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So, you have a severe mental disorder. People like you are as bad as the feminazis.
Excluding genetic/developmental disorders, XX = female, XY = male. Period.
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Thanks Collin. It was my pleasure
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Well, gender is very diverse, as opposed to biological sex. My stance is that humans are complex and nuanced, which also includes gender, which is why I'm open to gender identities/labels that I don't fully understand myself. I know a nonbinary person who still uses he/him pronouns, he just feels comfortable with those. In addition to that, nonbinary is an umbrella term for a lot of different ways someone's gender can be something you can't put into two neat boxes. Some nonbinary people feel close to masculine and might call themselves men.
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Yeah, I agree. You can have feminine/masculine traits, behaviours, and clothing that doesn't conform to what society would expect of you. Gender identity and gender roles/presentation are two different things. Nonbinary people are nonbinary simply because they don't feel like either a man or a woman. They can have feminine or masculine traits, or a mix thereof.
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They might also have used nonbinary man as a way to describe that they were assigned male at birth, so society views them like man (and mistreats them when they talk about rape trauma), but they are nonbinary.
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And now there's someone being quite disrespectful to OP and me for being pro nonbinary acceptance, and implying that we are infiltrators. Please tell me the rest of this community isn't like this :<
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This feels like bait. People who believe in intersectional nonsense like nonbinary tend to shun men's rights.
Though intersectionality does attract sexual predators and I have heard that autistic people are more susceptible to getting confused about their sex. Could be a Black Swan, who knows.
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I'm nonbinary, and I'm still strongly for equal rights, which includes men's rights. I'm very open to gender identities that society mostly doesn't accept, but it takes nothing away from men's rights to accept that some people identify as neither man nor woman.
I don't know how you define intersectionality, to me it's the concept that all forms of discrimination are linked and should be fought together. This includes sexism, no matter if misogynistic or mysandric, homo/biphobia, transphobia, or queerphobia in general, as well as racism.
I would disagree about autistic people being "susceptible" to being confused about gender, as a high functioning autistic person myself I can confirm that I'm able to independently assess what gender I am without being influenced.
There are a brand of feminists called TERFs, short for trans exclusionary radical feminists. They hold the view that, for example, trans women aren't women and shouldn't be included in the fight for women's rights. There's even some trans people called transmedicalists who believe that you are only trans if you are binary, meaning either clearly feminine or masculine, and you wanna be the opposite gender of the one you were assigned at birth, and you want hormones and all the surgeries, and if you don't, you shouldn't be included in the fight for trans rights. Both of those groups are becoming more and more disliked. Exclusion isn't how we achieve equal rights for everyone. Inclusion is.
TL:DR; It takes nothing away from the fight for men's rights to respect queer and nonbinary identites, to not respect them might cost the movement allies who could have helped.
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That's a rather cute and fluffy description of intersectionality. It's feminism mixed with communism, bringing with it the "progressive stack" and the SJW horde who drive men's rights activists to suicide and generally interfere with men's rights at every turn. It's interesting you use such a positive description of them when they're the ones who say men can't be raped and actively lobby to stop laws from saying they can be.
Yes, I'm familiar with TERFs.
Regarding your TL:DR; I respect that people can have the mental illness called Gender Dysphoria and support them getting help. I don't agree in forcing the general public to indulge their fantasies. This being text, I understand this may come off more callous than I intend so I'll add that I also have a mental illness, which I also don't expect the general public to bend over backwards to accommodate.
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Nobody's forcing the general public to indulge our fantasies, we're asking people to please respect us. That includes not reacting to someone posting about male rape trauma by accusing them of being an infiltrator, simply because they are nonbinary. Nonbinary people exist, and a good portion of them were assigned male at birth and mostly are viewed as, and treated like, men by the general public. This means they also experience lots of the issues that men face, including being raped and not taken seriously. This community is here to fight precisely against that, and we should fight against rape survivors not being taken seriously regardless of gender identity.
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Observed.
You not only praise the enemy but use their language. This really isn't going anywhere.
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You do realise that the LGBT+ community isn't one big hivemind that is collectively radically feminist and opposes men's rights, right? Lots of queer people, myself included, support men's rights. "Assigned male at birth" is often used by the trans community, not just by some SJWs. There is not one united hivemind SJW community and not everyone who is queer is against men's rights.
I'm nonbinary, and genderfluid, and pretty queer, but I'm still here. I saw the points being made for men's rights, and it all made sense to me, so I joined the subreddit. Men's rights are a concept I fully agree with. But now I'm being accused of "praising the enemy", simply because I think that if someone who is viewed by society as a man, who comes here to talk about rape trauma and being ridiculed, should be taken seriously and not accused of being an infiltrator just because they don't identify as a man. Male rape, and society's blindness to it, is one of the things this community fights against. Now a victim of male rape comes here to tell their story, and faces ridicule and accusations. I really hope this isn't how the majority of this community behaves, or I won't be staying for long.
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The autism is strong here.
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Non-binary = Mental Illness
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