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[–]gouttroutFDS Newbie181 points182 points183 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Ya know, I was talking about Beauty and the Beast the other day. The beast only turned into a prince because some chick saw past his ugliness. What did the beast do? Nothing besides kidnap a pretty girl and hold her hostage until she developed stockholm syndrome. He didn't kidnap an ugly one, either. Why was it ok for him to be shallow, but not her?
[–]KittyHiFiveFDS Newbie49 points50 points51 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Agreed, it seems to be one of the worst stories claiming female strength but it’s not. At least the Disney version, he was a literal beast in more ways than one but she went for it. Iirc, the original is much the same sick story.
Hmm
[–]FewButterscotch6FDS Newbie8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The version in the tv show Once is much much worse. It's basically a bright young woman who falls for a geriatric jerk who spends years and years abusing and gaslighting her by taking advantage of her naive belief that he can change if she just loves him hard enough. It's a more unambiguous example of Stockholm Syndrome than the Disney version, with a little victim-blaming as it's heavily implied that at least one of Belle's primary motivations for sticking it out with the Beast is his exorbitant wealth.
[–]greatcathyFDS Newbie21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ha!
[–]ivy176FDS Disciple19 points20 points21 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most of these stories turned into Disney movies are about the woman either desperately needing a man and her life depending on it, or falling in love with an abuser/kidnapper
[–]LionorasFDS Newbie8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean, it depends which story we're talking about.
If we talk the original 1740 story of Villeneuve -I agree, that beast is pretty shitty. Like, sure, it gives her a life of luxury (after her father pretty much sold her in attempts to survive) and both are intellectual equals, but damn -that doesn't mean it's allowed to pester the girl to sleep with it everyday! Seriously, what the hell? And it's not better by the idea of it slowly dying when the girl is away. Sure, it has an "I can't live without her" tone, but it also gives an "narc bf says you can't break up because he would kill himself -so stay" vibe.
In the Disney version however, it's way better.
Sure, the Beast was not a "prove prince" at the beginning. He was turned as a bratty child/teen and regarding his spineless (reg. him) servants, it's therefore understandable why he has very shitty manners and questionable social skills.
However, that's the thing: compared to his rival Gaston, the Beast is a character who has HVM traits in him, but needs to learn how to act on them properly, while his human counterpart is a LVM in a HVM shell. It's why the love story between Belle & him doesn't immediately take off.
First, he doesn't force Belle to stay -she exchanges herself willingly for her father. The beast tells her she can go anywhere she wants, but when he acts rude af ("asking" her to have dinner with her) she responds by not taking his shit. That leads to the discovery of the rose and Belle fleeing after the Beast gets angry about her nearly... well... killing him (rose is bound to his life).
The beast feels guilt over his actions and saves Belle from a pack of wolfs. Belle could run away, but instead she saves the Beasts life by bringing back to the castle. There she still doesn't take his shit, but she's nicer to him, because he saved her.
It's the turning point for the relationship in the story. The Beast is still awkward, but tries to change his ways & make it up to Belle. He makes efforts in learning to read, show kindness, engage in manners and engages with Belle as a person, by f.ex showing her the library after he learns of her love for books
In the end, the Beast learns the idea of sacrifice & even lets Gaston go (though that jackass betrayed him for that).
It's not "a chick saw past his ugliness". It's the beast that shows that his outer appearance doesn't reflect his personality by bringing out the best in himself,aka leveling up
[–]FDSxMuffinVSratFDS Newbie317 points318 points319 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Well Cinderella was basically a slave and abused by her family. Marrying a lot of guys is a step up compared to abuse.
But yeah that story is very accurate in its portrayal of some people's marriage. Women have had to depend on men economically for centuries.
Not needing men means you can be pickier and only accept what you want.
[–]Hipster-AuroraFDS Newbie156 points157 points158 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I'm wondering if the OP/tweeter has even seen/read the story? She is pretty famous for being an abuse victim. Making it out on your own is ideal but obviously that was never an option for a good majority of women throughout history. I wonder if people like this even took a history class.
And that lady is literally saying living in a freezing attic while your hateful family keeps you in virtual slavery is somehow better than having to never worry about your financial needs ever again as queen.
[–]SunflowerinVirgo0903FDS Apprentice43 points44 points45 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I cry everytime I see that movie because the abuse she went through.
[–]FewButterscotch6FDS Newbie5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I saw an analysis on YT that pointed out just how distressing one of the abuse scenes in the Disney movie really is. It always made me sad as a kid and seeing a breakdown of exactly why it's so disturbing was really eye-opening. It's the scene where the stepmother gets the stepsisters to literally tear her mother's dress from her body, while she stands back and smirks.
[–]peachpy54FDS Apprentice60 points61 points62 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Honestly, financial independence is essentially the #1 most important defense against bad dudes. It's about optionality. If you're staying with a guy even partially for lifestyle maintenance, then you're basically just a prostitute w/ one john instead of dozens. Which is better, but by how much?
[–]ivy176FDS Disciple9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, #2 in terms of financially avoiding abuse is not to let a guy sponge off you if you have financial independence. Carried my ex husband financially for many many years.
[–]FewButterscotch6FDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep, they'll bleed you dry then just move on to the next host body. Learning to be "stingy" is a huge part of leveling up for some of us.
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[–]crypytotoadsFDS Newbie0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It always has been.
[–]VioletRomanticFDS Newbie92 points93 points94 points 6 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I'm in the middle of designing this massive original Cinderella ballgown. Every time I rewatch any of the movies I cant help but make snarky comments to my cats about what a dumb fuck the prince is. But its true. Ive had so many fucking men come up to me in costume and just fawn over me, only to have exactly ZERO clue who I am outside of being dressed up.
[–]throwawaywahwahwahFDS Newbie46 points47 points48 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I’ve been rewatching all the Disney movies from my childhood and I got so frustrated at the codependent relationship between Belle and the Beast. My models for romance in the media during my childhood were apparently super messed up and I had no idea.
[–]VioletRomanticFDS Newbie42 points43 points44 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As an adult I am so mad at how relationships were portrayed to me growing up. No wonder I spent an entire decade as a huge pickme. But my god I just want to make all the pretty princess dresses for myself. Fuck having a prince charming, I just want to be draped in satin and rhinestones.
[–]BabaAuRhumOhlalaFDS Newbie12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I was annoyed by all the romances and I just wanted to see girls doing stuff without having a romantic interest. The only guy who I think is ok for now is Tarzan, but the emories of the movie are a bit fuzzy.
[–]FewButterscotch6FDS Newbie6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I watched Tarzan again recently on Disney Plus and hated, hated, hated the ending. Jane got such a raw deal. She's gonna spend the rest of her life on a tiny island with a smelly, dirty caveman and a bunch of animals only he can communicate with. So, she's got no one to talk to but him, and all of her dreams of being a scholar are just done now, as there aren't any books in the jungle. And all of this because he refused to leave his 'friends' behind and go join the civilized world with her. And her own dad condoned this nightmare because "love"? Nope. Miss me with that epic self-sacrifice for absolutely no gain worth having.
[–]BabaAuRhumOhlalaFDS Newbie3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I forgot the ending and you bringing it up made me realize what a horrible destiny Jane had. No doctors on a deserted island, either. And that reminds me how Ariel sacrificed everything as well to be a teen mom.
[–]thaiteabbysFDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I heard Disney portrayed Tarazan in a different light than the actual story. That’s what I remembered from my college history class. I haven’t read the actual story of Tarazan (not the Disney version). But he was apparently not as good of a guy as Disney made him seem. Disney definitely romanizes a lot of things that shouldn’t be romanized or seen as okay.
[–]Delicious-ScholarFDS Newbie25 points26 points27 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I refuse to watch BatB anymore. It’s such a sick story thinking of how her dad bartered her to a literal animal. As an adult woman, Disney princess movies are so problematic. I can’t think too deeply about the plots, or else I get all crabby.
[–]throwawaywahwahwahFDS Newbie27 points28 points29 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The worst part about the plot is that some old witch cursed an 11 year old boy for being a little snotty brat. (Math: “she put a curse on him until his 21st year” and Lumiere’s “10 years we’ve been rusting”)
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I just can’t even with this plot. Smh.
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[–]persnickety-fuckface0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Anyway we can see this costume plz?
[–]VioletRomanticFDS Newbie1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe when its finished! Right now its just 10 layers of petticoat and skirts. Im drowning in organza.
[–]ceramicunicornFDS Disciple31 points32 points33 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It was the only option she had at the time to level up 🤷♀️ But, he seemed like a nice man and also, he likely died first.
Yeah, he seemed nice but dumb and easy on the eyes. That's pretty much the best a girl could hope for living in Cinderella's era and in her shoes.
[–]BlackCatCzFDS Newbie6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
He didnt recognize her because Fairy Godmother put a spell on her so she couldn't be recognized. Back at home she was being abused so asking her to stay there is appalling. The prince wasn't even her main motivation. She just wanted to attend the ball and happened to fall in love.
[–]saffron25Pickmeisha™️34 points35 points36 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She was a bird. Lol she really stayed to cook and clean for those uggo bitches in her own FATHERS HOME??? I don’t know why she didn’t poison them
[–]SayNadFDS Apprentice4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thinking back I am glad my early childhood cartoons were Tom & Jerry and Power Rangers... And after a while I get into Sailormoon, Beyblade and Detective Conan. At least I learned to have varied interest rather than stuck on the "where is my prince charming" mindset so early.
[–]ms_monquisFDS Disciple13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'll just go on record now as saying I hate all those Princessy movies, largely for these sorts of reasons.
[–]penelopekittyFDS STRATEGY COACH21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They are vile. It is a massive psy op to keep women an underclass.
[–]ms_monquisFDS Disciple7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get ‘em young.
[–]flowers4uFDS Newbie18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cinderella and Snow White would’ve been a good pair ❤️
[–]natalieev2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually.... Godmother made her look like a different person entirely, so the step mother wouldn't recognize her. Thats why he had to use the slipper.
[–]boganelf2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I dont know.... i like corny fairytale endings. There is nothing wrong with a couture one of a kind heel made out of glass, what an idea!
[–]MakeURegretFDS Newbie13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And I wonder where I got my pickme tendencies from lol
[–]whatislife2298FDS Newbie-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes! Thank youuuuu!!!
[–]drumstickkkkvanil0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She needed to get tf outta that house tho and if marrying a prince was her way out then that’s fine with me lol
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