Men’s higher suicide rates not linked to their unwillingness to seek help but to obstacles in healthcare access

coloradocaniac · 2021-05-30T04:11:59+00:00

"men's unwillingness to seek help"

Uh huh.

I've had a number of female "friends" ignore my depression over the years and essentially tell me to stop talking about it. One even unoriginally said "man up."

I suspect male suicide is so high because it's so rare for anyone at all to listen to us or care.

auMatech · 2021-05-30T04:23:54+00:00

No shit lmao.

Every time men's mental health is brought up, people become irate and furiously virtue signal about how women have all these other issues which are way worse.

Then a backhanded remark is thrown in implying men are to blame for their own issues due to some bullshit notion of "toxic masculinity", and brushed aside by claiming something along the lines of "men just need to talk about their feelings more".

Meanwhile men who want to open up, talk or seek help are constantly back seated or dismissed, which compounds the issue.

Oh and let's not forget the classic:

but women attempt it more

When the issue of the male suicide epidemic is brought up. Fucking depressing the society that we live in, in this day and age

POO_IN_A_LOO · 2021-05-30T05:08:13+00:00

Oh look it got removed from r/science without explanation. Quaint.

edit: seems like the post is approved again.

Ceruleanknight1 · 2021-05-30T08:54:14+00:00

I once was a Police Officer, and I recall that guy aged 30 at the time, coming to report a non crime domestic incident. He was clearly exhausted and overworked.

He explained to me that he was working two jobs in order to afford a comfortable lifestyle for his gf and their 1 year old son, but that his gf was constantly harassing him.

She would often accuse him of trying to cheat on her, blackmail him to see his phone and his SMs. Told him he had to tell her where he goes, with who and at what time he will be home, then she would harass him again if he was 3mins late.

This often exploded in huge arguments in front of their son which is traumatic for a baby.

She would on the other hand, often go out at night to have girls nights with her friends and pay excessive amounts of baby sitters whilst he was working to get their finances in order. She would not come back at the times she say she would which often resulted in the babysitter having to stay under unplanned overtime (so a 30% increase in price.)

She would go to beauty salons and spend £250-300 at the worse times ever (during periods of unemployment) and took financial decisions that often forced him to pay more than his share to compensate for her lack of financial care and awareness.

Whilst there was no physical violence toward one or another, lets take a break and imagine the guy did only half of the above, there would be a massive reaction and punishment over his head.

The guy came with the bills he was paying and his bank statements from the whole year, he was paying litteraly everything (rent, insurances, food, gaz, utilities) and his gf bank statements showed that she was spending her money on stupid things (beauty salons, drinks in night clubs, make up etc) he came with a 3k receipt from a nightclub as she spent this amount of money to buy her friends expensive bottles. The guy was constantly doing online money transfer to her so she would not be in overdraft .

As a child was involved, a copy of this non crime DV report had to be linked to the social services and you will never believe what happened..

The social worker came in (2 ladies in their mid 40s) started asking him questions and based on his responses they told him he was a complexed little man, angry at the world because he think he does not look good (...)

Then a few week later he got asked to see a counsellor (again a lady in her mid 40s) who listened to him then wrote a report on how she picked up that the house environment was dangerous for the kid and the gf as the guy was potentially generating a climate of violence.

A few days later the whole case went to court qnd the social worker asked the judge to make the guy go through a psychiatric assessment, with a psychological assessment for the gf and the 1 year old (...) as they are likely suffering from Domestic Violence.

I did the original reporting and I was the one adding all the paper evidences (bank statement, rent, utilities mentionned above) plus screenshots of their exchanges on text and whatsapp where she was asking him to prove to her where he was at certain times to the file.

The social workers arguments were that the guy is controlling, a possible perv as there was a 9 years difference with the gf being the younger one of them two, and that a woman has needs.

Cause a guy does not have needs, right guys?

The judge from the children court was in her early 30s and luckily she was not completely woke, she discared the request for the psychiatric examination, but still had to put a close investigation on the family in place to cover her decision, with a special court social worker coming 2-3 times a month to watch whats going on, check to see if the kid has what he needs etc.

The social services almost got this guy to not be allowed to see his son anymore as they wanted to take his father rights away due to their strong beliefs that he was the problem, despite all the strong evidences that were gathered against the gf.

This was 5 years ago.. I have never had a heated argument with social services before that, but these two women were absolutely despicable.

This poor guy was victim of financial abuse, emotional abuse and harassment from his gf at the very least and he almost got done because the system is gynocentric.

You wanna know why guys prefer to self end themselves rather than speak? I think the above is self explanatory.

Got2Go · 2021-05-30T01:47:43+00:00

I finally worked up the courage to tell my doctor i was battling some sever depression. She laughed at me and told me i didnt have depression. Now i have Functional Neurological Symptom Disorder, caused partiallly by my depression going untreated.

FartyMcShitFace · 2021-05-30T04:30:16+00:00

Why is everyone there acting as if this is groundbreaking, new, or somehow unexpected? We've known this for decades. Men and women deal with trauma in extremely different ways. Saying that men need to "open up" (while feminists constantly berate and laugh at men for doing so) has never helped men.

I don't know how feminist thinking about men being broken women leaked into clinical psychology, but it has been one of the most harmful things to men's mental health imaginable. They've worked tirelessly to create systems which include women and exclude men. They've fully enforced the traditional roles for men (as being either providers or worthless; as being unshakable pillars of stability or contemptible vermin; as being proto-rapists or... well, proto-rapists). They've profited indescribably from resources being withheld from men, and still have the audacity to bring up shit like the so-called pink tax and microaggressions.

Feminists: tell men to get help, but support legislation that actively excludes men from any avenue to get help. "We're helping! It's not your fault that you won't take it!"

falout310 · 2021-05-30T06:22:43+00:00

The post is now shadow banned.

thatguysmellsalot · 2021-05-30T04:04:00+00:00

* sorts by controversial *

Leather-Cash-513 · 2021-05-30T04:39:56+00:00

I don’t need a psychologist to tell me why men are more likely to commit suicide. It’s the same reason why women are more likely to cut themselves and men aren’t. If you’re pretty and a woman all you have to do is ask for attention and society (mainly men) gives it you. No man on earth has that luxury. A very large portion of women are born with their worth handed to them. Men have to earn their worth. All men do. With very few exceptions.

2021-05-30T10:19:12+00:00

Worst thing that the top comment instead of focusing in males mental health goes on to say that women attempt more suicide than men but they are less succesful 🙄

rabel111 · 2021-05-30T10:37:09+00:00

The author of this research is not suggesting anything even vaguely beneficial for men. Her argument is that men are being silent not because they are incapable of speaking about their emotions, but because what they have to say is so toxic (as in masculine), that feminism has made them less likely to speak their misogyny out loud.

This is a feminist man hating radical feminist academic on steroids, basicly suggesting that getting men to speak up will not fix anything, because the problem is really just "men".

corniergangrene · 2021-05-30T12:12:16+00:00

Men should always help one another as the media has already failed in this regard. If you ever see a man in need, at the very least give him an ear to be heard. You'd be surprised at how much just the act of listening can help

noisecel · 2021-05-30T14:28:50+00:00

Someone at the bottom of those comments is arguing with a feminist and asked, “why does society send men to war instead of women?” Her answer:

“They’re misogynistic.”

Cking_wisdom · 2021-05-30T09:39:52+00:00

It took me having a bit of a breakdown before anyone tried to help. The mental health services did literally nothing for me (UK) if my family didn't care I'd have been dead long ago

darksideofthemoon131 · 2021-05-30T10:00:11+00:00

Took me 8 months to get an appointment with a counselor when I hit a depression after my Dad died a few years back. I kept telling them I was really low and needed help and they didn't seem to care much. My city also eliminated its mental hospital and a lot of hospitals have cut psychiatric units.

The state of mental health care in this country is a joke.

whatafoolishsquid · 2021-05-30T10:20:37+00:00

No shit. Obamacare promoted "gender equality in health care" by giving women a bunch of free programs and making men pay for it.

Jimmy-T094 · 2021-05-30T12:26:10+00:00

I get blamed for this being my fault because I don't want to get help yet the truth is I am exhausted from the lack of help professionals give me. When I feel suicidal because of my psychosis my girlfriend says well you need help. The phrase that basically says I can't deal with you. Yet family have pushed me away and my friends are gone or have committed suicide. So when a man feels suicidal he is made to feel guilty about the situation

JazzPhobic · 2021-05-30T12:48:20+00:00

I can already hear the angry typing from FDS about how this is somehow mens fault.

NeuroticalyIncorrect · 2021-05-30T09:03:09+00:00

Also method

Farseer_Uthiliesh · 2021-05-30T01:58:42+00:00

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reddboy1981 · 2021-05-30T11:46:24+00:00

Yeah men can kill themselves but if little Imogen don't eat her couscous the world has to stop ffs

costyksimpatic · 2021-05-30T13:08:18+00:00

I also had several suicide attempts. Some from cutting myself, and one time from ingesting 33 pills. One time in May 2012, I cut so much , I was real close to end it all. I think I lost close to 1, 8 liters of blood.

WeaknessTechnical654 · 2021-05-30T16:48:42+00:00

Yeah its that and getting told to "man up". Think about it, almost all men were told by their mom's and dad's that they were weak if they showed any emotion and to "man up".

ubertrashcat · 2021-05-30T07:26:05+00:00

I'd just like to point out that this is a "critical analysis" and not a data-based study. The author only spoke to ten men. It sounds reasonable, but I'd like some results with good statistics before I use it as an argument.

MotherAce · 2021-05-30T15:14:00+00:00

Considering my own reluctance and unwillingness to seek help I'm biased to suspect some errors in this research if said conclusion is in fact what it shows.

tissuesforreal · 2021-06-25T06:08:19+00:00

I had a feeling this was the case. Suddenly, I feel a little less crazy about everything.

Title	Men’s higher suicide rates not linked to their unwillingness to seek help but to obstacles in healthcare access
Author	benderXX
Upvotes	1937
Comments	101
Date	May 29, 2021 11:50 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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