Why do people deny the Black Pill?

DearCommunication919 · 2023-07-06T11:04:37+00:00

Deliberate gaslighting

ratboi34 · 2023-07-06T11:36:16+00:00

If you are unattractive, the easy way to cope is to believe in 'bluepill' folk wisdom, like that women will love you just for your soul and character. The attractive guys know girls like them because they look good and are good at sports for example. But If you are weak it's easy to cling on to virtue, it's easy to think that virtue is making you attractive, because if you are ugly, unathletic and broke virtue is all you got. I mean look at incels they are so heartbroken to find out that women care about height and that just kindness and romance doesn't make you attractive. I mean look at how the people in the 'Inceltears' subreddit look like. They are unattractive, weak people and get their power from being more virtuous than incels that are already at the very bottom of society. Being 'morally' better than incels is all they got going for them. Look at all the angry redpill dudes. They are all former bluepill believers that got their heart broken once they have figured out women actually care about looks and status. I mean look at them, most of them are naturally not the most attractive guys and they all come from poor upbringings.

SedTheeMighty · 2023-07-06T11:29:18+00:00

No one wants to actually hear the truth

EverVigilant1 · 2023-07-06T13:40:35+00:00

People deny black pill because black pill truths are extremely painful to acknowledge.

It hurts to acknowledge you're not a top 5% man, or top 10% or even top 50%. You have to work harder, you get less results after more work, and you get to your best and people still shit on you. It's hard to walk away. It's harder to walk away from things you have been taught your entire life are true. It's extremely hard to accept that everyone around you lied to you and that everything you thought was true, is not and never was.

It's hard to accept that the people who taught you those things completely failed in their responsibility. It's hard to accept that maybe, just maybe, they didn't know that what they were teaching you was false. It's hard to accept that the lies and gaslighting run that deep.

It's hard to change everything about yourself. It's hard to accept you'll have to do that work.

Diligent_Divide_4978 · 2023-07-06T18:13:43+00:00

they were bullied throughout their lives based on how they look and how they act

inb4 "see, you act like inkwells and you get bullied."

Most inkwells I've encountered are not any more or less "moral" than any other person. It's just that they are conventionally unattractive in the face, ethnic, or short. Therefore, every action they perform is colored by one of these traits.

Then there is the matter of autism. Autistic people I have encountered interact with the world and other people very differently from NTs, but there is nothing really objectionable about their behavior. They tend to be much more subtle in their expressions and have different vocal intonations and inflections than NTs.

Apparently, these traits are deserving of gaslighting and permavirginity.

Just get a more attractive face bro.

Just be white bro.

Just be tall bro.

Just cure your autism bro.

puddingbike · 2023-07-06T19:40:22+00:00

Why do people deny the Black Pill?

The simple truth of it is too fucking painful.

They just were good looking and confident boys who girls were attracted to. This shit starts at like age fucking 10.

It starts in nursery school. I'm not trying to be funny.

Looking back at the people who were successful in high school. They were confident, fun to be around and attractive.

You're not as black pill as you think. They were attractive and THUS they were confident and fun to be around.

I remember back in high school, the bullies/jocks where the ones who got all the girls. Were they going the gym? Nah.

Not accurate. Lifting weights definitely happens in high school.

Chads aren't born like they are.

They sort of are actually.

I remember when we were 16 he was already like 5ft10 and had a super deep voice.

You can already be 6 feet at the age of 16. That's the REAL PLAYA.

The black pill can absolutely not be denied.

Agreed.

Like if you're overweight and 4/10 becoming fit and low body fat % will give you a stronger jawline and maybe make you a 5 or 6/10.

Losing weight has a MIRACULOUS effect on a man's appearance. Much more dramatic than most people realize.

Mellloyellow · 2023-07-06T16:52:27+00:00

People like to believe that world is fair.

IDrinkPetroleum123 · 2023-07-06T22:01:19+00:00

Because the truth is inconvenient, they deny it.

DoctorWinchester87 · 2023-07-06T14:13:59+00:00

As others have stated, the truth hurts. People absolutely do not want to be told that they have been lied to just to make them feel better. It’s like being told Santa isn’t real as a kid.

I would say that permanently “bluepilled” individuals deny the blackpill because in their experience, bluepill works for them. The vast majority of people who follow the bluepill are already average or above average looking, upper middle class, white collar, and live in urban areas. These people have ticked off the majority of boxes for successful dating, including the most important one (be attractive). So for them, personality and character are important because the looks are already assumed to be good. You’ll notice these people often claim that “looks get your foot in the door…” so to an extent they already acknowledge that looks are the priority. For these people though, virtually everyone in their social circle is young, fit, and hot so it’s not something they have to actively engage with.

The blackpill is merely the act of acknowledging where you sit in the dating Caste system. If you’re Chad, you get to reap all the benefits from that and the halo effect. If you’re Seymour (I don’t know just some unattractive placeholder name), a pudgy, short nerdy guy with Asperger’s, you must recognize that you will have a very hard time finding someone, because women will select for the best looking guy they can get.

It’s a cruel world, and some people would rather cling to some sense of false hope rather than lose all hope. It’s almost like Pascal’s wager but for dating: it’s easier for some to cling to bluepill ideals just in case they can win someone over despite being ugly.

There’s also a lot of white-knighting out there, especially on Reddit. Even I was guilty of that when I first joined Reddit. Certain guys will pile on and recite bluepill ideals ad naseum because they think it makes them more virtuous and on the side of women. It goes along with Reddit’s general propensity to self righteousness, moral grandstanding, and main character syndrome. These people hate the blackpill because it reveals how phony they are.

ToxapexHisui · 2023-07-06T11:31:29+00:00

disney life

purplish_possum · 2023-07-06T14:17:58+00:00

Like if you're overweight and 4/10 becoming fit and low body fat % will give you a stronger jawline and maybe make you a 5 or 6/10.

Exactly, for people who drew genetic short straws life is a lot of work for marginal return.

Peacesquad · 2023-07-06T15:14:46+00:00

I can see both sides to be honest. The deniers hate the defeatist weak male aspect of it but the defenders of BP lost the genetic lottery and are constantly reminded that better looking men have better lives and sexual success. I see both sides tbh

AssistTemporary8422 · 2023-07-07T02:43:09+00:00

Its always so funny how so many people here with autism thinks their problem is their looks when its so obvious its because they have autism. I just saw a post by a good looking autistic person saying people will take a bad looking neuro-divergent to him because they have charisma and social skills. Those bullies got the girls and not you because they didn't have autism.

ducktopian · 2023-09-30T23:05:31+00:00

Few in society ever want to acknowledge the scapegoats.

Lovedbythesunandmoon · 2023-07-06T14:46:41+00:00

The nerd/jock thing is the movies, not real life. In real life jocks are nice people and nerds are rude little assholes who bully girls. Nerds even bully the girls who like them. They're still mentally at that age where little boys would rather play with other boys and aren't interested in girls yet. Some men never really grow out of that.

Lord_TachankaCro · 2023-07-06T14:02:03+00:00

A lot of "incels" I met are simply guys shooting out of their league, crying about how nobody wants them, treating unattractive women with disgust. If you are by your own words 4/10 maybe don't expect to find a supermodel...

Drive-By-Cuckers · 2023-07-06T13:08:37+00:00

Lmao the jocks in high school definitely worked out, that’s why they were athletic. If you have twins and you have one of them work out every day starting when they’re young with running and then have them start lifting when they’re almost around puberty age they’ll end up taller and with broader shoulders than their identical twin

Yes genetics are important, but epigenetics are a thing too, within your lifetime, your body decides to activate or suppress certain genes based on the amount of various resources you consume and burn on average.

Why would your body, which is designed to maximally improve the chances of the human race continuing, want to beef up and consume more resources in exchange for strength when it doesn’t expend many resources and doesn’t need strength? In caveman times, people who don’t go out hunting getting beefy and tall could doom the whole tribe as they need to eat more and aren’t generating any more food with their size.

_demidevil_ · 2023-07-06T16:42:53+00:00

This is so sad. Really highlights the need to protect vulnerable autistic boys from manosphere influencers.

I know it might feel like you’ll never meet someone, but try to keep an open mind. The manosphere are just making money off you and exploiting you… as a result preventing you from having relationships. Maybe try therapy?

Sabrepill · 2023-07-06T16:26:30+00:00

Because the black pill is half truths and a bunch of losers who can’t handle adversity and think “it’s over” and that you should give up or need drugs or surgery for every single imperfection you have. Their looks alone aren’t what make them losers, it’s their mentality

That being said, these losers do have a lot of good info too if you look past all of their behavior. Things like softmax looksmaxing, natty gymcelling, dating app experiments, analysis of looks, have some value

But their “bro science” is heavily weighted towards under 25 autistic incels who think that dating apps, and early life experiences, are the sum total of what women respond to favorably. Their theories start become half truths or plain inaccurate for many western women’s behaviors who are over 22 or not on dating apps

TheSongsInYourHead · 2023-07-06T15:35:57+00:00

I don't think people really deny the blackpill. It's really more about the messenger and how the message is presented.

If you're unattractive, your opinion is most likely going to be dismissed out of hand anyway, because people make negative assumptions about the unattractive people. Your opinion is going to be doubly dismissed if you're complaining about looks, because people don't have sympathy for unattractive people.
Soften the language and more people will accept the premise. People talk about "leagues" all the time. Like what is a league if not acknowledgement of dating stratification on the basis of looks. This is commonly understood, but they don't like the way you say it.

Specific_Praline_362 · 2023-07-06T16:51:26+00:00

Because we know from life experience that it isn't true.

EugeneCezanne · 2023-07-06T22:58:52+00:00

I remember back in high school, the bullies/jocks where the ones who got all the girls. Were they going the gym? Nah

I'm confused as to how you had "jocks" in high school that weren't going to the gym.

Anyway, you're making a very common fallacy. Advice given to you is for you, not HIM. If you were HIM, you wouldn't need advice in the first place.

Like, if you're obese and a doctor suggests you watch your diet. It doesn't matter if your skinny friends don't watch their own diets. If you had their metabolisms, you wouldn't be asking.

It isn't something you just pick up as an adult. Chads are raised to be Chads.

I was a kissless virgin by the time I hit college at 18. I didn't get good with women until my mid 20s and didn't get Chad-level until nearly 30. The process was simply a gradual, organic improvement in my personality resulting from quality social relationships with actual women I liked as human beings.

killjumpsteady · 2023-07-07T02:19:20+00:00

The jocks didnt workout? What is your definition of a jock? All people who play sports workout cardio is still working out

Nihi1986 · 2023-07-07T02:30:58+00:00

1- because it's often exagerated. Looks matter the most but everything plays a role.

2- because it goes against the current narratives in society and points out nature's unfairness in a bitter way. The last thing that good looking people and npcs want to hear is that they are lucky and permanently mistreating you and making you feel miserable just by existing and living their lives, they don't want to solve your problems and they know they can't even if they wanted.

3- because, being exagerated as I previously stated, embracing the black pill leads to desperation and to giving up, but people aren't supposed to give up on enjoying what society supposedly has to offer.

HubertusCatus88 · 2023-07-06T15:56:19+00:00

jocks where the ones who got all the girls. Were they going the gym? Nah.

So I just imagined spending 8 hours a week in the gym? Get out of here with that bull.

Delicious_Crew7888 · 2023-07-06T18:13:30+00:00

I just feel like I'm not getting the idea of the black pill. Like if you're ugly life is much more difficult. Is that the sum of it?

Green-Quantity1032 · 2023-07-06T18:03:16+00:00

If you've seen those movies, you probably also seen the ones with the girl-makeover.

Why can stacies (how do you pluralize that) be raised to be stacies later than chads?

If you look around Reddit you'll find enough examples of nerd-to-chad transformations, people beyond 24 even.

Sure, if you were nerdy and picked-up on at school you'll have your little quirks even after you're Chadlier - but guess what - no one cares/notices - they have their own issues.

Now, Asperger thing is a bitch I'll give you that, I personally don't know how to handle that.

But that doesn't mean everything is so fatally blackpilled - some people can work on what's stopping them from being attractive and some people can't.

What's worse and most obvious to me is this:

Most people who would be 'Chad/Chadlite' never become it because of lack of hope and dedication. The BlackPill, it's fatalistic form. is a mind disease.

Yes, it's true for some people - there ARE guys who really have no hope in the dating market.

But most blackpillers - they just bought in to something stupid and lack the hope and willpower to get out.

So yes, the advice is still this:

Go to the fucking gym, Get your fashion in style, get your food right, get your sleep, socialize - and take action - meet girls.

Yes, some will fail miserably. All will fail temporarily. But I bet most would prevail* had they given themselves the chance, time and dedication.

*Yes, prevail means different things for different starting points - If you're 5'5 don't expect to be pulling 9s from the clubs every night.

Fucking 6 girls total and ending up in a relationship with a cool pretty girl is WAY better than masturbating to Andrew-Tate !

Glad we cleared that up, goodbye

Title	Why do people deny the Black Pill?
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Date	July 6, 2023 10:58 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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