Notice any items missing in the list?

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2020-05-14T14:26:17+00:00

I'm surprised the list contained actual issues and wasn't just toxic masculinity and not being good allies.

The-Author · 2020-05-14T14:23:15+00:00

I'd, personally, like to add lack of reproductive rights (legal paternal surrender) and lack of paternity leave in a lot of countries.

themolestedsliver · 2020-05-14T16:30:19+00:00

Took me less than a second to find someone trying to victim blame men for these issues....you really can't make this shit up

Not the person you were asking, but men are actually less likely to suffer from depression than women. Men are more likely to die from suicide than women because men are more likely to choose more violent methods (e.g. guns) while women are more likely to choose methods that allow them to look good in a casket (e.g. pills).

Yes it is healthy to split hairs about depression as if we know everything about the condition and let's circle jerk the myth about suicide methods to undermine male victims.....but at least they have a biased study from 2 decades ago to back them up?

Also, I suspect men are lonely because many are unable to have close relationships with other men, choosing instead to rely solely on women for emotional support, perhaps taking a toll on married women.

Post literally about issues facing men and people STILL find a way to make it about women.....and people still think mens lib is about mens rights.....

Alataire · 2020-05-14T15:28:33+00:00

One of the largest problems I see that men face is that they are seen as perpetual perpetrators. Men are always seen as in control of their actions and perpetrators, while women are easily seen as frail or victims. This whole mindset is how men from poor backgrounds with nowhere to go get locked up after they are driven to crime and then demonised and laughed at. The school-to-prison pipeline in the USA speaks volumes for this. Or the cry by some in the UK to stop sentencing women to jail, even though they already receive shorter jail sentences for the same crime.

A lot of people I talk to don't even seem to consider that men can be victims, while having a perpetual "women are victims of society" mindset and this translates in a lack of support. This also ties in to the whole idea that #AllMen are privileged, and the whole "one cannot be sexist to men".

Oncefa2 · 2020-05-14T14:46:46+00:00

Some of the posters seem pretty reasonable. Like u/Nath43673 pointing out that men's mental health / suicide rate might be caused by some of the other problems on the list, not because men are inherently less stable or more "toxic".

I wonder how long some of those comments will be left up though, and how many people will be banned for wrongthink.

Jakeybaby125 · 2020-05-14T14:22:37+00:00

Here's one: a feminist movement that'll constantly put you down and tell you that you don't matter and tell you to stop taking away from women and they'll say you don't need mens rights as feminism has you covered.

Colombian-mra · 2020-05-14T15:49:49+00:00

oh my god

"Women attempt suicide more often but men die more often cause guns are legal in the u.s"

Menslib users are not known for possessing a brain

Blauwpetje · 2020-05-14T16:16:15+00:00

I'd make 6 more specific and add: like of intimacy/sexuality and demonization of male sexuality. Either that or make it a point by itself.

SchalaZeal01 · 2020-05-14T19:38:22+00:00

Oh look Lily in the comments on Menslib, saying we're all evil conspiracy theorists. The irony. I'm not believing in patriarchy here.

GaborFrame · 2020-05-14T19:54:45+00:00

Well, what if there is a political movement which tells you that the power and privilege that your gender gives you are the reason for literally every evil in this world? Could that maybe harm men?

Blauwpetje · 2020-05-14T16:21:08+00:00

I must say, for men's lib this list isn't bad. Almost surprised they don't remove it.

fcsquad · 2020-05-15T03:34:55+00:00

The absence of circumcision on the list jumped out to me immediately, though it is treated relatively respectfully in the comments over there. (Surprised I'm the first to mention it in this thread, tho.)

The other issue I'd add is … well, it's so big it probably underlies a lot of the other issues on the list, so I'm not sure what the best label is. I guess I'll settle for male peripheralization. This is the notion that unless and until you establish yourself on a middle (or better) position on the male dominance hierarchy, it's OK for both men and women to treat you as a "loser." And often, even men in the middle and upper tiers of the male dominance hierarchy are expected to take subordinate roles domestically, i.e. babies and children are considered to be the province of women by default, who then grant permission to men to enter that realm. Coupled with this would be the expectation of male dominance/high social status from women in dating, and the stress that can create in average men.

czerdec · 2020-05-14T14:18:54+00:00

I have a couple of dangerous fascist identitarian movements pretending to be leftist campaigns to add to the list of problems.

thereslcjg2000 · 2020-05-14T15:11:17+00:00

Generally a good list.

SonnBaz · 2020-05-15T19:07:13+00:00

Feminists.

Notice any items missing in the list?

Crosspost "What does everyone consider to be the biggest problems facing men’s health and men’s rights at the moment?" from /r/MensLib:

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Title	Notice any items missing in the list?
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Date	May 14, 2020 2:17 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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