturally steer away from showing guys how it can help those much deeper issues, is because I know how long, arduous and lengthy process it actually is in real life.

It's almost impossible to write a post, or even talk with someone a few times and expect it will actually help. It's normally a long, drawn out process.

You ARE giving the right info, and I can tell you're dedicated to the process and it's worked for you. For that I was like 'yeah, this dude has taken the time to actually take the process'. You also maintain it. That's huge in Praksha's (spell?) stages of change model. Maintenance.

At the same time, I was like 'this won't actually help many'. Not on you, the info was fantastic.

More that - the end picture, or an overview is not the process.

Sort of like addiction treatment. I see many people talk about all the things to do, the picture, what it entails. I'm like 'you haven't worked one on one with people through the process, have you'?

Don't take that as anything against you. I have gone through a long period of improvement, recovery, trauma healing, all that jazz. I used to give people the overall picture.

When I started working directly with people, I was like 'whao, this is very different'. Writing or talking about how these things solve the issues you speak of, doesn't change anyone. A long process does.

And I guess that's why I steer away from linking my writing up with deeper issues on Reddit. I know it's a good read, but it takes so much longer to do.

So I can see and agree that yes, I definitely cheapened the original content with the end example. I can see that it can be interpreted as a weird connection. I see that. I appreciate you explaining.

There is still the side issue I believe in, though. That some guys do have a pre-conceived bias towards terms like Mindfulness and spirituality. It sets them off into this weird, concerning narrative of 'hur dur, you do Mindfull, you are corporate controlled'.

That's a seperate issue, and the main one that got my goat up. I was like 'wtf'. I know when guys are running on conspiracy theory, fear driven gobbeldy gook when what they criticize has nothing to do with the actual person or situation.

Once guys start saying 'your corporation put you onto this, and you got it off the internet and your grandfather just knew what to do and your mentally ill'.

I'm suddenly like 'wtf are you talking about?'. It's fucking creepy, lmao. There is a seperate issue there though, that I've seen a few times. I actually ask myself 'how well are those guys'? Like, how deep in their own narratives are they? How distorted and deluded is some of their thinking.

When guys start literally attributing things that were never there, or part of the picture that's when I get riled and push back.

I got no problem with responses like yours and the explanations.

But when dudes start literally arguing against things, and telling me I'm 'obviously this or that'...when...that...just...isn't real. Yeah, that's a concern. It's what feminists do. Create stories to back their resentments.

Oh well, thanks for the constructive reply.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Guess we both got worked up for a second. Give in some calm and then you see what worked and what didn't. It was just that one example. Otherwise it was actually well written.

As for people shitting on you, a lot of ECs and vanguards left because these young noobs go for knee jerk and shit on stuff they don't know shit about. if I opened my mouth and spoke TRP and sexual attraction truths in a crowd they'd all gang up and gang shame me. But if I said this to a guy who failed bad enough to be ready for this, then it has value. Context matters.

For e.g. My dad finally feels he needs to start lifting again and joined up at the gym yesterday. I've been trying to get him to start for a long while now, a year even. He doesn't understand why he's going through so many beta husband problems. He kept resisting, rationalizing and dissing me away, but now he thinks I have a point. If he'd done that 2 years ago, an epic amount of shit could have been avoided... ok, at least he started. God he's stubborn, it took diabetes to get him going...

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Yes mate. That has been one of my biggest lessons, and possibly the 'art' I've discovered in working with others.

You have to respect their journey. I'm not saying any of this as advice to you, more musing on my own experiences.

You have to have so much of your own shit together. Put your own life and mission first. That's the constant. As you spoke of, you're the only constant in your life. Everything comes and goes and impermanent. Including others people's journey's.

That's the gold, though. That's the next level I get out of working with people directly. I have a lot of knowledge, a lot of experience, a lot of solutions. However, being able to read others, where they are at, their willingness and all is the art. Seeing where they are at on the path, and knowing what they need at the time. Also learning what they bring to the table. What their block are, their core beliefs. Sometimes you can have the solutions, but being able to read someone and pick up where their block is, what the point you can connect with them is, it opens the doors.

I loved your posts. I was like 'man, if some guy reads that, and gets inspired, but realizes he has to do more than just read those posts to get to where SK is talking about, awesome.

I have one particular guy at my work. 12 year heroin addict. Lost his dad last year, mum's alone now, he came into our program with his partner who just fell pregnant. The guy realised a few months ago the relationship was toxic. Of course, he had the guilt, shame, society's ideas that if he put himself first he was in the wrong. I had a lot of RedPill style talks with him.

He took the leap and broke up with her. But then the guilt and shame kicked in. He wondered what it would look like for his kids. He had built his identity and moral compass around 'doing the right thing'. He felt responsible, where really he just realised the girl was toxic.

He went back to all his old behaviours. Tough guy shit, attitude, isolating, all that shit. It was cool to be able to stop the 'do this, fuck bitches, be a man'...but connect over 'you feel shame. you feel like you're low value and a failure, so you try to get reactions out of people, because it makes you feel like you have status. If people react to your shit, you must be higher status than them. Your behaviour is to make you feel like you belong in the world. Truth is, you don't feel like you do. So what are we going to do so you feel like you do'?

Now the poor guy is fighting for custody for his baby, but the agency is just siding with her. No paperwork, hasn't asked for our reports, nothing.

But there was a point where he was stuck. That's when I had to let go of the reigns and say 'when you're ready, you'll come seeking again'. Now he's back, motivated, fighting to feel better. And that's the shit.

I guess my point is, we can have the answers, we can know the solutions. But knowing how to work with the ups and downs and ins and out of what someone goes through is huge.

I have no idea of the outcomes, but I help mould people's lives. Maybe why I get offended with the EC's who spit shit, call you beta and tell you what your life must look like. I'm like 'um...dude, who the fuck are you talking to'? lmao. I don't care, I'll call their shit.

Your dad obviously had a ton of beliefs that kept him stuck. There was a pay-off in it for him. He was in 'pre-contemplation'...now in action. That's great. Guys go back and forth in the stages of change.

Anyway, I loved your posts. A part of me thought 'that's dope, this guy's doing it'. There is a lot of wisdom in that path. Wisdom combined with action.

Which tells me, I need to go do some mindfulness, regroup and truck on, hahaha.



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