Men have it easy .../s

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No...single childless women out earn men by 3-5%. The wage gap appears after 30 when most women start planning family.

It's not because women can't compete. It's because women give priority to family and work-life balance whereas men give priority to professional success. In fact, men's income actually increases by 10% after child birth.

When a child is born, mother takes the nurturer role and father starts working harder, preparing his family for the extra financial demands that will follow.

Call it traditional gender roles or whatever you want. But that is reality of human reproduction. Man provides, woman nurtures. If you try to artificially break this cycle,like how the feminists groups are trying to do. What you get is..
Not breakdown of traditional gender roles.
You get falling birth rates.

Because men avoid marrying such women. And women keep post poning motherhood till they get a suitable partner, until it's too late. You think feminism can solve your problems? Don't forget that nearly 50% problems plaguing society today are actually created by feminism.

MGTOW is not anti feminism. It's a natural consequence of feminism. It's not the disease. It's a symptom of the disease. The disease that nobody wants to treat, or even accept that it exists.

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Do I care about prostitutes ? Let them get a real job and stop complaining !

So you are openly oppressing women and still can't see that its oppressive. Mmkay man.

women did this to themselves by false accusations pouring out of their mouths !

Don't generalize . It effects all women , there is a bias against women ,still, even if it's super rare.

Damn, where the hell do you live ?

It happens in any country , you probably live on the moon if you don't notice.

 > Focking EUROPE (continent) you will see that western women are not oppressed !   False. In some balkan ,east slavic countries they are. Turkey for example too.     If we look at western europe then NOT EVERYBODY LIVES IN WEST EUROPE BRO

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I was paid $12k less a year than my male coworker for the exact same job. And I’m a woman.

We both had the same qualifications. He would often disappear and not show up to work for days at a time. We had to pick up his slack. He was never fired. Also HR called me the “tits and ass” of the company.

Not only do women generally get paid less, but it’s so expensive to be a woman. Get waxed, tweezed, buy products to hide and cover xyz.

I think my point is that each gender has their own pluses and minuses. Instead of making it a competition on who has it worse or better, men and women should work on coming together and understanding each other and rooting for each other.

I promise to try my best to make this world a better place for women and men. I try my best to be sure I absorb the stuff my male friends say and step up and be there for them when they open up about what’s difficult about being a man.

I sincerely love human being so much. And I want there to be more unity and compassion between the sexes and I sincerely mean that.

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In that regard is has to be widespread, from top to bottom for the state to sue on your behalf, not a single case of gender discrimination.

I'd like an example of how I'm being childish. I'm just trying to use empirical data to show you that the gap exists, so if that's a tantrum, then like cool, I guess.

The pay gap hasn't been debunked by economists. I'd recommend going onto google scholar (will weed out any non peer reviewed studies for you) and it'll show all the studies that continually show the pay gap.

I'm neither delusional or lying. After realizing where the .77/1.00 comes from, I pulled up google scholar to have all the facts before engaging in an internet-based argument.

And yes to the women underpaying women. The pay gap is a result of an implicit sexist bias that exists across genders. I'm sure I do sexist things from time to time and also need to check myself.

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here

Lol, I'm not lying, here's just one example. You can choose to believe me or not. You can choose to look at the data or not. That's up to you, though it honestly is super disheartening that it's so common to ignore the data. Not just now, but across literally all subjects.

I implore you to look at the data. They don't hire women because the view women, implicitly, as less than.

Misandry is hatred toward men, an example of that would be purposefully voting for only women because they're women.

Toxic femininity is probably a thing. Though my own experiences with it is women feeling obligated to and saying other women should dress in dresses, modestly, with make up, and be submissive towards men. But, that's ultimately just internalization of misogyny.

I can tell you're just going to insist I'm lying as thats easier than bringing evidence to the table. I hope that you look at the data and so we could have a productive conversation of the realities of the pay gap, but I have a feeling you won't. So have a good day, good luck with your future endeavors!

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State labor boards will sue on your behalf for gender pay discrimination. That's a fact. You hate it because then it begs the question of why women aren't suing. Economists, both men and women, have proven the wage gap doesn't exist. You don't care about systemic bias against males. It doesn't matter to you. Ok, what benevolent sexism are you going to end in your life? There is no wage gap and the equal pay act has been law for over 50 years. So, are men doing a better job? I wonder how an experiment with an all women workplace would go? Oh yeah! They tried that! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html

What a miserable failure of such strong and independent women who don't need a man! :)

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One, a tiny percentage of gender discrimination suits are litigated by the EEOC, so you can try, but you'll probably have to go at it on your own. That's why most women doesn't file.

The equal pay act is not law. It's more of a suggestion and gender is not included in federal anti-discrimination law.

Please provide me one peer reviewed article where economists have conclusively stated the wage gap doesn't exist.

I work in children services. I make sure that in employment considerations, gender is not included due to deep biases that women are inherently better with children. I also spread the message that it's not okay for women to be violent towards men as a show of strength.

Your example is neither empirical nor peer reviewed. So, not proof. Also, I'm not sure if you understand what an experiment is. That wasn't an experiment, it's a participant observational case study. It also didn't control for any factors, besides gender, leaving the results to chance.

I also don't think there should be all women work places. That also would be sexism. I think it should be equal.

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Perhaps it's because they get dismissed as having no merit??? Attorney's take cases all the time on contingency. Perhaps a feminist attorney will right the wrongs pro bono? No, it's clearly law.

"Enforcement Initially, a 2007 study commissioned by the Department of Labor[29] cautioned against overzealous application of the EPA without closer examination of possible reasons for pay discrepancies. This study noted, for example, that men as a group earn higher wages in part because men dominate blue collar jobs, which are more likely to require cash payments for overtime work; in contrast, women comprise over half of the salaried white collar management workforce that is often exempted from overtime laws.[30] In summary, the study stated: "Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers."[31]"

Can't you do any research? Oh wait, because it would prove you are lying.

"According to Denise Venable at the National Center for Policy Analysis, the "wage gap" in the United States is not the result of discrimination but of differences in lifestyle choices. Venable's report found that women are less likely than men to sacrifice personal happiness for increases in income or to choose full-time work. She found that among American adults working between one and thirty-five hours a week, and part-time workers who have never been married, women earn more than men. Venable also found that among people aged 27 to 33 who have never had a child, women's earnings approach 98% of men's and "women who hold positions and have skills and experience similar to those of men face wage disparities of less than 10 percent, and many are within a couple of points".[139] Venable concluded that women and men with equal skills and opportunities in the same positions face little or no wage discrimination: "Claims of unequal pay almost always involve comparing apples and oranges"."

So, you work in childrens services, a very low paying career. Why didn't you decide to show us all what you can do in STEM?

So, it didn't happen? Hahahahaahah!!! You just keep losing! :)

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No, there are a multitude of reasons why cases are dismissed not due to "merit". It's not law, google the equal pay act and the actual document will state is isn't law. It provides clarity.

Your first quote is in regards to .77/1.00 and is valid in some ways. Though it just proves other massive sexist things like pushing women into pink collar jobs. It also proves my point with the "raw gap" aspect. All it's saying is we need more research. So thanks!

Literally provided you with peer reviewed articles. So stop.

Your second quote is pulled from a researcher funded by a think tank that is highly conservative and promotes limited government intervention. Due to this, you need to take the results with a grain of assault. She also didn't run a statistical analysis, she just counted up numbers so there's no actual conclusion there to be found. Good try though.

I'm not complaining about my income. I knew going in I'd have a lower income. Now I'd be mad if my male coworkers made more money than me, but have the same experience that I do. My brother is an engineer. He makes more money than I do, but I acknowledge that he does because his job requires different expertise than mine does. We aren't talking about a pay gap ACROSS fields. That exists for external reasons. We are talking about IN FIELD pay gap. Which exists because of gender.

Pretty much, no. It's a sexist anecdote that exists in a vacuum. It probably happened due to the specific personalities of the woman working for that TV station, not because it was all woman.

I don't keep loosing. You use "you're lying" as an argument and are in capable of vetting your own proof. You aren't doing research because you aren't looking at peer reviewed analysis. What do you do when you have medical questions? What about investing money? Did you not take stats or research methods in college? I think a trip to Kahn Academy would do you well.

I'm gonna go ahead and stop responding. You can take that as a win if you wish, but facts are on my side. Have a good life.

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Yeah, what do you want to bet that the VAST majority are "No merit"? Yeah, it's labor law. Try again. "The Equal Pay Act of 1963 is a United States labor law amending the Fair Labor Standards Act, aimed at abolishing wage disparity based on sex (see Gender pay gap). It was signed into law on June 10, 1963, by John F. Kennedy as part of his New Frontier Program." Public law Pub.L. 88–38 Statutes at Large 77 Stat. 56 Codification Acts amended Fair Labor Standards Act Titles amended 29 U.S.C. sections amended 206 Kennedy signed it into LAW. You are not a victim. It's a law. No matter how badly you want to be a victim, it's still been a LAW since 1963.

No one has pushed women into pink collar jobs except perhaps, other women. No, it's doesn't prove any "raw gap".

No, you really didn't provide anything of substance. You don't even understand what a law is.

Nope, it's solid research. Just because you hate it, doesn't mean it isn't valid. Maybe you can argue it with her.

So, why didn't you go into STEM? In field pay gap doesnt exist and it illegal. There's this law, you may have heard of it, it's called the equal pay act which Kennedy singed into LAW back in 1963. If you don't get IN FIELD pay equality, your state labor board can sue for you. Unless your case has no merit and you just made it up to pretend to be a victim.

Nope, this is how women overwhelmingly are.

Yes, You've lost every single time. It's pretty sad. You get caught lying, then claim that my pointing out that you lied is my argument. It clearly isn't. Awwww. More shaming tactics. They probably worked when you were 13.

Not one fact has been on your side. I bet you don't stop responding. :)

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Men have it easy .../s

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Title	Men have it easy .../s
Author	Saint_Ballz
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Comments	170
Date	October 14, 2020 1:57 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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