Challenging the "Red Pill" Notion: The Diverse Spectrum of Womens

oldcousingreg · 2024-01-10T12:45:21+00:00

Uh… why is this post phrased like a wildlife nature documentary voiceover

Grouchy_Toe2404 · 2024-01-10T12:19:07+00:00

In other words, attraction depends on the two people's personalities. How shocking.

Also, categories like alpha or beta, at least the way RP describes it, simply don't exist.

Royal_Celebration422 · 2024-01-10T13:00:09+00:00

may sound groundbreaking but just as guys have different preferences women also do. only way to know if someone likes something is ask.

Allusionator · 2024-01-10T13:34:24+00:00

Earned confidence and social skills are a pretty good way to attract most people, regardless of gender. Unearned confidence and social aggression only attract a minority. Overall the traits that attract the broadest group of people are of course not RP nonsense but just actual charisma/good humor/kindness/comfort with yourself. RP is about making you hate yourself and projecting false confidence/aggression, it works on a minority of mostly young women who haven’t had experiences with such men and don’t know they suck yet or were raised by such a man as their father and think this is all that there is available to them.

RP is so weird, fixated on the meeting stage and searching for a certain woman who will be wowed by your nonsense rather than the actual help men need which is reflecting on what women who are already somewhat attracted to you would appreciate which isn’t all that different from what anybody would appreciate.

idiosyncrassy · 2024-01-10T15:26:49+00:00

New topic: why should men be talked about and treated as if they are people with individual feelings and thoughts? Evidence clearly proves otherwise.

leandrot · 2024-01-10T12:19:36+00:00

This expand to other areas aswell. Their description of "nature" is based on the assumption the patriarchal polygamous society with private property is the only valid one and was built mutually by men and women. Both assumptions are false.

It's also telling how the above description doesn't fit our western society as we are mostly monogamous. But mentioning the hypothesis that men are also monogamous and want a single woman for their entire lives is met with "but I know no men like this". Strange how this logic only applies to them....

lilycamilly · 2024-01-10T13:00:29+00:00

Yes. Women are all unique individuals. So are men. Why is this so hard for people to understand????????

ElleinadSpam · 2024-01-10T16:03:17+00:00

…Are you asking if women are going to be attracted to people they have common values with??

MechanicHopeful4096 · 2024-01-10T20:56:47+00:00

Can we please stop talking about women in a way that sounds like a science experiment?

Yes, not all women are the same. It’s that simple.

cummingouttamycage · 2024-01-10T21:06:30+00:00

What you're describing isn't a "spectrum", it's categories and boxes, featuring borderline cartoonish archetypes. Men are either "alphas", which comes with masculine traits and rude behavior, or they're "betas", where they're less masculine and polite. And women are either "likes sports and luxury travel, and are fine with alpha behavior" OR are "introverted and romantic, with hobbies, who feel mistreated". That's not how it works.

There are plenty of men who have all the superficial traits that RP describes as "alpha" -- physically attractive, successful, a lot of friends/social connections -- who are pleasant and likable, who find the red pill to be cringe and loserish (most well socialized people of any gender would). They'd be disgusted by other men who follow RP and want nothing to do with them. Meanwhile, there are plenty of men who have the superficial traits that RP describes as "beta" -- minimal friendships/social connections, nerdier interests, etc. -- who follow RP beliefs and show (what they think) is "Alpha" aka "asshole" behavior. And of course, there's people with views/traits/behaviors all over the map, cherry picked from either of these. Attractive, well liked guys with a more sensitive side or nerdier interests. Middle of the road average dude with backwards "alpha" beliefs. Whatever.

Same goes for the women. Plenty of introverts love luxury travel. Maybe they hate sports. Maybe the extrovert is a romantic with hobbies. Maybe she likes all the luxury things and sports and is an extrovert and successful and thinks anyone who behaves the "alpha" way is a weirdo who they want nothing to do with. Maybe she's shy, quiet, and conservative, with hobbies and aspires to be a homemaker, and wants a more traditional guy.

Humans are complex. The best way to really know who someone is is to get to know them, beyond judging a book by its cover, or assuming their beliefs and values based on their interests.

Astral_Atheist · 2024-01-11T00:00:37+00:00

There is no such thing as an alpha human

floracalendula · 2024-01-10T12:10:10+00:00

I'm the second woman, and although I consider myself sapphic with rare exceptions, those exceptions are all as far from being alpha men as you can get.

shawninpa · 2024-01-10T13:45:35+00:00

Well I'll kindly agree to disagree. It's 100% how Wolf packs, and gorillas work

lordDandas · 2024-01-10T12:23:39+00:00

You know, women often want a man to be able to be dangerous but they want to be on his good side. I can imagine an introverted shy girl to be attracted to a dangerous alpha as long as she's not on the recieving end of his anger. That's at least how I understand it.

mylorules · 2024-01-10T14:23:39+00:00

In answer to whether the second woman would be overridden by her 'inner nature' to be attracted to the 'rude alpha male': probably, no. Maybe some would. It's hard to digest this question as someone who views women as complex individuals much the same way men are. Every woman would feel differently about a rude alpha male. Sure, there would be things in common but each experience would be unique. So you can't really make a reliable prediction for a given individual unless you know them well enough.

Re 'oneitis', I think a lot of people (men and women) experience getting stuck on the one person. A mentally healthy person is most likely able to move on eventually.

Re 'characteristics of a woman who can love in another way' I am not even sure what this question means.

Birthday_Personal · 2024-01-11T02:43:05+00:00

Facts are facts though, dating app data definitely shows that 90% of women are swiping right on 10% of men. So female nature is female nature

Title	Challenging the "Red Pill" Notion: The Diverse Spectrum of Womens
Author	crepuscopoli
Upvotes	1
Comments	43
Date	January 10, 2024 11:55 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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