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Please specifically lay out this metaphor of loan vs sexual history. Financial history is important for a loan. It's used to factor risk and liability to fulfilling the agreement between lender and borrower. With a relationship, there isn't that sort of arrangement other than boundaries and (assumedly) being monogamous. Sexual history isn't intrinsic or inherently indicative of someone's worth as a person, nor how they behave in a relationship unless it's a trail of infidelity. You can have multiple partners without ever have been unfaithful. ...Are you worried you won't be able to fulfill a woman who's had more sexual experience than you? Is that the root of this? Or somehow you view someone as used up or not as pure because they're able to enjoy sex more openly than you can with your 1600s stance on the female body?

In OPs image, its equating women to literal possessions. Which again, doesn't make sense unless you're proud of seeing women as such. And unless you're of the incel teenage mindset that more partners = loose - if there isn't an STD issue, then someone else's sexual history has no real effect on you other than rattling your own insecurities. You may as well thrown out the "lock that opens to any key is a shitty lock" jab that really has no bearing either.

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I don't see how this is a problem for men.

In case you haven't noticed, the marriage contract almost solely benefits the woman in the relationship. It puts us at risk for loss of our finances, homes, cars, and puts a burden of responsibility for children that aren't ours in many states.

Don't worry, I'm sure half the men here will still have sex with you. We just won't respect you or have a long-term relationship with you because of your track record. The other half of us will be too worried you are disease ridden, and just like rotten meat, we won't touch you.

And don't worry if you don't tell us, your friends do. People care about people getting hurt, and bouncing from man to man does that. It hurts people. Even if you don't like to admit you've hurt people in the process.

Same goes for men. Feminists like to talk about how men are allowed to rack up numbers and just get fist bumps from their friends, but man-whores are seen as just as lowly to most of us. It isn't hard to get laid these days. Caving in to random women just shows you are weak-willed.

Sure reality can suck if you make bad choices.

Its still reality.

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That is why divorce is initiated 85% by women.

No, it's more because these men are making the women miserable, and the women are more willing to take a financial hit than stay with their husbands. The husbands must be pretty bad.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/04/the-divorce-gap/480333/

Look, I'm quite religious and am in favor of chastity in both women and men before marriage. (Emphasis: BOTH men and women. Not just women.) But I think that study you link to (which looks like it has its own biases) is not showing the complete picture.

My theory is that women are working more, are becoming more socially aware that they don't have to put up with a man who makes them miserable.

When I was very young, the idea of "divorce" was shameful (especially in my church) so people would just suffer unhappily rather than divorce. The stigma has lessened over the years and that's another reason why divorce is on the rise. Now, when a marriage is miserable, more people are willing to end it, where before, they wouldn't.

I also suspect that the prevalence of porn in recent years has made more porn addicts, especially men (who seem more susceptible to porn), and women don't want to put up with that. (I know I wouldn't.) https://verilymag.com/2017/07/causes-of-divorce-effects-of-watching-pornography

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Have to ma'am. Fiction and myth are all you know.

That and you scoffed at the four forefathers of western civilization to talk about some shit artists which did little of ACTUAL substance with their life.

tbh I'm glad the dudes dead. apparently all he did was push brushes onto a canvas, covid should have taken him out earlier.

Fun fact.

My first scholarship was for art. I turned down the scholarship because art school is a waste of time. The scholarship was for a contest, which I submitted a still-life of a homeless little girl, done in watercolor. Was about 2 weeks of painting total.

You are basically me when I was 12, right before I got into the sciences heavy.

Maybe you are why the origin of the world 'girl' is that it means CHILD.

You would probably kill to have the amount of talent and intelligence I have :P I'm sure you won't agree, but it doesn't matter. You are a no-one online and don't have to power to erase who I am and what I have done.

I'm one of the lucky few who got both sides of his brain in full force.

but do. Go worship some artists some more to piss your, tell you what I'll rename him, virgin rapist 'god' off.

Great Christian woman you are.

*Slow clap*

Now go on, lock step, give me your hateful rebuttal to continue me making a point out of you and your false moralities and shit dogma.

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Edit: I had posted something else, but upon further reflection it seems like this discussion went from snark and fun and games to you going over the bend. Some of the things you wrote just don't seem to be coming from a mentally healthy place. (I'm not talking about your insults towards me, which are the same old same old, but specifically the denigrating comments about art and in particular this recently departed artist.)

I just don't get what prompted you to write that. Seriously. Wow.

I'm done now, I think, since this has become really weird.

Edit2, I'm copying and pasting your whole post for context. Holy cow.

Have to ma'am. Fiction and myth are all you know.That and you scoffed at the four forefathers of western civilization to talk about some shit artists which did little of ACTUAL substance with their life.tbh I'm glad the dudes dead. apparently all he did was push brushes onto a canvas, covid should have taken him out earlier.Fun fact.My first scholarship was for art. I turned down the scholarship because art school is a waste of time. The scholarship was for a contest, which I submitted a still-life of a homeless little girl, done in watercolor. Was about 2 weeks of painting total.You are basically me when I was 12, right before I got into the sciences heavy.Maybe you are why the origin of the world 'girl' is that it means CHILD.You would probably kill to have the amount of talent and intelligence I have :P I'm sure you won't agree, but it doesn't matter. You are a no-one online and don't have to power to erase who I am and what I have done.I'm one of the lucky few who got both sides of his brain in full force.but do. Go worship some artists some more to piss your, tell you what I'll rename him, virgin rapist 'god' off.Great Christian woman you are.*Slow clap*Now go on, lock step, give me your hateful rebuttal to continue me making a point out of you and your false moralities and shit dogma.

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Oh was I too obvious there with what I did with you there at the end?

My bad.

Here is a bit of your pre-edit text from my email for sake of context about how ill YOU are mentally, showing your lack of education in art as well.

Watch what I did here.

"Was about 2 weeks of painting total. That's an awfully long time to do a single painting. Especially if you aren't having to wait for the paint to dry, like in oils. Newbies talk about how "long it ..."

Well for what is 'your life', you seem to not know shit.

2 weeks for a painting that won a scholarship is a rather short period of time. Watercolor is also one of the most difficult mediums to master. It was realism, not abstract, and I was working a 40 hour a week job at a bowling alley while attending high school at the time. I was also in numerous school clubs. Debate, academic, and art club to name the most time demanding. I was also an active member of Demolay, and an active member of the Church, which I typically attended twice a week. Once being youth ministry. I also played in a band on the weekends, and was a bright flight student, being a college sophomore before I had exited said high school. I had very little 'free time'.

Oh did I mention I was homeless at the age of 14? I was. At first I bounced from house to house where I could, eventually sleeping in a cemetery. If I was lucky I could get a ride after work to where I slept, otherwise it was about an hours walk to where I could finally pass out for the night.

Well I suppose you could ask yourself why I was painting a homeless girl. Instead of wondering what inspired a high school student to approach such a serious tone with such a difficult medium, you scoffed.

In doing so you showed yourself.

Now pay attention, I hope you learn something here.

"Now go on, lock step, give me your hateful rebuttal to continue me making a point out of you and your false moralities and shit dogma."

\^ I'm guessing this statement I made, CAREFULLY placed at the end, is what made you think to go back and edit it, not thinking I would have a copy of part of your hateful rebuttal in my email.

Probably started typing your initial response before having full read what I had to say. I don't even have the full response and you can see the hateful disdain for what is supposed to be what you consider, 'your life'.

This was indicated to me by how you frequently use the reply button to go line by line through my reply, as well as the quickness of your replies. You weren't thinking. You weren't conversating. You had no time to waste with thoughtfulness.

Attempting to pick it apart before you understood the entirety of the message, line by line. Which I realize you aren't aware, but you did a poor job of, showing your ignorance frequently. Booing over me not buying into your studies, while simultaneously ignoring my studies from the same site... oh how did you put it... 'government study'.

You don't think first. You are what God in your holy book calls a FOOL.

Proverbs 18:13 "Spouting off before listening to the facts is both shameful and foolish."

Check. Mate.

Dance puppet.

Dance.

At this point I cede all further argument having shown you for what you are.

Two-face, biggoted, uninformed, holier-than-thou, believer of myth and fantasy that discards real world information to make her feel better so she can feel that she has 'won' an argument. Unable to reason on your own subjects in which you claim to have based your life, and seeking to judge others foolishly. Going against every rule in your own faith to stomp someone down. Hypocrite.

A coward that feels the need to delete the evidence to hide it. No one tell you we are all allowed to make mistakes? And that LEARNING from them is what improves us at people? You are not allowing yourself that process.

I'm an award winning artist. Chances are, given different circumstances, we probably would have found that we have a lot of common ground.

That said, I call no man master, but you do. Child of 'God'. I have no false idols. You called a mortal man master more than once in just this conversation.

I love Salvidor Dali, but the dude was a nut that played with poop. Did you really even know who this guy you called master was? Or you just proclaim him as a master because the article you posted does?

I turned my back on religious nuts like you because you merely use your church and beliefs as a scape goat. A church you believe people do 'less wrong' against all statistic knowledge, so you yourself feel you can get away with your hypocrisy, idol worshiper.

Fake ass god for fake ass people. Amen.

Now tell me. Lesson learned?

Here is me.

I draw, paint, sculpt, in several mediums. I play guitar, clarinet, saxophone, sing. I engineer, draft on Fusion360, revvit, solidworks. do 3d art in Blender, 3dStudio Max, going back to TrueSpace in the early 2000s. I create digital art in the adobe suite. I have programmed in 22 languages now, which I started age 12. Designed webpages you likely have been at without even knowing. I have gone through DiffyQ in math, comp 220 in English, and am very well read an educated. I shook the President Obama's hand in 2013 when I was awarded excellence in service, having worked on government systems.

I accomplished more by age 30 than you likely will accomplish in your life, and I did it from homeless beginnings. And you think you can drag me down? HAH.

Yet you sat here and pretended like I was a porn addicted gamer who couldn't accomplish anything to make yourself feel better about having lost an argument.

Good job. If I could accomplish half this while watching porn and playing games I would have to be your fictional God.

But really, who cares about me.

You need to allow yourself to be wrong so you can learn and move to better things. I cannot do that for you, and I can do a lot of great things. Only you can allow yourself to learn from your mistakes.

Good luck with life. Genuinely hope you have learned something, perhaps something other than the hatred you've put so clearly on display.

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Just saving this for context again.

I can tell you don't "see" what I'm getting at in your current mental state, but damn.

Oh was I too obvious there with what I did with you there at the end?My bad.Here is a bit of your pre-edit text from my email for sake of context about how ill YOU are mentally, showing your lack of education in art as well.Watch what I did here."Was about 2 weeks of painting total. That's an awfully long time to do a single painting. Especially if you aren't having to wait for the paint to dry, like in oils. Newbies talk about how "long it ..."Well for what is 'your life', you seem to not know shit.2 weeks for a painting that won a scholarship is a rather short period of time. Watercolor is also one of the most difficult mediums to master. It was realism, not abstract, and I was working a 40 hour a week job at a bowling alley while attending high school at the time. I was also in numerous school clubs. Debate, academic, and art club to name the most time demanding. I was also an active member of Demolay, and an active member of the Church, which I typically attended twice a week. Once being youth ministry. I also played in a band on the weekends, and was a bright flight student, being a college sophomore before I had exited said high school. I had very little 'free time'.Oh did I mention I was homeless at the age of 14? I was. At first I bounced from house to house where I could, eventually sleeping in a cemetery. If I was lucky I could get a ride after work to where I slept, otherwise it was about an hours walk to where I could finally pass out for the night.Well I suppose you could ask yourself why I was painting a homeless girl. Instead of wondering what inspired a high school student to approach such a serious tone with such a difficult medium, you scoffed.In doing so you showed yourself.Now pay attention, I hope you learn something here."Now go on, lock step, give me your hateful rebuttal to continue me making a point out of you and your false moralities and shit dogma."\^ I'm guessing this statement I made, CAREFULLY placed at the end, is what made you think to go back and edit it, not thinking I would have a copy of part of your hateful rebuttal in my email.Probably started typing your initial response before having full read what I had to say. I don't even have the full response and you can see the hateful disdain for what is supposed to be what you consider, 'your life'.This was indicated to me by how you frequently use the reply button to go line by line through my reply, as well as the quickness of your replies. You weren't thinking. You weren't conversating. You had no time to waste with thoughtfulness.Attempting to pick it apart before you understood the entirety of the message, line by line. Which I realize you aren't aware, but you did a poor job of, showing your ignorance frequently. Booing over me not buying into your studies, while simultaneously ignoring my studies from the same site... oh how did you put it... 'government study'.You don't think first. You are what God in your holy book calls a FOOL.Proverbs 18:13 "Spouting off before listening to the facts is both shameful and foolish."Check. Mate.Dance puppet.Dance.At this point I cede all further argument having shown you for what you are.Two-face, biggoted, uninformed, holier-than-thou, believer of myth and fantasy that discards real world information to make her feel better so she can feel that she has 'won' an argument. Unable to reason on your own subjects in which you claim to have based your life, and seeking to judge others foolishly. Going against every rule in your own faith to stomp someone down. Hypocrite.A coward that feels the need to delete the evidence to hide it. No one tell you we are all allowed to make mistakes? And that LEARNING from them is what improves us at people? You are not allowing yourself that process.I'm an award winning artist. Chances are, given different circumstances, we probably would have found that we have a lot of common ground.That said, I call no man master, but you do. Child of 'God'. I have no false idols. You called a mortal man master more than once in just this conversation.I love Salvidor Dali, but the dude was a nut that played with poop. Did you really even know who this guy you called master was? Or you just proclaim him as a master because the article you posted does?I turned my back on religious nuts like you because you merely use your church and beliefs as a scape goat. A church you believe people do 'less wrong' against all statistic knowledge, so you yourself feel you can get away with your hypocrisy, idol worshiper.Fake ass god for fake ass people. Amen.Now tell me. Lesson learned?Here is me.I draw, paint, sculpt, in several mediums. I play guitar, clarinet, saxophone, sing. I engineer, draft on Fusion360, revvit, solidworks. do 3d art in Blender, 3dStudio Max, going back to TrueSpace in the early 2000s. I create digital art in the adobe suite. I have programmed in 22 languages now, which I started age 12. Designed webpages you likely have been at without even knowing. I have gone through DiffyQ in math, comp 220 in English, and am very well read an educated. I shook the President Obama's hand in 2013 when I was awarded excellence in service, having worked on government systems.I accomplished more by age 30 than you likely will accomplish in your life, and I did it from homeless beginnings. And you think you can drag me down? HAH.Yet you sat here and pretended like I was a porn addicted gamer who couldn't accomplish anything to make yourself feel better about having lost an argument.Good job. If I could accomplish half this while watching porn and playing games I would have to be your fictional God.But really, who cares about me.You need to allow yourself to be wrong so you can learn and move to better things. I cannot do that for you, and I can do a lot of great things. Only you can allow yourself to learn from your mistakes.Good luck with life. Genuinely hope you have learned something, perhaps something other than the hatred you've put so clearly on display.

[–]Shan_Miller1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It looks better with formatting.

Oh was I too obvious there with what I did with you there at the end?

My bad.

Here is a bit of your pre-edit text from my email for sake of context about how ill YOU are mentally, showing your lack of education in art as well.

Watch what I did here.

"Was about 2 weeks of painting total. That's an awfully long time to do a single painting. Especially if you aren't having to wait for the paint to dry, like in oils. Newbies talk about how "long it ..."

Well for what is 'your life', you seem to not know shit.

2 weeks for a painting that won a scholarship is a rather short period of time. Watercolor is also one of the most difficult mediums to master. It was realism, not abstract, and I was working a 40 hour a week job at a bowling alley while attending high school at the time. I was also in numerous school clubs. Debate, academic, and art club to name the most time demanding. I was also an active member of Demolay, and an active member of the Church, which I typically attended twice a week. Once being youth ministry. I also played in a band on the weekends, and was a bright flight student, being a college sophomore before I had exited said high school. I had very little 'free time'.

Oh did I mention I was homeless at the age of 14? I was. At first I bounced from house to house where I could, eventually sleeping in a cemetery. If I was lucky I could get a ride after work to where I slept, otherwise it was about an hours walk to where I could finally pass out for the night.

Well I suppose you could ask yourself why I was painting a homeless girl. Instead of wondering what inspired a high school student to approach such a serious tone with such a difficult medium, you scoffed.

In doing so you showed yourself.

Now pay attention, I hope you learn something here.

"Now go on, lock step, give me your hateful rebuttal to continue me making a point out of you and your false moralities and shit dogma."

\^ I'm guessing this statement I made, CAREFULLY placed at the end, is what made you think to go back and edit it, not thinking I would have a copy of part of your hateful rebuttal in my email.

Probably started typing your initial response before having full read what I had to say. I don't even have the full response and you can see the hateful disdain for what is supposed to be what you consider, 'your life'.

This was indicated to me by how you frequently use the reply button to go line by line through my reply, as well as the quickness of your replies. You weren't thinking. You weren't conversating. You had no time to waste with thoughtfulness.

Attempting to pick it apart before you understood the entirety of the message, line by line. Which I realize you aren't aware, but you did a poor job of, showing your ignorance frequently. Booing over me not buying into your studies, while simultaneously ignoring my studies from the same site... oh how did you put it... 'government study'.

You don't think first. You are what God in your holy book calls a FOOL.

Proverbs 18:13 "Spouting off before listening to the facts is both shameful and foolish."

Check. Mate.

Dance puppet.

Dance.

At this point I cede all further argument having shown you for what you are.

Two-face, biggoted, uninformed, holier-than-thou, believer of myth and fantasy that discards real world information to make her feel better so she can feel that she has 'won' an argument. Unable to reason on your own subjects in which you claim to have based your life, and seeking to judge others foolishly. Going against every rule in your own faith to stomp someone down. Hypocrite.

A coward that feels the need to delete the evidence to hide it. No one tell you we are all allowed to make mistakes? And that LEARNING from them is what improves us at people? You are not allowing yourself that process.

I'm an award winning artist. Chances are, given different circumstances, we probably would have found that we have a lot of common ground.

That said, I call no man master, but you do. Child of 'God'. I have no false idols. You called a mortal man master more than once in just this conversation.

I love Salvidor Dali, but the dude was a nut that played with poop. Did you really even know who this guy you called master was? Or you just proclaim him as a master because the article you posted does?

I turned my back on religious nuts like you because you merely use your church and beliefs as a scape goat. A church you believe people do 'less wrong' against all statistic knowledge, so you yourself feel you can get away with your hypocrisy, idol worshiper.

Fake ass god for fake ass people. Amen.

Now tell me. Lesson learned?

Here is me.

I draw, paint, sculpt, in several mediums. I play guitar, clarinet, saxophone, sing. I engineer, draft on Fusion360, revvit, solidworks. do 3d art in Blender, 3dStudio Max, going back to TrueSpace in the early 2000s. I create digital art in the adobe suite. I have programmed in 22 languages now, which I started age 12. Designed webpages you likely have been at without even knowing. I have gone through DiffyQ in math, comp 220 in English, and am very well read an educated. I shook the President Obama's hand in 2013 when I was awarded excellence in service, having worked on government systems.

I accomplished more by age 30 than you likely will accomplish in your life, and I did it from homeless beginnings. And you think you can drag me down? HAH.

Yet you sat here and pretended like I was a porn addicted gamer who couldn't accomplish anything to make yourself feel better about having lost an argument.

Good job. If I could accomplish half this while watching porn and playing games I would have to be your fictional God.

But really, who cares about me.

You need to allow yourself to be wrong so you can learn and move to better things. I cannot do that for you, and I can do a lot of great things. Only you can allow yourself to learn from your mistakes.

Good luck with life. Genuinely hope you have learned something, perhaps something other than the hatred you've put so clearly on display.

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Oh was I too obvious there with what I did with you there at the end?

My bad.

Here is a bit of your pre-edit text from my email for sake of context about how ill YOU are mentally, showing your lack of education in art as well.

Watch what I did here.

"Was about 2 weeks of painting total. That's an awfully long time to do a single painting. Especially if you aren't having to wait for the paint to dry, like in oils. Newbies talk about how "long it ..."

Well for what is 'your life', you seem to not know shit.

2 weeks for a painting that won a scholarship is a rather short period of time. Watercolor is also one of the most difficult mediums to master. It was realism, not abstract, and I was working a 40 hour a week job at a bowling alley while attending high school at the time. I was also in numerous school clubs. Debate, academic, and art club to name the most time demanding. I was also an active member of Demolay, and an active member of the Church, which I typically attended twice a week. Once being youth ministry. I also played in a band on the weekends, and was a bright flight student, being a college sophomore before I had exited said high school. I had very little 'free time'.

Oh did I mention I was homeless at the age of 14? I was. At first I bounced from house to house where I could, eventually sleeping in a cemetery. If I was lucky I could get a ride after work to where I slept, otherwise it was about an hours walk to where I could finally pass out for the night.

Well I suppose you could ask yourself why I was painting a homeless girl. Instead of wondering what inspired a high school student to approach such a serious tone with such a difficult medium, you scoffed.

In doing so you showed yourself.

Now pay attention, I hope you learn something here.

"Now go on, lock step, give me your hateful rebuttal to continue me making a point out of you and your false moralities and shit dogma."

\^ I'm guessing this statement I made, CAREFULLY placed at the end, is what made you think to go back and edit it, not thinking I would have a copy of part of your hateful rebuttal in my email.

Probably started typing your initial response before having full read what I had to say. I don't even have the full response and you can see the hateful disdain for what is supposed to be what you consider, 'your life'.

This was indicated to me by how you frequently use the reply button to go line by line through my reply, as well as the quickness of your replies. You weren't thinking. You weren't conversating. You had no time to waste with thoughtfulness.

Attempting to pick it apart before you understood the entirety of the message, line by line. Which I realize you aren't aware, but you did a poor job of, showing your ignorance frequently. Booing over me not buying into your studies, while simultaneously ignoring my studies from the same site... oh how did you put it... 'government study'.

You don't think first. You are what God in your holy book calls a FOOL.

Proverbs 18:13 "Spouting off before listening to the facts is both shameful and foolish."

Check. Mate.

Dance puppet.

Dance.

At this point I cede all further argument having shown you for what you are.

Two-face, biggoted, uninformed, holier-than-thou, believer of myth and fantasy that discards real world information to make her feel better so she can feel that she has 'won' an argument. Unable to reason on your own subjects in which you claim to have based your life, and seeking to judge others foolishly. Going against every rule in your own faith to stomp someone down. Hypocrite.

A coward that feels the need to delete the evidence to hide it. No one tell you we are all allowed to make mistakes? And that LEARNING from them is what improves us at people? You are not allowing yourself that process.

I'm an award winning artist. Chances are, given different circumstances, we probably would have found that we have a lot of common ground.

That said, I call no man master, but you do. Child of 'God'. I have no false idols. You called a mortal man master more than once in just this conversation.

I love Salvidor Dali, but the dude was a nut that played with poop. Did you really even know who this guy you called master was? Or you just proclaim him as a master because the article you posted does?

I turned my back on religious nuts like you because you merely use your church and beliefs as a scape goat. A church you believe people do 'less wrong' against all statistic knowledge, so you yourself feel you can get away with your hypocrisy, idol worshiper.

Fake ass god for fake ass people. Amen.

Now tell me. Lesson learned?

Here is me.

I draw, paint, sculpt, in several mediums. I play guitar, clarinet, saxophone, sing. I engineer, draft on Fusion360, revvit, solidworks. do 3d art in Blender, 3dStudio Max, going back to TrueSpace in the early 2000s. I create digital art in the adobe suite. I have programmed in 22 languages now, which I started age 12. Designed webpages you likely have been at without even knowing. I have gone through DiffyQ in math, comp 220 in English, and am very well read an educated. I shook the President Obama's hand in 2013 when I was awarded excellence in service, having worked on government systems.

I accomplished more by age 30 than you likely will accomplish in your life, and I did it from homeless beginnings. And you think you can drag me down? HAH.

Yet you sat here and pretended like I was a porn addicted gamer who couldn't accomplish anything to make yourself feel better about having lost an argument.

Good job. If I could accomplish half this while watching porn and playing games I would have to be your fictional God.

But really, who cares about me.

You need to allow yourself to be wrong so you can learn and move to better things. I cannot do that for you, and I can do a lot of great things. Only you can allow yourself to learn from your mistakes.

Good luck with life. Genuinely hope you have learned something, perhaps something other than the hatred you've put so clearly on display.

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LOL, you reject The Atantic but you think IFS is free of bias? You reject my source and I reject yours.

The fact men use porn as an escape

LOL, you think that's what's going on here? Do ten-year-old boys who start watching porn doing so to "escape" women? LOL. Porn is a HUGE problem, the elephant in the room, and some people don't want to address it. You think women should put up with a porn-addicted man with erectile dysfunction? Why are younger men suffering erectile dysfunction? Since porn is ubiquitous and children are sometimes exposed to it at a younger age, I seriously doubt that porn is a reaction to women refusing to give some men the sex they feel they are so richly entitled to (LOL). The odds are that the porn addiction came before these young men had that much experience with real, live women in the first place.

But if men prefer to "escape" in porn, they are free to do it, that's their business. But they can't simultaneously expect that women will tolerate their addicted, impotent selves.

Women don't like that sex can't be used to extort us as well anymore.

LOL, is that what you think is going on? I have always objected to porn on moral grounds due to my religious background, but for a long time, I just figured that it was a thing that was common in regular society and didn't think much of it. I expected that the men in my church wouldn't indulge in it, but held no such expectations for other men.

Then I started learning about how it destroys relationships and causes the aforementioned impotence. Now I see that it is a huge problem for society, no matter whether you're conservative and religious or liberal and non-religious or anything in between. I mean I think we all can agree that young men being impotent is not a good thing.

But you go on defending porn, be my guest. Impotence, oh my gosh, lol.

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[–]rogeliana 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (47 children) | Copy Link

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324068

That link is about masturbation, not porn.

The same site says there's a link between porn and impotence:

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/317117#:~:text=The%20use%20of%20pornography%20might,nerves%20require%20more%20physical%20stimulation.

Someone else linked to IFS (which blames women having more sexual partners on rising divorce rates) and you aren't wanting to debunk that, just the atlantic link I posted.

Also, religion is for weak people who need people to tell them how to be spiritual. That is you.

LOL. Oh, I'm so wounded by your disapproval of my faith.

It's funny that some men want a woman with very little sexual history, (and often that kind of woman comes from a conservative, religious background). These two things often go hand-in-hand. I am glad that most religious families will warn their daughters to stay far, far, FAR away from impotent porn addicts.

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You just want to delude yourself that there is no problem. But there is. Of course there will be some people who will try to deny it, like I'm sure tobacco companies tried to deny the connection between cigarettes and cancer for a long time. Yet here we are.

https://time.com/magazine/us/4277492/april-11th-2016-vol-187-no-13-u-s/

"Whitlock, the former sex educator, says she has been surprised by how reluctant her erstwhile colleagues are to speak up about porn. She believes that because sex educators were fighting a negative image of sex for so long during the years of abstinence-only education, they’re allergic to anything that questions sexual appetites. She has found that even asking students to reflect on what their watching habits are doing to their mental health is met with pushback."

Women don't want to put up with porn-addicted, impotent men. That's on the men, not the women.

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[–]rogeliana1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

LOL. Time Magazine isn't good enough for you?

You're just desperate to deny it.

I've got no skin in this game, as I used to just shrug my shoulders, thinking that porn was "normal" for the "rest of the world." It wasn't my concern because my potential dating pool is mostly limited to church people, so why should I care?

But now after hearing about all the problems men are having with it, I'm like WOW. I understand that this is not comfortable to most men who like to indulge in porn, but it is what it is.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5039517/

Traditional factors that once explained men’s sexual difficulties appear insufficient to account for the sharp rise in erectile dysfunction, delayed ejaculation, decreased sexual satisfaction, and diminished libido during partnered sex in men under 40. This review (1) considers data from multiple domains, e.g., clinical, biological (addiction/urology), psychological (sexual conditioning), sociological; and (2) presents a series of clinical reports, all with the aim of proposing a possible direction for future research of this phenomenon. Alterations to the brain's motivational system are explored as a possible etiology underlying pornography-related sexual dysfunctions.

Clinical reports suggest that terminating Internet pornography use is sometimes sufficient to reverse negative effects, underscoring the need for extensive investigation using methodologies that have subjects remove the variable of Internet pornography use.

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So, Time Magazine, a government medical study, and some medical sites aren't good enough? LOL, you're just in denial.

https://www.everydayhealth.com/erectile-dysfunction/pornography-habit-is-linked-to-erectile-dysfunction-research-suggests/

Or can we call it good and agree that porn benefits men by removing a womans ability to control their sexuality in a relationship?

Or how about these men buy a sex doll? That would sure show those uppity women up, wouldn't it? LOL. Men who think watching porn or having sex with a doll are worthy alternatives are more than welcome to it. Women are much better off without them in their dating pool. Since these men are more likely to be impotent anyway, it's not like women are missing much.

Maybe stop being so focused on your need to control men?

How is pointing out the risk of impotence trying to "control" men? They can do what they want. They just don't get to expect their wives or girlfriends to stay with them when they're addicted to porn.

[–]Shan_Miller1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Every source you've posted agrees with me. The best you've done so far is show there is a link to temporary erectile problems from masturbation to porn. Temporary. This new link uses a self reported survey. You seem to really be struggling. I'm sorry.

How about you go back to NCBI and find a nice peer reviewed article. You know like the one that agreed with me, and that the affect on men is only temporary, and as soon as they stop the dysfunction ceases.

Yes, I would put a sex doll above most women. So would most men. Most men don't want you endlessly nagging them, in fact, studies show most men prefer silence. Imagine that. A vagina that doesn't extort you for pleasure is preferable.

I can tell from your argumentative nature and disbelief in evidence right in front of your face that you are probably a nagger. No way I would be in a relationship with you anyways.

Sorry that probably offends you. I don't care. You have unrealistic views of the world and believe this world was made by a flying sky-wizard. Your opinion means little.

Here is a slew of links that google gives you first thing when you actually look it up. https://www.healthline.com/health/erectile-dysfunction/can-masturbation-cause-erectile-dysfunction

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324068

https://edtreatment.info/what-guys-need-to-know-about-masturbation/

Notice the repeated use of the word myth? You might ignore that because you believe in myths by nature, being a religious person that needs to be told myths to make sense of the world.

[–]rogeliana1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The best you've done so far is show there is a link to temporary erectile problems from masturbation to porn.

No, it's not masturbation alone. Highlighting the government study:

This review also considers evidence that Internet pornography’s unique properties (limitless novelty, potential for easy escalation to more extreme material, video format, etc.) may be potent enough to condition sexual arousal to aspects of Internet pornography use that do not readily transition to real-life partners, such that sex with desired partners may not register as meeting expectations and arousal declines.

That means that the extreme stuff men see in porn "do not readily transition to real-life partners." Translation: Not every woman wants to be choked, spit on, or endure other extreme acts that are common in porn. And he's no longer satisfied with what she is willing to do in bed, because he sees so, so much more with porn.

Also, he has to want to stop watching porn. For many men, it's an "addiction" which means he won't stop.

So guess what? She divorces his impotent, addicted self. Which he richly deserves.

Yes, I would put a sex doll above most women.

Not surprising. Because a sex doll is just a vagina, and not a real person. So you can replace a person for an entity. Which shows how you view women. Which is exactly why women are better off without men who see sex dolls as a preferable alternative.

So I guess everyone is happy, then? Women are much happier without impotent, porn-addicted men in their lives. And men can happily have sex with dolls and watch porn. Win-win!

Sorry that probably offends you. I don't care.

You're so, so desperate to offend me. But I've learned a long time ago that I need to look up to a person and respect their views in order to be offended by what they say about me.

[–]Shan_Miller1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I get you are sheltered, but most porn doesn't contain that shit. I could care less if you are offended. I simply don't think much of you.

TBH I just find it hilarious that you ignore the hundreds of doctors and studies that contradict your viewpoint, and cling to something that is commonly known as a myth. Then again, you've based your spirituality on myth so it is absolutely no surprise.

Science > your feelings and anecdotal evidence.

Also, studies on happiness show that women are more depressed than ever. Men, not so much. Less than half as likely to suffer depression than women.

Keep in mind this includes men that see the terrors of war, have to clean your sewers, and put up with paying women who use their chlld care payments on make-up and drugs.

So this is also contrary to your earlier point, that this is all 'on men'. Men built a world which celebrated women, women called it the patriarchy, tore it down, and now men are benefitting from it. Now it is a problem. Funny that.

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I'm not trying to offend you at all, you are just offended easily, which is why you feel that way.

LOL no, I am referencing what you said before:

Sorry that probably offends you. I don't care.

You know exactly what you're trying to do and you broadcast that earlier. Now you're trying to gaslight me and pretend that this isn't your intent. I'm not buying it. And, as I told you before, I need to respect someone in order to be offended by them, lol.

Having boring sex with a woman that doesn't understand that is more toxic to a relationship than porn is.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/mar/11/young-men-porn-induced-erectile-dysfunction

Lone viewers of pornography become accustomed to being fully in control of their sexual experience – which again, says Faulkner, “isn’t replicated in the real world”. Being faced with a real, complicated human being, with needs and insecurities, could be deeply off-putting.

Furthermore, I don't buy your claim that porn doesn't contain some extreme stuff.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55333403

https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-51391981

There's a continuing problem with sex trafficking victims and underage girls being in porn that is regularly available online.

https://nbc-2.com/news/2021/01/12/heres-how-your-porn-habit-could-be-helping-human-sex-traffickers/

[–]Shan_Miller1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Gave up completely huh? BBC and 'theguardian'.

LOL

Trash sources for trash people.

I like how your NBC article is source-less as well, A angry woman making baseless claims about an organization that is constantly under scrutiny at the threat of prison time.

I'm aware of two people in porn who made the mistake of releasing film of an underage girl, both did prison time. One of which was even given a fake ID by the underage girl, and still did prison time.

So tell me, who is this girl, and how did pornhub get away with it?

Baseless claim from an incompetent journalist who is angry about porn. I'm unconvinced.

Here, enjoy another 'government study' *sic*

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4498826/

Which claims the reverse of what you are saying is true. This one actually uses hard data and controls.

Notice the PhD next to the names in my study?

AND THE LACK of that in yours?

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[–]Shan_Miller1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No, BBC, NBC, and magazines are not scientific sources. ESP when they do not site scientists or studies, which is what is lacking in all of your 'evidence'. SCIENCE.
I'm not desperate at all, I believe what I believe. Science. You believe what you believe, flying sky-wizards and news broadcasters.
NCBI isn't a government site, and, my NCBI study was authored by PhD's, yours was authored by idiots.
The medical site you posted supported my view. In fact, they support my view on all 3 of the links I could find related to the topic (on their site). You were just too lazy to read all the way to the bottom before you copy-pasta'd it.

Too bad.

So sad.

But do, continue to believe newcasters and flying sky-wizards.

I'll continue to believe science and peer review from PhD's and scientists, not from news sources or flying sky-wizards.

I'm not desperate to change any of that. Someone here seems desperate to change other peoples opinions. TBH, I am just fine at laughing my ass off at you for yours.

Please do, continue to be a moron.
Morons are among the most entertaining thing on the planet.

[–]rogeliana1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

NCBI isn't a government site, and, my NCBI study was authored by PhD's, yours was authored by idiots.

It's on a government domain. .gov.

NCBI isn't a government site, and, my NCBI study was authored by PhD's, yours was authored by idiots.

My goodness, you're becoming unhinged. Now you are shifting goalposts and insisting that only PhDs can be right? LOL.

Where's your proof that my cite (on a government site) is written by "idiots"? Scientific proof, please, since you're so bent on that. And please provide proof that no person with a PhD is capable of being an "idiot," since you've decided that only the opinions of PhDs "count" now.

Wow, desperation time. Wow.

I'll continue to believe science and peer review from PhD's and scientists, not from news sources or flying sky-wizards.

Oh my gosh, so hilarious, trying twice in just a few sentences to ruffle my feathers my mentioning "sky-wizards." You're trying too hard, my dear. Remember? I have to respect someone first in order to be offended.

Wow, you're really invested in porn not being crap, even though so many sources show that it is. I guess you really love it. Which is fine. You do you, boo.

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[–]rogeliana1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I get this is confusing for you. Like the rest of reality is.

Wow, you are so butthurt. By the news that porn is commonly thought to be toxic? (And it is, it is.) LOL.

And yes, PhD's doing scientific studies are definitely good sources.

Where's the proof? That non-PhD is worthless and that PhD is always worth something? You offer no proof.

The study I cite is written primarily by medical doctors (one who incidentally also has a PhD), but you want to leave the impression that they "have no background in science"? Doctors cannot write studies about conditions such as addiction, mental health, and erectile dysfunction? Only PhDs can? You are so full of it.

This woman has a PhD but most of the world is not taking her seriously. This guy also has a PhD (I checked) but same old, same old.

I wonder what goalpost you'll shift next.

[–]Shan_Miller1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

No need to shift any goalposts.

My NCBI study was done by PhD's. Yours was not.

In debate, and I get you are new to this, credibility of sources is everything.

You can find evidence for anything on the internet. But the Alex Jones isn't exactly a good reference, is he? Flat Earthers tend not to be credible.

Also, that womans PhD is highly criticized, but she does raise some valid points. Yeadon understands very well the concept of flora exposure, and isn't as much an anti-vaxxer as much as he is a very well informed scientist who is arguing the opposing viewpoint to the commonly accepted one, as well as critiquing the industry for rushing the vaccine trials. Valid points from people who spent a great deal of time researching.

I can only imagine you are pointing to anti-vaxxers because you aren't finding much material online that supports your opinion, and a whole fuck-ton that does indeed support mine.

A simple google search turns up evidence in my favor by the boatloads. You are purposefully ignoring it and clinging to a few very biased news reports and a single study done by idiots.

You are a very sad person and I have nothing but pity for you, truly.

How about you just let this go, and try to have yourself a nice week, rather than subjecting yourself to more scrutiny from someone who has dropped several studies on your lap you probably didn't even read. (because as you have proven, you are lazy, biased, and believe in myths).

[–]rogeliana1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

My NCBI study was done by PhD's. Yours was not.

In debate, and I get you are new to this, credibility of sources is everything.

NCBI has criteria that need to be fulfilled in order for a document to be published there. The articles need to be peer-reviewed, etc. You are disingenuous when you try to paint the article I pointed to as being written by "idiots." LOL, but it passed muster with the NCBI and the journal where it was originally published:

Behavioral Sciences is an international, peer-reviewed, open access journal of psychology, neuroscience, cognitive science, behavioral biology and behavioral genetics published monthly online by MDPI.

You're pathetic. I'm done with you. I never respected your opinion before, because you were so obviously full of it, but you're really pulling out all the stops.

Articles written by medical doctors in peer-reviewed medical journals are not "credible"? And you pull a pretext out of your behind that because these doctors don't have PhDs (except one does) that they are "idiots"? You never offer any "proof" that anything less than a PhD shouldn't be believed. Because there is no proof. If anything less than a PhD wasn't credible, no non-PhD would be allowed to publish in peer-reviewed medical journals. Yet here we are.

Intellectually dishonest and lazy is what you are. Article after article I post, you pooh-pooh them all. Which is fine, you know why? Because I never thought you had any credibility anyway, and you're repeatedly confirming this.

[–]Shan_Miller1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I was done with you a while ago.

Here is a checklist.

Does she believe in flying sky-wizards? Yes, big check.

Does she believe in a myth about porn causing impotency? Yes, big check, regardless of being shown several sources that show otherwise. Even on her own 'peer reviewed' site.

Does she continuously project her own issues, I.E, desperate to change opinions? Yes, big check. She wants to change my opinion, I think she is just funny trash.

Did she call this a government study several times? Yes, big check.

Was this just a .gov website? Big check.

Will she also ignore this link, on that same 'peer reviewed' site about how peer review is worthless? Yes, she probably will

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1533518/

Is she trash? Yes, big check. She calls people intellectually dishonest while being severely intellectually dishonest herself. That is what is called projection issues.

Did she just admit to her own confirmation bias? Big yup there too. Which also confirms she was the one desperate to change opinions. Hers is apparently perfection to her.

Congratulations on being why men would prefer porn. Who the fuck would ever put up with your incessant degradation while you continually believe in myth despite overwhelming evidence.

As I said earlier, move on, try to enjoy your week. Take heart in knowing your flying sky wizard will absolve you of all your bad doing so you can continue being a horrible person with 'good intentions'. I will take heart knowing you are a trashcan of bad ideas.

[–]rogeliana1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You continually try to call a peer-reviewed medical study written by medical doctors (but oh no! They don't have PhDs! Except one does) as nothing, and written by "idiots" because it doesn't agree with your agenda. You have zero credibility. You won't back down from the "But it's not written by PhDs" trope. You're done.

Will she also ignore this link, on that same 'peer reviewed' site about how peer review is worthless?

That means your article is "worthless" too. Except, oh wait, it's written by PhDs...so that magically makes it legit. Thinks no other reasonable person. How bizarre you are.

Congratulations on being why men would prefer porn.

LOL, you really don't get it. Is this supposed to be something that would upset me? It doesn't, because men who really prefer porn and sex dolls should stick with them and leave women alone. Any woman such men get involved with will likely end up divorcing him in the long run anyway, so this just saves everyone some grief. I do feel terrible for the sex trafficking victims who end up involved in porn, though.

This whole conversation started because I was giving one of several reasons why women initiate divorce. Porn is one big reason. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/08/divorce-rates-double-when-people-start-watching-porn (LOL, I know you'll pooh-pooh this article from a science magazine, because that's how you are, but here it is anyway.)

So if you love porn and don't want to be subjected to divorce, just don't ever marry and stick with your porn. Any future woman in your life will thank you.

[–]Shan_Miller1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Here is a checklist.

Does she believe in flying sky-wizards? Yes, big check.

Does she believe in a myth about porn causing impotency? Yes, big check, regardless of being shown several sources that show otherwise. Even on her own 'peer reviewed' site.

Does she continuously project her own issues, I.E, desperate to change opinions? Yes, big check. She wants to change my opinion. I could care less about hers.

Did she call a .gov a government study several times? Yes, big check.

Was this just a .gov website? Big check. Studies are independently done, under poor scrutiny as outlined by the same website.

Will she also ignore this link, on that same 'peer reviewed' site about how peer review is worthless? Yes, she probably will

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1533518/

Is she trash? Yes, big check. She calls people intellectually dishonest while being severely intellectually dishonest herself. That is what is called projection issues.

Did she just admit to her own confirmation bias? Big yup there too. Which also confirms she was the one desperate to change opinions. Hers is apparently perfection to her.

Congratulations on being why men would prefer porn. Who the fuck would ever put up with your incessant degradation while you continually believe in myth despite overwhelming evidence.

As I said earlier, move on, try to enjoy your week. Take heart in knowing your flying sky wizard will absolve you of all your bad doing so you can continue being a horrible person with 'good intentions'. I will take heart knowing you are a trashcan of bad ideas.

[–]rogeliana1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]Shan_Miller1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm told my stuttering is a sign of intelligence.

" non-Christians divorce at a rate of 38 percent, Born-again Christians 33 percent, atheists 30 percent and Catholics at 28 percent, according to a recent survey of 3,792 participants. "

The only religious group that divorces less than atheists is Catholics.

You catholic?

So I guess the underlying fact here is religious people feel like their shit doesn't stink, all the while it smells worse.

But what do I know.

I grew up in youth ministry. Was a youth minister. Dated a Buddhist for 13 years, eventually practicing Buddhism Sokogokai. And then went on a long term spiritual quest to understand the origin of religions.

Like for instance, the religious story of Jesus returning on a white horse for an epic apocalypse battle is shared with Enki of Sumerian lore, and Khalki of Hindu Vedas texts.

Almost the exact same story. Written thousands of years before Jesus even existed.

You probably assume a lot about me.

I can assure you most of those assumptions are wrong.

[–]rogeliana1 point 5 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I clearly said that one doesn't have to be religious to have marital harmony (remember where I just wrote that?). I also said that the common denominator is being a decent person. Did you even digest that little nugget?

My takeaway from this is: Men who are decent people have a higher chance of having devoted, doting, loyal, adoring wives. Clearly, many men in my church are like that and aren't blathering on about the virtues of porn because the women are so unbearable to deal with, lol.

I grew up in youth ministry. Was a youth minister. Dated a Buddhist for 13 years, eventually practicing Buddhism Sokogokai. And then went on a long term spiritual quest to understand the origin of religions.

Like for instance, the religious story of Jesus returning on a white horse for an epic apocalypse battle is shared with Enki of Sumerian lore, and Khalki of Hindu Vedas texts.

I never thought about your background and wasn't curious. Why you felt the need to type all of that out, I have no idea. I never made any assumptions about you personally, other than you are here bitching about women, lol.

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The fallacy you are operating on here assumes porn makes someone 'not a decent person'.

We all have hormones, by your reasoning, we are all not decent people. But I get that is the sentiment of your brainwashing in church as well, we are all sinners after all.

Sorry, I'm not bitching about women at all. I get you are easily confused so I should probably be forthright about that. I just have no need to contract myself to them in any way. Nor do I give in easily to a woman who obviously is also having hormone issues, telling me that hormones make people bad people. I get you probably won't connect the dots here either. Its okay. I just refuse to spell things out for people of low intelligence.

And sure, you said you don't need to be religious to have harmony. And were also talking about how divorce doesn't happen as much in your church.

Which i just showed you is more bullshit.

You are drenched in bullshit. :D

Good luck with that.

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The fallacy you are operating on here assumes porn makes someone 'not a decent person'.

Please quote the post where I said all consumers of porn are not decent people. They can be bad people, but people are complicated and nuanced. However, porn-addled brains tend to trigger divorce (along with other issues) and studies bear this out. (Which you will promptly ignore and wave away, obviously, because reasons!)

Sorry, I'm not bitching about women at all.

LOL. Sure buddy, sure...

And sure, you said you don't need to be religious to have harmony. And were also talking about how divorce doesn't happen as much in your church.

Which i just showed you is more bullshit.

What? Where did you show that human decency is bad for marriages? And where did you prove that my church doesn't have a low percentage of divorce?

Are you claiming that bad people have happier marriages? Why is such a comment (about how being a decent person will more likely cause your marriage to be happy) so triggering to you? Is that so controversial?

There are some bad people in my church and every other church. But there are some common denominators in my church which I believe cause the marriages to be happier and last longer. Being raised to be more thoughtful, loyal, loving, attentive, selfless, in anyone, would be conducive to a higher percentage of happy marriages. I would think that is obvious. Well, except for you. To you, this is an insult and controversial? LOL.

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Your church is full of people with less functional marriages than even atheist's.

Go ahead and tell me the name of MY church and show me the statistics of MY specific church and prove to me that my church is "full of people" with less functional marriages. Tell me which church I belong to and then give me the stats.

You don't know my church, but you just know you can prove this? You can read minds, is that it?

And no, I'm not going to tell you the name of my church. It's small and regional and there's no way I'm giving that info away here. And no, I don't care if you don't believe me (you don't believe doctors in medical journals—you only demand PhDs who share your delusions). You won't believe me, but you cannot prove I'm wrong.

And yet you're crowing like you just did. More delusion.

And you still think you can rustle my jimmies by bringing up the flying skywizard? Don't you have any more colorful hyperbole than that? Come on, be creative for crying out loud. It won't make any difference to me, but at least you could attempt to be amusing with some creativity.

But no. Damn, you take your smut soooo seriously, lol.

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Lol blame the guy, right.

In the narrative you favor, it's always blaming the woman, LOL.

Of course there are going to be times when the woman is to blame, and other times when that man is to blame. But just because she initiates the divorce, it doesn't mean it's her fault. If he's cheating or abusing her, he may not want her to leave, but her leaving isn't unreasonable, is it?

However, if women have more to lose financially in a divorce, and I see no proof that these women have another sugar daddy lined up (because if they did, they wouldn't be as financially strapped, would they?), then they really must want to leave. Which makes me wonder why (and point to the above-mentioned abuse or cheating as the reason).

https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/men-v-women-who-does-better-in-a-divorce

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Almost every story I hear (from friends, friends of friends) is that they divorce, he quits his good-paying job to avoid paying childcare or otherwise doesn't pay child support, and she struggles to make ends meet.

Clearly, there are also anecdotal stories that show the opposite—that she was cheating all the time and takes him to the cleaners. Or, the court is grossly unfair and demands he give some outrageously high amount of his earnings for child support and/or alimony. I don't doubt that's a real thing. But the single mom with a deadbeat dad who doesn't support his kids at all is also a very common story. I personally know of several women who lived this and no, they weren't lying.

The articles I've seen (and there are many) point out that in many cases, the reason she makes less after a divorce is that she was primary caregiver of the children during the marriage and took a lower-paying job (or a job with fewer demands/advancement opportunities) in order to be more available for the kids. Husband is the higher earner (because he doesn't have to take time off to care for the kids). When she's by herself, she is still earning less, often while still taking more time for childcare, often devoting more time with the kids than him. He still has his higher-earning job, he's not responsible for the kids as much (often) and, if all other things being equal, he's simply making more money.

Sometimes child support is sufficient to help her make ends meet, sometimes it's not.

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Yes, I've heard stories where the court has a crazy bias towards mothers, and sometimes it can be like pulling teeth to pry custody away from an abusive mother, just because "she's the mother." I don't know all the details of this poor child's story, but clearly, her son should have NEVER been in her custody: https://abc7.com/anthony-avalos-child-abuse-torture-lancaster-case/10600503/

But I've also heard antecdotal stories from divorce lawyers (some lawyers who are sympathetic towards fathers) that unfortunately a lot of dads like the "freedom" of not having the kids all the time, and don't fight too hard to get 50/50 custody. (We only need to look at subs like AITA to see the there are plenty of lazy fathers who by default prefer the moms to do most of the childcare. Of course, there are also plenty of horrible moms mentioned in AITA, so there you are.)

But this is by no means universal and these same divorce lawyers also point out that no one gender is really "worse" in general when it comes to divorce. There are bad moms and bad dads, and the percentages are more or less evenly split. Feminists will have us believe that most dads are lazy, indifferent fathers, and manosphere types will have us believe that most moms are greedy gold diggers soaking up that sweet child support money and living high. Neither is true, IMO.

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I'm a female, and this does not match my experience at all - to the extent that I'm surprised that this is "a thing." I'm trying to go back through my memory, and I'm fairly certain that I've never had an acquaintance that holds the opinion that promiscuous men are preferable. If the topic comes up, guys who are known players are spoken negatively about. An example is a scenario where, say, two friends are having a drink somewhere, one of them says a certain guy is hot, her friend says something like "ya, but he's a player," and the first woman says something like "Oh/ew, fuck that/gross/etc." We warn each other about shit like that all the time. This is not to say that no women are attracted to promiscuous men, because I'm sure plenty are, but that goes against everything I've lived through.

I'm saying this because it speaks to a bigger issue - guys being shamed for being less sexually experienced. Whereas I've heard a million comments about who's a player and who to avoid, I've never heard a woman complain because a guy was a virgin in my company. I've heard plenty of women say that a guy didn't know what the hell he was doing, but that isn't specific to virgins. I hope that helps a bit. Shaming guys for not having had sex is ridiculous and hypocritical.

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I've witnessed women rejecting fuckboys for being fuckboys, and I know I certainly will do that, and the men are all shocked Pikachu faced that they might be rejected for their sexual history lol. The audacity and entitlement...

I'm from a sheltered church environment where both women and men don't fuck around. I read sometimes that men who want a "nice" girl should go to a church (like my church) to find a wife. I find that repulsive. Nice church girls are much better off marrying nice church boys who have been raised with the same values as they (the girls) have. Not some entitled fuckboy who has "sowed his wild oats" and now wants a woman who hasn't sowed as many oats as he has. Begone, fuckboy. Stay in your own lane and leave the "nice" girls alone.

I cannot stomach the hypocrisy of men judging women for their "numbers" while the men's own numbers are shamefully high (or they would be if the men had the opportunity). Disgusting.

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[+]Lyynt -6 points-5 points-4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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Women aren't objects, and thus it's wrong to measure their value by how objects gets measured. Of course value is very subjective, but it's really just not comparable, or I suppose, more like comparing apples and oranges. Apples are not oranges. Objects are not human beings, and their value should be measured for what they are, not for what they're not?

Like a shoe will get worn out if used by a bunch of different people for long enough, and thus loses its value as it becomes unusable of unwearable. Humans on the other hand don't become unusable or worn out by having lots of sex with different partners, and thus don't lose their value in the same way an object does. Whoever thinks women lose their value due to sex or a long sexual history needs to go to r/badwomansatonomy for a reality check.

However, people still value different things, as values are subjective, and it's perfectly fine to not have sexual promiscuity on your list of values in a woman, but just cause that's not what you value in a woman for instance, doesn't mean they're inherently invaluable as women or human beings, or invaluable to other people. They still have inherent value in just being a human being whetter you yourself value them or not.

There's a ton of people I've never met in my entire life that I don't care about for instance, and they hold no value to me, but that doesn't mean they aren't valuable as human beings or to other people.

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Title	Based
Author	Ayahuasca__
Upvotes	612
Comments	315
Date	May 9, 2021 12:32 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/AntiFeminists
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/antifeminists/comments/n8dbw8/based/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/AntiFeminists/based.755872 https://theredarchive.com/post/755872

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