Female nature is necessary for male excellence.

bigcitytruth · 2015-10-29T17:27:40+00:00

Dave Chapelle: "If a man could fuck a woman in a cardboard box, he wouldn't buy a house!"

diomedes777 · 2015-10-29T14:23:17+00:00

I simply just cannot fathom that we live in a world where 99% of the population has absolutely no clue regarding objective reality. People literally don't understand their lives or human life in general. It's absolutely mind blowing. We are lied to from birth, by people who don't even know they're lying. You are literally living a lie until you start to get those unavoidable creeping-in-RP-truths that worry you, which eventually lead you here and you realize that inexplicable uneasiness and anxiety you've been feeling about male-female relationships, relationships, human nature and just life in general is founded. After spending my entire life with this uneasiness that has seem to come out of nowhere, and therefore hating myself for it, i now truly understand how utterly fucked up this world is - it's not me, it's legitimately the world we live in, and am beyond thankful at least a small portion of the population shares this understanding.

2015-10-29T19:28:12+00:00

The other day I was thinking about shit tests and it dawned on me that the reason why women shit test is because men will usually say anything to try to get laid. Don't deny it. We love pussy and if it were just as easy as laying down a line of bullshit to get a piece of ass that's all we would ever do.

We start bullshitting women in middle school about how cool we are to try to get them to like us, so they develop the ability to shit test to cut through said bullshit. By the time they reach adulthood, they usually have a pretty refined ability to shit test the truth out of men - especially the ones who have had a lot of game dished their way. They value themselves (usually) and as has been well discussed here, and they want to make sure the dudes on their scorecard measure up to a specific standard that reflects well on them (mostly - not including the faux pas they hamster as "not counting").

Don't get me wrong, sometimes your game is that good where you can easily bluff your way through a chick's shit test sensors and land between her nethers. That's called being a scoundrel. Any good scoundrel usually knows that in order to keep his game tight he needs to have solid Sex God dick game. That's important because once you've been discovered as a scoundrel, which happens more than most scoundrels like to admit, you can give a smug smirk because you know you made her cum hard.

The obvious pro of that is the sweet delicious egotistical satisfaction you get from it, both in the moment and in the memory. The pro you want tactically is how those tingles breed further desire and allow you to get away with shit - as scoundrels are want to do. The harder you make them cum, the more likely you are to be forgiven.

The con is sometimes it can backfire on you where the chick goes fatal. When the worm turns, woo-boy the fucking worm turns and bitches get crazy. Shakespeare said Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned and he was right as fuck about that shit.

When you have the scoundrel's sexual strategy, inevitably there is going to be a situation where the you do some scoundrelly shit and not be forgiven. When that happens, those tingles can transform into seriously dark anti-tingles. Usually there is an absolute negative correlation that manifests where as high as those tingles brought her, will be as low as those anti-tingles end up delivering her. If she has emotional daddy or other kinds of issues (aka "conduct or personality disorders" we generally refer to as sociopathy) it serves as an anti-tingle multiplier. If you're in deep then it can be messy, but I digress. I'm guessing that's when they realize that you are a scoundrel and they thought you were a means to satiate their hypergamous needs. Oops maybe your game was too good (except when it came crashing down)?

Being a scoundrel often has it's own social proof, which to me is a humorous phenomenon. I mean there must be a reason why scoundrel is a scoundrel and keeps getting pussy, right?. Women get curious and want to find out and that works to your obvious advantage.

There are many different methods and tricks dudes use to overcome the obstacles of hypergamy - and of course the first rule always applies - BE ATTRACTIVE, but as you get older hypergamy eventually makes the need for "excellence" more and more a part of the equation in male sexual strategy. Its unavoidable. I've said in other posts that for women ROMANCE and FINANCE are generally tethered.

Its not just a coincidence that women's desires of men are, when practiced and fulfilled, a road map to our own pride, success and fulfillment in life.

The simple fact remains - enjoyable enthusiastic sex is a quality of life issue for men, and women know this both cognitively and innately. They are going to leverage that resource for security and lifestyle. Personal achievement should be its own reward, but the heightened likelihood of sexual abundance is a nice perk. You need to frame it that way mentally to keep a rational framework. Female companionship should always be value added to your life and never be the focus.

Take it from a former(?) scoundrel, it should always be a perk reward and never the primary rationale. Think about it this way - its a supply-demand curve and if your demand is sky high, the price point will most assuredly be as well.

FrameWalker · 2015-10-29T14:50:50+00:00

I've been reading book of pook, the section on testosterone expressed the same idea more deeply. When you're failing, getting dumped, getting turned down you have two choices.
. 1. Lower your standards 2. Become more masculine

. It's failure that will make you a man. Success will let you stay a bitch if you are one.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-10-29T15:27:55+00:00

The best analogy is the frog in boiling water.

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Place a frog into boiling water and he jumps right out.
Place a frog in cold water then raise to boiling and the frog dies.

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Men have known women in the past. You look at most of human civilization and men were put into dominant roles and those roles were reinforced through law. Marriage 1.0 was written so that male and female roles were correctly optimized with men in the masculine role.

But over the years we have slowly drifted into the Blue Pill zone and we go deeper and deeper all the time.

Blue Pill is a progressive disease.

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always-be-closing · 2015-10-29T18:12:59+00:00

** Yet birth control has totally unhinged hypergamy from its purpose**

Without a reproductive check or eventuality on female style resource and genes seeking when it interacts with fundamental male promiscuity (a check which was refined by the civilizing force of marriage), there is almost no labor incentive at all.

The economic unproductivity of the xbox/jerkoff generation is the result; the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

runningismycrack · 2015-10-29T14:32:56+00:00

The anger phase is natural not because you think it's not fair, but the fact that you realize you're expected to jump through hoops your entire life while all women have to do is not be fat, and they demand to be treated equally. Genders aren't equal biologically, physically, mentally, and emotionally. I respect people that deserve respect, I don't respect anyone (men or women) by default. Am I more inclined to respect a man? Yes, because he doesn't live his life in a bubble and has to earn what he has, he can't spread his legs when money is tight.

synthrockftw · 2015-10-29T14:08:53+00:00

Men used to know this like second nature. My anger phase comes not only from realizing a women's true nature but from the fact that I have to constantly regain an RP frame of mind. My hope is that after a few years I will retain this mindset. Thanks for your post

JackGoldsteinWrites · 2015-10-29T15:08:08+00:00

The bee and the flower need each other. To pretend otherwise is lunacy.

Men need women as prizes. Women need men for completeness.

IllimitableMan · 2015-10-29T20:18:34+00:00

summary: We owe it to ourselves to be all we can be and if we aren't living up to our own potential we have no place in the sexual market place.

My article on "how to be happy" talks a lot about what it takes to get your mind right mentally.

Women want you to be your best self not because they give fucks about you, but because they benefit most from association with strong males. Beta/weak males are always a woman's second choice because they don't produce excitement (fear) and lust, merely security. If a woman has the opportunity to branch swing from a beta to an alpha, she will without question. No matter what phase of TRP a man is in he's wise to never forget this.

Too many weak males (what we have now, thank single mother culture) means there are a smaller number of strong/dominant men. This makes it more difficult for women to get commitment from an alpha because there are less to go around. Women want higher quality/more dominant men as much as men want higher quality/more beautiful and submissive women.

OP is right in what he's saying about "the perfect storm", the selfishness of the female strategy demands male excellence, which in turn drives male selfishness; a perfect if not somewhat ironic storm indeed.

The funniest thing though is that although women want more dominant men in their relationships, they also want more power/respect in the economy/everyday life, so they cut their nose off to spite their face by going out of their way to emasculate the guys around them. These are the same chicks who will whine endlessly there's no alpha male commitment to go around circa 25+ in their love lives. "Where have all the good men gone?" = "Where are all the high value and dominant men who are willing to commit to me at?"

You can't successfully emasculate men because you want to earn your own money and be respected like a man whilst also being treated like a girl by a dominant man in a relationship. This shit is so funny I've heard it a lot, women want to be powerful at work and then come home and be some caveman alpha's war prize. Sorry, but the economy and people's intimate relationships are too closely interlinked.

A bitch who is bossy all day is going to be a cunt when she gets in through the door. A guy in a job with no autonomy being talked down to by female colleagues/superiors who can't reply in kind due to political correctness is going to be a bitch at home due to the sheer amount of henpecking the dude has to deal with to make bread.

Modern women have this "fuck it all I'll have my cake and eat it" kinda narcissism, but in the big picture mathematics does not allow for a feminised culture to produce the number of dominant men women need to be happy in relationships.

If bitches are intent on raising little cucks and "being the leaders in everyday life" there's going to be little left in the realm of masculinity when it comes to love and relationships.

Only a small minority of women will get to be cunts in the office then come home and cuddle up to the ripped and rich Mr. Big who reminds her she's his little bitch the moment her foot goes over the threshold. Where does this leave all the other women who didn't get one of the few men left who still have their balls intact? It leaves them miserable in relationships with weak men. The majority of women have this "have my cake and eat it" narcissism, but on numbers alone it's not workable, very few will have the best of both worlds (power at work and a powerful man at home) because as I said above, peoples roles in the economy affect personal relationships too much.

When men can't put women in their place at work but women can bully and emasculate them, they're going to lose the ability to "be the man" at home. Most dominant dudes I know are in leadership positions or run their own businesses so they don't have to be henpecked daily with their hands tied. Naturally this is great for their confidence and they do better with women romantically. Conclusion: feminisation of culture/the workplace is bad for men and women, but women are too blind to see they are destroying the very prize they covet.

dicklord_airplane · 2015-10-29T17:51:57+00:00

i know it's true but i hate it at times. i like to watch nature documentaries like Life because they really help to put all of this in perspective. when you look at mating rituals of all other mammals, you see the same drama play out. all the males compete for the chance to mate, and the sad fact is that only a minority of males in most mammalian species will pass on their genes. most male mammals will never get laid while almost every female will. the system is very, very good at making sure that only the best genes are passed on from each generation of males. males must work, compete, and prove our worth. males are expendable and are only as valuable as what they do, and no amount of social engineering will ever change this fact. accept it and act accordingly.

1v1mebruh · 2015-10-29T19:21:38+00:00

Some people tripping out about the god comment, I just wanted to say that you should read pieces of writing like this one as philosophy and you'll stop caring. I don't believe in god at all, but approaching pieces like this from a philosophical standpoint gives me the ability to find my own meaning that is relevant and useful to my own life and then move on (as opposed to getting hung up on the word god and my own religious views). Words are but words, we are the ones who ultimately give them meaning.

Capt-n · 2015-10-29T17:42:23+00:00

I don't buy it. I think males ability to delay satisfaction for long periods of time is what makes us excellent. Think about Drake and Cook, and their crews that were willing to be Isolated with dudes for years. Nantucket Whalers were gone for years at a time, and Ross and Amundsen spent their lives away from comfort.

"Think of the Glory" is a valid argument for a males that doesn't even need women for it to work. Men are about formal hierarchies and women are about social hierarchies. Men are creative.

witdusername · 2015-10-29T18:22:08+00:00

Excellence in what? There are men who are good at having sex with women who aren't good at anything else. On the other hand, there are men who are good at certain things but have zero success with women, i.e. Isaac Newton. Remember only a limited percentage of men throughout history ever reproduced. The men who didn't reproduce and didn't have women managed to survive, although they didn't leave offspring behind. Some of them were even fairly successful in things other than women.

marty2k · 2015-10-29T23:54:01+00:00

Also, women aren't hypergamous because they hate men or are sociopaths (which they may or may not be). Hypergamy, AF BB, cheating were all developed for the good of the species. Yeah, it sucks if you're a beta guy and your woman tricks you into raising an alpha's kid. Evolution doesn't care. Getting children with the absolute best genes who's raised by a father who is too unattractive to run off with another woman and leave a mother and child to their fate is genetically the best possible outcome.

As someone who is more moved by science and cold logic, realizing this helped me get over my anger.

2015-10-30T04:42:53+00:00

Women select winners.

The specifics of why people get upset about this are irrelevant when held against the main fact - you're upset because you're not a winner. The next step of reasoning is to ask "Why am I not a winner?". That answer is drowned under too much denial for most people.

eagleclaw457 · 2015-10-29T17:26:12+00:00

whoa, bringing God into a red pill discussion...bold move Cotton.

DarkuSchneider · 2015-10-29T21:54:32+00:00

For me most of the anger was turned in on myself for being so blind once I started to see the truth. I was angry things seemed as such a simple but clever trap once I was out of it. Much of that anger was with society as a collective whom I felt was complicit in a virtual conspiracy against me at first. I was not angry with women anymore like I was when I was playing to lose and getting the friend zone or used. Once I learned to understand human nature more I stopped blaming women and realized they are doing what they were wired to do but are not taught how to manage it like men did. I took a pragmatic view: Female nature is natures form of quality control for the species. Society has evolved much faster than our biology has kept up with and these functions are out of balance with the state of civilization now. In the past men recognized these issues and used discipline and reason to overcome biological urges. The church used shame and stigmatization to also facilitate this. People now seemed more inclined to feed their urges endlessly. I kind of think of hypergamy as natures version of buyers remorse.

Neurosciences have found men and women are wired in a contradictory but complimentary way to each other. Men are wired to their memories via their left brains that are logical and analytical. Women are wired to their memories via their right brains emotional and comparison centers which is how they have the famous women's intuition and enables them to be a social chameleon to survive and evaluate potential mates.

In the past men had to be very tough and strong to get food and survive in constant danger. The male had to be wired for strength, cunning, and aggressiveness to overcome the reflexive survival instinct and excel in dangerous environments without fear distracting them. The ones that did this and survived got mates. That breeding can make men too hard so women were given the mechanisms to soften aggressive men for their protection and once upon a time advised them on sensitive matters men do not always see socially. The queen was the kings spy and assassin in the labyrinth of social courtier circles while he fought wars or led men administratively with strength and discipline. Now women have made men too soft thinking those traits are obsolete in the modern world but they are wrong and we need them to function and maintain civilization. Some men are so out of balance with their nature it's killing them or they go nuts and kill themselves and take other people with them too. aka Elliot Rodgers.

Women have an insanely complex biological system to facilitate procreation which is largely driven by hormones and they are in constant flux to keep the baby bakery operational. As a consequence biologically they have higher stress than men so they seem chaotic as these hormones ebb and flow constantly in cycles altering their brains as a side effect. They are softer and easily bond to insure they nurture and protect their children. Men used to provide the stability and discipline to facilitate them having a safe environment for children plus he was the rock his mate relies on to stabilize her chaotic nature and hardens her in the process and helped raise disciplined children. Women are now too hard and out of balance with their nature and got duped into destroying what they crave the most, strong men to provide and lead prosperous families. The shit tests and them trying to change you all the time are to make sure you are durable and can still handle adversity so she feels safe and confident in her choice. Children without discipline become spoiled and lazy but it has to come from a logical place not an emotional one or they might end up emotionally damaged goods.

At least to me that is what I have been seeing happen as I study human nature(shrug).

adam-l · 2015-10-29T21:54:37+00:00

There are three factors to consider when you set off to win the rat race:

1. Your starting position.

If you are upper-middle class, you have a head-start, and you might have a decent chance to make it. If you are working class, your chances are very slim.

2. Your personal ability.

/u/illimitableman has many things to tell on how your best chance to win is having or developing psychopathic traits. So it's a big discussion if being successfull correlates with positive or negative personality traits.

What there's no doubt about, is that you do have to put in a lot of effort.

3. The prize.*

What do you get as a prize? How much do you value it?

It should be self-evident that female intimacy, if given as a prize for performing, is not real intimacy, as e.g. in the case of a true (male) friend. On the other hand, sex is a quite tangible prize. The (positive) problem arises when you consider prostitution as an alternative. In most European countries, for example, where prostitution is legal, supervised and safe, it's a hands-down winner vs. trying to win the affections of a female.

I've a feeling that people who recommend "success" presuppose a middle-class background. All in all, as /u/rKremlin noted, "The average man would do better to go MGTOW" (plus prostitution, I say). He might, ironically, discover that this way he actually increases his chances to get the occasional lay with a woman.

PrinceLeon · 2015-10-30T04:18:36+00:00

they will leave us (and rightfully so) if we should fail to live up to our own potential.

Here's where I somewhat disagree with you.
The prospect of women's behavior being the catalyst for our self-improvement journey actually makes perfect sense.
By being hypergamous in nature, women subconsciously project the idea that they will find the better mate if the opportunity arises.
This in turn serves as motivation for men to be at the top of their game so that they will be the best viable option and she will therefore not attempt to branch swing or do anything that could jeapordize your commitment to her.
This balance would be perfect and would ensure that only the best men would be deserving of the best women, however, there is a serious disconnect between what women deserve and what women think they deserve.
Society and the media are perpetually bombarding women with the lie that they deserve the best men simply because they are women.
Women today just don't understand what men have to go through to be in the top 20% which is essentially fucking the great majority of women.
For a woman it's simple really; don't be that ugly and have a somewhat ok personality (and even this is not required for sex) and you'll have men wanting to sleep with you without fail.
For men, the bare minimum is often significantly more difficult to obtain and requires much more effort on our parts.

And even after we work our ourselves to death at the gym, work hard at our jobs to make more money and make ourselves more marketable, spend time and money and energy on fulfilling their desires, we still get the short end of the stick.

Women still feel entitled to more despite not doing anything herself aside from showing up.
Imagine that.
If guys could just show up and have sex with a girl, make her commit and provide a comfortable life for you, treat you as best as she can and give you her whole self all because you have a dick.
Women don't know how much more easier they have it, and if that's not enough they have the audacity to ask for more when they have done absolutely fucking nothing to deserve it.
This is why I decided long ago that I'm not playing their game and that I'll live life on my own terms.
As fucked up as it may sound, interactions between people are always transactional.
But don't be disheartened by this fact, women have been aware of this (even if subconsciously) since a young age.

garlicextract · 2015-10-29T20:28:22+00:00

FEMALE NATURE IS NECESSARY FOR MALE EXCELLENCE.

It isn't, us men are competitive enough as it is.

"But we only compete in order to impress women!"

Oh, you poor BP fool. Back for the majority of civilized history, when hypergamy was (relatively) under control by society, did men still not strive and aspire for excellence?

Yes, they did. Even the omegas, celibates and gays, such as Newton, Tesla, Turing etc, the ones who shaped the modern world.

Riddick_ · 2015-10-29T18:44:22+00:00

God has created for us a perfect storm that if we have the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the brain to understand a guide in female form that will test us to our very limits. - While gods and religions do have special uses, you should try and stop eating stupid for lunch.

BluepillProfessor · 2015-10-29T16:55:48+00:00

Or....All hail the mighty vagina, maker of all that is good. Keeper of masculinity. Source of all light and goodness. Shower us with fluids oh mighty ones and we will perform for you to the best of our ability.

2015-10-29T17:52:57+00:00

Related mindset quote. "This is happening FOR ME, not TO ME".

VodkaTankerSpill · 2015-10-29T20:21:05+00:00

Fucking please. Ever heard of Nikola Tesla or Isaac Newton? Both were virgins and both contributed significantly to science and tech.

symko · 2015-10-29T21:09:29+00:00

I think the biggest piece of the puzzle that most men are missing is that we don't have to care. We get to be aloof and focused on our own desires while women drop hints to us.

"I don't get all the women I want, I get all the women that want me." David Lee Roth

Once you understand TRP. You are free to be unapologetic about every detail in your life. You're in your own RPG leveling and getting better then all of a sudden you amass a following of women who want you. Do with them what you will. It doesn't sway you from your goal to be your very fucking best and those that hinder your dreams. Leave em in the dust.

throwaway-aa2 · 2015-10-29T23:28:59+00:00

I've been saying this for a while in this sub and people keep refuting it. Women's nature is ruthless but regardless of what you say, their nature helps them secure the best of the best, and helps us be the best of the best. The only real issue is that women don't understand it / lie about it, and that women work for themselves rather than the collective so they're always trying to sell themselves to the highest SMV male they can get (and relatively keep), even if they're not high SMV theirselves. But basically once you understand their nature... then there's nothing to be mad about. Go through your anger phase but just realize that there is a reason that AWALT. It's not some massive conspiracy. It's just the nature of women working within the framework of current society.

majorchamp · 2015-10-29T17:25:30+00:00

disagree on the God part (unless you were being metaphorical), but that is different strokes for different folks.

2015-10-29T19:39:17+00:00

"God has created for us a perfect storm that if we have the eyes to see, the ears to hear and the brain to understand a guide in female form that will test us to our very limits. Now while we may at times hate them, in the end they enjoy our fulfilment and they will leave us (and rightfully so) if we should fail to live up to our own potential."

What kind of righteous, ethical, omnipotent being would consider it kosher to not only create women with the innate desire to destroy themselves and every man they know ,and then proceed to let men -and the empires they build- fight and die for the temporary and illusory company of women?

There's a big difference between a test, and an elimination round. The nature of women under Hypergamy vis a vis males sounds like some horrible science experiment run amok.

Its like 'God' made a bet with the devil to see if a species could overcome its own Biology to build and grow using technology , or if it'll use those tools to only enhance fullfillment of its own instincts. When I look around at my job, at churches ,at the mall, hell at the grocery store checkout line I see men toiling in gender based slavery while the women -in their own way-preen and laugh .

Tell me where the fucking righteousness is in that? Where's the omnipotent justice in veterans coming home from war to an empty home, an empty bank account, and a court order for child & alimony support ?

I'd love to seriously hear a logical explanation for why a righteous , all knowing deity would do such a blatantly horrible thing.

look_good · 2015-10-29T18:09:10+00:00

Shit tests make me push myself but shit tests aren't given on a cognizant level.

Don't bitch about how hard life is but you don't have to act like you're grateful for the hardship.

Life sucks, make the best of it.

SonOfTerra92 · 2015-10-30T04:20:48+00:00

True this one. I agree. The forge and temperament of steel through action.

SDSAM21 · 2015-10-31T01:37:13+00:00

This is exactly my thoughts through an optimist lens. My pessimistic lens is "fuck, I have to man up to get/keep my butch."

Glassland · 2015-10-31T18:25:08+00:00

The male is the strong part of the species in humans. We are meant to be protectors, disciplined and violent (when necessary). Women are a treat given to us when we succeed in being masculine (and thus valuable to the tribe/species).

BowlOfCandy · 2015-10-29T18:22:35+00:00

Is a druggy, woman beater excellent? Nope, doesn't matter. Is a rich uber nerd programmer excellent? Maybe but it doesn't matter. Bottom line is most men are hosed no matter how much they excel. If you aren't the 20% you don't matter. Stop sugar coating it. That system is broken and unmaintainable. You are right to be angry, you are right to drop out. It's horse shit.

synthrockftw · 2015-10-29T18:58:04+00:00

I've just witnessed this. My gf told me she's not 'in' love with me but instead, loves being with me. Man, the truth kinda hurts but it is reality.

I've pushed my limits being with her. She's hot and is a model, so my game, self improvement, and looks have to be tight a lot. I broke frame once, but with a 9+ , man, I'm only human.

NameOfAction · 2015-10-30T13:21:48+00:00

Read "the way of the superior man" kinda new agey but all about this. Good quick read. Sorry no link on my phone at work

NameOfAction · 2015-10-30T13:21:48+00:00

Read "the way of the superior man" kinda new agey but all about this. Good quick read. Sorry no link on my phone at work

rademenes · 2015-10-30T06:45:37+00:00

Lay off the weed, young man -- you are spouting inconsequential bullshit. Who upvotes this? What is happening to this community?

Title	Female nature is necessary for male excellence.
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Date	October 29, 2015 1:31 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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