Woman bartender refuses to serve male patron because of what he's wearing and/or beliefs. So can he sue for $135,000 like the gay couple did because the baker refused to bake them a cake or...?

SlashSero · 2015-07-17T21:02:49+00:00

If a bartender refuses service take it up with the business owner since they are refusing to do their job. If the business owner cares about their business and profit enough they will talk some sense into the bartender. If they don't then it's a bad business that isn't worth spending your money at. This isn't so much discrimination as it is ostracism, which is one of the main tactics used to silence and isolate men who come forward for their rights.

zedingo · 2015-07-17T20:12:11+00:00

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BarneyBent · 2015-07-18T01:34:33+00:00

Not a protected class (neither is feminism), so unlikely.

pnw_diver · 2015-07-17T19:51:20+00:00

Refused service because of a sweathshirt that says Meninist on it? I have a good idea - lets all refuse anyform of hospitality to anyone witha feminist shirt on.

PeterPorky · 2015-07-18T03:07:25+00:00

iirc individuals reserve the right not to serve someone as long as they aren't a protected class, i.e. I can refuse to serve you because I don't like the color of your tie, but I can't refuse to serve you because you're black.

dungone · 2015-07-18T08:43:44+00:00

No, I seriously doubt it. That would, in all honesty, be really dumb.

It may be somewhat subjective at times, but it's perfectly reasonable to take exception when someone tries to discriminate against someone over something they have no control over (race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc).

But this is not one of those cases. If I were a bartender, for example, I would like to reserve the right not to serve someone wearing a feminist t-shirt. I don't want any of my male patrons to end up on the receiving end of a false rape accusation of some sort - for instance. In fact, I might ban meninist t-shirts as well, at least insofar as the guy is probably a douche who is there to start an argument with drunk feminists (who aren't wearing their feminist shirts). Generally I would chalk it up to the same policy that most bars already have - no gang colors.

DavidByron2 · 2015-07-17T19:59:26+00:00

No.

First of all you can always take a T-shirt off. Secondly there's no history of discrimination against men with Menninist T shirts.

iambecomedownvote · 2015-07-18T13:05:40+00:00

No, you're only allowed to not like specific things in "progressive" America.

fourthwallcrisis · 2015-07-18T03:11:21+00:00

It fucking sucks, but I'm not a fan of laying down the law to private companies about who they can and can't serve. I hate sexism and homophobia, but as we've seen with the boy scouts now accepting gay scout leaders; the answer isn't to bring down the iron fist of the law with legislation, but to educate and make people more sympathetic to everyone else. It's the slower path, for sure; but it preserves our freedom of expression instead of giving it up for a quick, dirty win.

HettGutt · 2015-07-18T11:11:28+00:00

Silly [white/male/straight/Christian], legal protection is only for "oppressed" groups!

j0c1f3r · 2015-07-18T02:52:08+00:00

i need one of these shirts...

2015-07-18T08:58:44+00:00

It depends. Is it a horrible oppressive shirt handmade by a female friend? In that case he deserves public humiliation.

murphyburnz · 2015-07-18T13:27:51+00:00

If you want to do anything, speak to a manager or owner of the bar, I'm sure they would have loved to take your money rather than see someone turned away for a sweatshirt. On the other hand, don't know why homophobia had to be brought into this. The Wedding Cake case wasn't because a business wasn't just denying service, they responded unprofessionally and that is why the court sided with the couple.

bumbuff · 2015-07-18T14:37:40+00:00

The bakery shop was technically allowed to deny service to whomever they wanted. It was the way they handled it, I believe. Or at least, the way they handled it once the couple decided to go to the news.

The bar incident could easily be manipulated into a favorable story for the bartender. It's a sketchy industry.

bearcubsmuggler · 2015-07-18T21:02:47+00:00

Bartenders and servers have the right to refuse service for any reason to protect them from getting into sticky situations.

PlayersAce · 2015-07-18T08:50:12+00:00

The establishment has a right to refuse service to anyone. It's an asshole move, but it is not grounds for legal action.

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