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No Jail, Only $500 Fine for 21-Year-Old Woman Who Hit, Killed Motorcyclist While Driving/Texting

Staring_at_you

November 7, 2015
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Title No Jail, Only $500 Fine for 21-Year-Old Woman Who Hit, Killed Motorcyclist While Driving/Texting
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Staring_at_you

Upvotes 737
Comments 137
Date November 7, 2015 8:47 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3rvd2q/no_jail_only_500_fine_for_21yearold_woman_who_hit/
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Comments

[–]ModernApothecary 192 points193 points194 points 10 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link

The six initial charges had been based on evidence at the scene and witness accounts. However, as a representative for the Attorney’s Office said, additional police work revealed conflicting evidence, which led to Meyers’ plea deal.

Can we address this?

Accounting for the lessened sentence, in part, was the fact that although cellphone records have indicated that Meyers had sent text messages one to two minutes before the collision, they did not prove that she had been texting at the time of the collision.

she sent a text a couple minutes before getting on the highway, seems pretty likely that she could have been parked while sending those and then departed. I'm not saying she should only get a 500 dollar fine, but I don't really see this as a clear cut "send that bitch to jail" case.

Furthermore, although the witness reported that Meyers had not come to a complete stop before crossing the highway, Attorney Anne Colt Leitess said that a data recording device in the car indicated that she had, indeed, stopped.

The witness lied in the same statement to the police.

This one isn't your run of the mill pussy pass

[–]sawb1ade 87 points88 points89 points 10 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Well, regardless if she was texting or not, when you hit and kill someone who has right of way, a $500 punishment is a joke.

[–]SigmundFloyd76 22 points23 points24 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And on top of that, we're all thinking that if it was anybody but a good looking young woman; someone would be in jail.

[–]baskandpurr[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://youtu.be/84phU8of02U

[–]SigmundFloyd76 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You got me.

[–]Staring_at_you[S] -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn nice photo of her isn't it? I wonder how many of them she was willing to suck to get out of there.

[–]Hatsee 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Killing someone with a vehicle seems to quite often get you a very lenient sentence even if you did something extremely stupid that resulted in the death of another. I don't get it but that's how things are.

[–]Staring_at_you[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Well it is usually viewed as a random unintentional act, but even then if you don't have right if way the punishments are nothing to be laughed at.

[–]ModernApothecary 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm not saying she should only get a 500 dollar fine, but I don't really see this as a clear cut "send that bitch to jail" case.

Which I did say in the comment you are replying to.

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[–]ModernApothecary 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not saying she should only get a 500 dollar fine

only carries the implication that I believe more punishment would be suitable, but I get what you mean, I was only implying it and not outright saying it as Sawb1ade did. It's a slap on the wrist, and that's inappropriate considering the consequences of her actions ended a life.

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[–]ModernApothecary 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I never meant to imply that had he been driving a car he would be alive, or that it was his choice to ride a bike and that is why he is dead, could you point out which sentence made you feel that way?

[–]Staring_at_you[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right, he/she lists all the conflicting evidence and leaves an ambiguous final statement.

[–]InvaderDem 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a whole different argument. The fact that this is on a sub about men's rights implies gender discrimination. If the evidence checks out, then they're making a decision based off the evidence, not the fact that she's a woman.

[–]Staring_at_you[S] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ding ding ding dign ding. We have a winner.

Woman who had right of way claims she wasn't texting and still hit/kill man gets off with 500 dollar fine.

[–]txroller -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hesitate to guess that even if the perp had been male the outcome would be the same.

[–]WillWorkForLTC 40 points41 points42 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. We appreciate facts here folks, not feels. Let's move in to more important subjects of discussion.

[–]AFuddyDuddy 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's not even a pussy pass. Accidental vehicular deaths tend to have very light sentencing to begin with.

With the conflicting facts, they are pretty lucky she got a fine.

[–]ModernApothecary 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It was a plea deal, on account of having little evidence that she was criminally negligent. I think she should also have her license revoked and have to take driving school to be allowed to reapply for the license, after a period of maybe 6 months to a year.

[–]AFuddyDuddy 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel that would be more than reasonable.

[–]Tramm -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Uh.. The guy I know who accidentally ran over a construction worker, walking through the intersection at night, is now sitting in prison for the next 7 years.

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[–]ModernApothecary 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes you are the first one and there are only 2 or 3 comments taking the obvious narrative. Be the change you want to see in the world!

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[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Pretty clear cut that if you hit and kill someone with the right of way in your car, that just a $500 fine is not the proper "punishment".

You don't even have to get into why she was unable to properly give him the right of way, the fact is she didn't and he's dead now. $500 is a joke.

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[–]Staring_at_you[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know why his doesn't have more upvotes.

[+][deleted] -11 points-10 points-9 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Whether jail is the proper punishment or not is not what I ever stated. You're arguing a strawman. So I'm not going to bother reading the rest of your comment.

I shall repeat exactly the point I made, $500 is not a proper punishment.

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[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Your comment is either a strawman or wholly irrelevant. Perhaps I should have worded it that way originally given that I didn't bother to read the entire thing. I said nothing about jail, so you going on and on about jail is irrelevant to the point I was making. I've had enough of reading irrelevant comments that have nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

You don't need additional evidence to come to the conclusion that $500 is not a proper punishment for hitting and killing a man who had the right of way. What we have supports that. No additional information is needed. Additional information would only make her come off worse, it wouldn't make the man come back from the dead if she wasn't texting. Though it would make her look worse if she was. But either way the man is dead because she wasn't paying enough attention to oncoming traffic.

but all these comments were just hateful and anti-women

Incorrect. Why is it that every single time someone like yourself comes out to say "we should be better than feminism" [I presume that's what you mean] you are acting exactly like them? "I dislike things, so they are hate and anti-women!" "I disagree with these things, they are hate and anti-women!"

Did you actually read all the comments? How is my original comment "hatred of women"? How was my comment "anti-women"? It wasn't, you can't spin it any way to be anti-women or hateful. Please link to each comment explaining how every single one is "anti-woman" and "hateful". I will gladly read the entire thing. At a minimum each comment made prior to your comment. Given you're better than everyone here and feminists too, you should have no issue proving your claim that ALL the comments were just hateful and anti-woman.

$500 for killing someone who had the right of way is not a punishment fit for that level of negligence. We don't need to know if she was texting, because the issue is she hit a man and he died as a result.

Did she hit him? Yes.

Does her texting or not change anything about her hitting him? No.

Thus the point. He had the right of way as said by authorities, what more do you need to know that $500 is ridiculous? Bushes wouldn't make it better that she hit him and killed him. The sun shining in her eyes wouldn't make it better than she hit and killed him. These are all still her fault. She still hit him, and he still died. The reason why she was unable to not hit and kill a man while driving is irrelevant in this case. Nothing will change the fact that she hit and killed this man, and nothing will change that $500 for doing so is absurd. And again, I never uttered a word about jail. You did.

[–]Staring_at_you[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well go back to /r/twoxchromosomes then.

[–]Tramm 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My insurance lapsed for 1 day and after getting my car out of the impound and paying off the tickets and tag charges it cost me over $600. And then, because the woman at the county clerks office gave me the wrong paperwork (which the lady at the sheriffs office accepted) I had to pay off a warrant for my arrest on the same ticket, a month later. Costing another $400 or so.

[–]speedisavirus -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Because she hit and killed someone that had the right of way through carelessness and recklessness. She deserves her days in jail and not a $500 fine. I hope the motorcyclist's family files an enormous civil suit against her. Don't know if its a gender issue but this sort of slap on the wrist is not acceptable.

[–]blunt-e 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah as much as I am not for the "pussy pass", our legal system is based off of innocent until proven guilty, and requiring a preponderance of evidence to convict. This means in a situation where there is enough reasonable doubt, a lesser plea is reasonable. It's tough when reading an article like this to make an informed judgement, you just have to assume that the prosecutor who had access to all of the actual facts of the case made the best judgement as to what was fair. The mother of the motorcyclist who died is understandably pissed, but she would not be happy matter what the resolution. Maybe the driver really was guilty, but if there's a reasonable doubt you wouldn't be able to get a conviction.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She may of not been sending a text message, but I bet she was reading the reply to the texts she sent a minute or two before the collision and that's what the witness saw.

[–]ModernApothecary 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a possibility, but definitely not hard evidence for court, especially considering the witness was contradicted by the vehicle computer data on another part of that same statement.

[–][deleted] 61 points62 points63 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

"Less than three weeks ago, she got another reckless driving for going 85 mph in a 55 mph in Anne Arundel County," Halperin said. "How many people does she have to kill before she loses her license? That's the question we'd really like answered."

http://m.wbaltv.com/news/woman-gets-500-fine-in-fatal-gambrills-crash/25932998

[–]HisokaX 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

seriously this needs more upvotes. I hope it gets used in her civil case and she loses. I'm sure if this was tried by a jury in a criminal case she'd be guilty.

[–]Lose__Not__Loose 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Won't her insurance company be the one that deals with the civil case? I don't know how that stuff works but I wouldn't mind seeing a good chunk of every paycheck she recieves going to the family of the victim for the rest of her life.

[–]ccosby 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends how much insurance she carried and how much they get a judgement for. They could tap out the insurance leaving her on the hook for the rest.

[–]RunawayBear 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]ccosby 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That kinda gets me. I would think most people start to pay more attention after getting a ticket because they don't want another one right behind it. With two reckless tickets in less than a month they should have at least pulled her license for a while.

[–]bassofkramer 35 points36 points37 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

After traffic school and processing fees my speeding ticket was close to 500 dollars

[–]Staring_at_you[S] 44 points45 points46 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But she is a poor young girl struggling on her own. You are a priveledged male who can handle being held back 10 years.

[–]chiefbigjr 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If you were speeding enough for a $400 ticket, you were being a dumbass.

[–]bassofkramer 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In California, I don't know you're from, our ticket prices are about half of the total cost. The rest of it is various associated fees and extra fees if you take drivers school, fees for this and that.

[–]chiefbigjr 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Up in canada where I'm at to get a $300 ticket it was 120 in a 70 and don't get the option of drivers school.

[–]Needlecrash 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's fucked up.

[–]Corn-Tortilla 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This isn't a men's rights issue. There's no pussy pass here. As a rider, I often follow reports of motorcycle deaths, and it is fairly common that cagers get a hand slap when killing a rider, no matter what their plumbing is.

[–]continuousQ 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't even notice I was in /r/MensRights until your comment. Definitely a tragic story and something to make you question the justice system. Didn't see the MRA aspect.

[–]a_posh_trophy 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This isn't even men's rights. This is just fucked up.

[–]Alkomb[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, it's because she's a woman.
& what you said.

[–]chaku89 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Justice is a joke i guess.

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[–]SleepDeprivedPegasus 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It was, she plead guilty to negligent driving. There are so many possibilities to what happened here and very little evidence for us to look at. I have left parking lots that are on slopes with trees on either side where it is almost impossible to see oncoming traffic. Without more information, I don't think we should be jumping to conclusions on how guilty this girl is and definitely shouldn't be making this a gender issue when there are so many more clear cut cases of discrimination out there. We make ourselves look bad by attacking this girl with such shaky information.

[–]Lose__Not__Loose -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

So she admitted to driving negligently and in the process killed someone. How is that not negligent homicide?

Edit: Ah, the ol' downvote instead of rebuttal or answer. Stay classy.

[–]TeamDisrespect 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is negligence.. Not criminal negligence though.. They have nothing on her more than being the driver at fault in an unfortunate accident.

[–]Staring_at_you[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Negligence that directly resulted in someone's death, not in a second hand asbestos related death 50 years on, but direct, i smack you off your motorbike right in front me and killed you because i didn't nother looking (supposedly), negligence.

[–]SCROTAL-SACK 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And the texts she'd send a minute prior? What do you think the witnesses saw? Its not too unrealistic that she was reading her replies or scrolling through facebook the moment of the crash.

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[–]SCROTAL-SACK 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Shouldn't be texting at all while driving, or at a stop sign. Pulling in, ok. 1. She'd sent texts a minute before the crash, 2. Witnesses saw her "texting" (reading her replies), 3. She killed another person who had right of way.

$500 is a fucking joke.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow. That is less than what you would get for driving with no insurance in my state. That's not having an accident with no insurance, that is just getting pulled over and finding out you have no insurance. I figured the punishment for anyone killing someone because of negligence would be more than that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The title here doesn't seem to reflect the evidence.

I don't see this as a men's issue. There are all kind of guys who get off on D&D charges involving a death with no jail time. I realize there is a trend that women get lesser sentences than men, but this just seems like police doing their job here and not being able to get the evidence needed for a conviciton.

[–]Arby01 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There are all kind of guys who get off on D&D charges involving a death with no jail time.

please share a North American example.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I know of two instances from my home town. You have Google. Use it.

[–]Arby01 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You made the assertion. Since you can't support it, I am just going to ignore it as bullshit you made up.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I assume you live under a rock, so here's one for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Couch

This guy killed three people; no jail time.

If you want more, all you have to do is Google "Drunk drive avoid jail". You'll get lots.

But you can believe what you want to believe, ignore easily retrievable facts, and then tell people they are full of shit because the facts don't support whatever it is you want to believe. That's up to you. I don't care one way or the other.

Reply with whatever snarky, smart ass, condescending response you want. I'm not wasting anymore time responding to trolls like you.

[–]Alkomb[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why?!
Oh, yeah, she's a woman.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

She shouldn't get jail time either way.

Yes, she should. She killed a man. That's manslaughter. 15 years at least.

Think about how many women would PUT THE PHONE DOWN or not do their makeup at the wheel if they thought HOLY SHIT I COULD GO TO JAIL IF I KILLED SOMEONE.

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[–]HisokaX 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She was recently given a ticket for going 30mph over the speed limit. She now has a history of reckless and neglignat driving.

[–]Staring_at_you[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It shows amdisregard for thenlaw in many aspects.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Maliciously would be a murder charge, and accident would be a manslaughter charge, not that hard to figure out.

[–]TeamDisrespect 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If you are involved in a traffic accident that results in death; even if you are found to be at fault, it's not manslaughter. It's just not. This is a shitty thing that happened but people are killed everyday in motor vehicle accidents.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

man·slaugh·ter ˈmanˌslôdər/ noun the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder.

[–]TeamDisrespect 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which has nothing to do with a traffic accident but whatever..

[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't matter. If you act negligently and it results in death, it counts.

I could throw a giant rock blindly off an overpass: if it hits and kills a woman driving a car I can't argue I didn't even see her so couldn't have had any intent to kill her, the fact that I did something criminally negligent and stupid is enough for a conviction.

PUSSY PASS IN FULL EFFECT.

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[–]TeamDisrespect 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah apparently everyone here is assuming that being at fault in a traffic accident that results in a fatality = manslaughter charges. Nothing could be further from the truth. Lots of pitchforks in these comments; not much common sense.

[+]Staring_at_you[S] -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are you here?

[–]Staring_at_you[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

removal of dangerous people from society

What is more dangerous than a 21 yo behind the wheel who wont admit responsibility?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Wow! That is staggering.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Right? That man's life is only worth $500 in the eyes of the law.

[+]Staring_at_you[S] -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be honest, they did take specific case details into account. The fact that it was a GUY riding the motorcycle got her a lighter sentence. Then the fact she has a YOUNG pussy AND a pretty face got her a little less.

So to be fair it was a WEIGHT of evidence that got her a reduced sentence, not a direct pussy pass.

[–]TomBayes 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have heard it said before, if you want to kill someone, do it with a car. The punishments for road rage, vehicular manslaughter, etc. are much lighter than their non-car involving counterparts. Keep that in mind when reading a news story involving car accidents.

[–]McFeely_Smackup -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that's pretty much the comment I just made too. for a $500 fine you can murder anyone you want, so long as you use a car to do it.

[–]sum_devil 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

I think it's very hard to send someone to jail for something like this. Motorcycles are the dumbest vehicle on the roads. My dad was damn near killed by an old man that turned left while not paying attention. My dad doesn't ride motorcycles anymore. Bc it's stupid. You're taking a huge risk that someone could kill you from a seconds lapse in judgement. If the guy had been in a car, he might not have died. I'm not down with sending someone to jail for accidentally killing a person riding a motorcycle unless they were dui. People here are acting like they've never texted or looked at a phone while driving. Am I to assume everyone is a robot while driving? This isn't a pussy pass. Motorcycling is risky as fuck and it wasn't like she intentionally ran him over. I love the pussypass sub but this is just reaching.

[–]Lose__Not__Loose 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have never texted or looked at my phone while driving, because I'm a responsible adult.

[–]skarn17 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

So just because motorcyclists take a huge risk, there should be no punishment for her ending someone's life? What if she had hit a bicyclist. And why are you excusing her being on her phone just because other people do it? It's illegal for a reason, it makes people not focus on the road when they are driving and then they cause accidents. She killed someone, accident or not, and that should have consequences.

[–]sum_devil -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

She didn't make the decision for the man to be on a motorcycle. He chose that. It's a known fact that people's brains aren't watching for motorcycles. Had he been in a car, she might have seen him, or even if she didn't, he might've survived. She can't control another persons choice to drive a ridiculously unsafe vehicle. We can't send people to jail for accidents like this. She didn't murder someone. What if she were tuning the radio and did this? Or glancing in her review bc her kid in the car seat was coughing or some other dumb shit? Same exact outcome could've happened. Maybe she accidentally kills a man bc she didn't turn her head to check the blind spot. We gonna send to jail? No we aren't. Killing someone while driving isn't really punishable by jail time unless it's DUI or evading police or some other kinda shit like that. Texting and driving isn't drunk driving. I agree it's bad and probably just as dangerous. But they aren't the same.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that. Texting and driving isn't drunk driving. I agree it's bad and probably just as dangerous. But they aren't the same.

no, texting while driving is demonstrably worse than being drunk at the legal limit.

[–]Lose__Not__Loose -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Texting and driving isn't drunk driving. I agree it's bad and probably just as dangerous. But they aren't the same.

So they should carry the same punishment as drunk driving. And you just admitted to defending what are essentially DUI drivers.

[–]chiefbigjr 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Texting and driving has a fairly hefty penalty, christ you think people with DUI's get punished? If they did there wouldn't be people getting 3-5+ and keeping their license.

On another note did you even read the article? It specifically says that the texting and driving charges were dropped because of insuficient evidence that also conflicted with what witnesses said.

In all honesty the majority in this thread sound no different than feminists. Ignoring all actual evidence and saying guilty because of gender while also expecting punishment much more severe than any similar cases.

[–]Staring_at_you[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

He had right of way. She was texting.

[–]TeamDisrespect 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It clearly states in the article that she had texted 2-3 minutes prior to the accident. They could not prove that she was texting at the time of the accident; therefore when considering her punishment the texting does not factor in at all. She still gets due process under the law like anyone would. If they can't prove she was texting at the time of the accident then in the eyes of the law she was not texting.

[–]a_posh_trophy 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's still death by dangerous driving. Texting or not.

[–]Staring_at_you[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No, they could not prove she wasn't. There is nothing proving the exact time of the accident. Witnesses report she was texting from what they could see. Either way, she had right of way.

[–]sum_devil -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So did my dad. The man wasn't texting, but he still made a dumb decision fucked my dad up big time. Shit happens. In the end, it was an accident. And so was this. Jail time for the girl isn't the answer.

[–]Staring_at_you[S] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This goes beyond the texting. He had right of way aswell.

[–]mariox19 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Aw, who would want to see that cute wittle facey-wacey in pwison :-(

[–]ruskeeblue 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

WTF

[–]Lose__Not__Loose 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've gotten a bigger penalty for driving without registration and insurance.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So for the same fine as a couple of speeding tickets, you can kill anyone you want.

[–]Staring_at_you[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If onlyTed Bundy had figured this out, he would never have bothered with the crutches or the porn excuse.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is why I dont ride a bike on the street.

[–]Staring_at_you[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

:( sad but true.

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[–]SinisterMJ 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Too punishy? I am sorry, if you cause a crash resulting in someone dying, you should not get away with a 1 week salary fine. I think jail is the wrong thing here, but people who get caught driving drunk / drugged / completely irresponsible (and using your phone while driving is irresponsible) should at least have the license revoked and need an idiot test (thats what we call it here in Germany)

[–]newharddrive -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

When the justice system fails to provide justice, we must provide justice on our own.

[–]throwaway_holla 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Such as?

What would that be in this case?

[–]newharddrive 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A $600 fine?

[–]throwaway_holla 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

JUSTICE! IS! SIRRUVED!!

[–]continuousQ 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Civil suit.

[–]throwaway_holla 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And how do you propose that outsiders bring a civil suit against this driver??

[–]newharddrive 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A $600 fine?

[+][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Back in the day a bunch of guys out of Easyriders would have shown up and broken her face and hands with a bike chain.

The good old days.

[–]throwaway_holla 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Please cite your source.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I was alive back then.

[–]throwaway_holla 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So what? You're alive now and you don't know what it's like living in the Hamptons. So please cite your source about what bikers would do "back in the day." Perhaps you were running with biker gangs back then, "breaking up" women's faces and hands with bike chains?

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There was a poster in the 1970s "You know you're going to have a bad day when..." with a bunch of different answers underneath.

One is "you arrive at work to see a 60 minutes crew in your office."

Another was "your horn sticks behind a bunch of Hells Angels."

[–]garblegarble12 -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Did the man who died on her car potentially rape her by invading her safe space? Sounds like there is more than the eye sees...

[–]Staring_at_you[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, he shot cum in her mouth through the smashed windscreen while flying through the air as her mouth was agape from the catastrophe she he caused. He deserved what he got really.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This is why a lot of bikers have really loud bikes. OH I'M SO SORRY PINCHY FACE SOCCER MOMMY - MAYBE YOU SHOULD FUCKING WATCH WHERE YOU DRIVE IN FUTURE.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You know, it used to really annoying me too until I realized it's a good way to not get splattered.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And people mewl "no it isn't.... you can't hear the bike until it's past you"

the same people who argue you can "hear the bikes coming and going" when they bitch about it later.

[–]Corn-Tortilla 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Loud pipes save lives? I would ask for a citation, but I already know you can't find a reliable one.

[–]Hamakua 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm a biker, have been for... ~14 years.

"Loud pipes save lives" is just an excuse to get loud pipes. unless you are either riding way above the speed limit (even highway speeds) or your entire exhaust system fell off or you have a big crack in your manifold, no pipe is going to alert the unaware to your presence unless they are right next to you (stopped).

Road noise + insulation from a vehicle all but filters out motorcycle engine noise.

I've never met a biker who seriously believed pipes were a safety measure, it's a machismo/performance/rebellious thing.

Wearing brightly colored clothing -especially your helmet will do far more for driver awareness than any after market pipe.

[–]Corn-Tortilla 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, but you're preaching to the choir.

I prefer the saying a track riding buddy of mine has on the trailer he uses to haul his bike and gear out to the track.

"If you think loud pipes save lives, imagine what learning to ride that thing would do".

[–]warspite88 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this is not just feminism at play this is the white knight right and left politics that push for this kind of kid gloves to young , white, women. has been going on for centuries and will never change no matter how little feminism or how much mens rights there is in the world. its disgusting, its wrong but its life mostly at the hands of white knight men.

next issue...

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