Another racist idiot screaming about the MRM - this time from the Boston Magazine

Neuromancer4242 · 2012-03-26T17:39:42+00:00

I like Travis's reply to Barry Nolan(in case he deletes it):

Travis says: March 26, 2012 at 1:30 pm I don’t know why you and other keep trying to silence us men of color who are part of the Men’s Rights Movement. I am a black man who has been working with many MRAs, none of who hate women. You are being very racist towards non-whites Mr. Nolan, by pretending we don’t exist in the MRM. Slavery ended over 150 years aog, stop pretending to speak for us! And in case you didn’t know:

Unsheltered Homeless (2009) Women – 20,000 – 6% Men – 220,000 – 94%

Life Expectancy (2006) Women – 80.8 Years Men – 75.7 Years

Suicides (2008) Women – 7,585 – 19% Men – 28,450 – 81%

Deaths by Homicide (2004) Women – 3,856 – 20% Men – 14,717 – 80%

Deaths from Cancer (2004) Women – 269,819 Men – 290,069

Deaths from HIV/AIDS (2004) Women – 3,357 Men – 8,756

Federal Funds for Sex Specific Cancer Research Women – Breast Cancer – $631,000,000 – 40,000 Deaths Men – Prostate Cancer – $300,000,000 – 33,000 Deaths

Deaths on the Job (2010) Women – 355 – 7% Men – 4,192 – 93%

Injuries on the Job (2007) Women – 36% Men – 64%

College Enrollment (2009) Women – 58% – 11,658,000 Men – 42% – 8,770,000

Affirmative Action Education Programs (Gender Specific) Women – Yes Men – No

Unemployment Rates (2010) Women – 8.6% – 6,199,000 Men – 10.5% – 8,626,000

Average Hours Worked Per Week (2010) Women – 36.1 Men – 40.2

High School Graduation Rates (2005) Women – 72% Men – 65%

Incarceration Rates (2009) Women – 114,979 – 7% Men – 1,502,490 – 93%

Child Custody Rates Women – 11,268,000 custodial mothers Men – 2,907,000 custodial fathers

US Military Deaths From 1950 – 2010 Women – 139 – 0.01% Men – 100,063 – 99.9%

Federally Funded Battered Shelters Women – 2,000+ $300,000,000 per year Men – None – $0

Federally Funded Health Offices and Research 1970 – Present (not including cancer research) Women Only – Office, Projects and Programs 70+ – Funds – $100,000,000,000 Men Only – None – $0

Forced Selective Service Women – No Men – Yes

Drug and Alcohol Addiction and Abuse Rates (2010) Women – 5.8% Men – 12.2%

You may have it real good Mr. Nolan, but a lot of us don’t. Good day sir.

Maybe Barry Nolan's bosses would like to know how much of a racist idiot he is being.

Celda · 2012-03-26T17:56:12+00:00

This author is truly an idiot.

It's very telling he says this:

And if I ever become deranged and suddenly start to kill all of the people who annoy me on Facebook with a potato peeler, I have the comfort of knowing I will stand a lower chance of being executed for my crimes just because I am white.

In light of the fact that women are less likely to be convicted, and if convicted, given lesser sentences for the same crime as men (after controlling for other factors such as prior record).

http://www.terry.uga.edu/~mustard/sentencing.pdf

Then of course, he makes more false claims such as how the vast majority of domestic violence victims are women and the vast majority of perpetrators are men. That couldn't be more false:

http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

In other words, the author has not made a single valid point.

zuesk134 · 2012-03-26T18:17:25+00:00

And now the dude is vicitm blaming prisoners who get raped. WTF is wrong with this man???

ruizscar · 2012-03-26T17:54:05+00:00

I have been a white male all my life and to tell you the truth, I have found it to be a pretty sweet deal. If you doubt me and would like to see a demonstration of just how sweet it is to be a white guy in modern day America – just come with me and stand in the visitor’s gallery of the U.S. Senate sometime when they are all gathered for a vote and look down upon that fleshy sea of men. Of the 100 members of the U.S. Senate, just 17 are women. And in the entire history of our country, only six African American have served in the Senate. White men rule.

Almost all powerful leaders are men, therefore almost all men must be leaders. Makes sense. Oh, and the race card. Gotta play that race card.

Of the Fortune 500 companies in 2011, just 12 of America’s biggest companies were run by women. And there are currently just eight African American CEOs. You guessed it: White men rule.

It goes on like this for some time, let's skip ahead.

Wherever you look and by almost any metric, any statistic, it works out to be a pretty sweet deal to start out life as a white male.

Any metric you say? Any statistic you say?

Have you checked suicide? Prison? Homelessness? Higher Education? Basic Education? Custody? Family Success? Life Expectancy? Violent Crime? Accidental Death and Injury?

No? You haven't? Of course not.

And if I ever become deranged and suddenly start to kill all of the people who annoy me on Facebook with a potato peeler, I have the comfort of knowing I will stand a lower chance of being executed for my crimes just because I am white.

Notice how he quietly drops the gender line, and continues with just race? Because you can't say that about being male. Men make up the vast majority of prisoners, and the vast majority of those on death row. Men are sentenced to harsher punishments than women even when you control for severity of the crime.

http://www.terry.uga.edu/~mustard/sentencing.pdf

http://digitalcommons.utep.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=gang_lee

It’s a mystery to me how they came to feel so beset on every side by feminists, minorities, and “the system.” When in fact, the system is so stacked in our favor, it’s almost embarrassing. It’s like our mothers set up the world for us. For white men, life is almost like T-ball. We are almost guaranteed to get on base. But lately, some of us seem to be having issues with self-esteem.

If men are having issues with self-esteem, maybe it has something to do with the way we are constantly put down and demonized just for being male? And mocked if we dare to complain about it?

So it’s especially strange to see white men like Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) and various “Men’s Rights” groups complaining bitterly about the re-authorization of the Violence Against Women Act, which may come up for a vote this week. Grassley and the far right don’t want to see it pass in its current form because it extends some of its protections to LGBT victims, Native American victims, and some illegal immigrants. Because of what? Because it should be OK to brutalize them?

It's called the violence against women act, therefore anyone who opposes it must be pro-violence. Makes sense. Let's not let reality get in the way of politics.

http://www.saveservices.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/SAVE-VAWA-Has-It-Delivered-on-Its-Promises-to-Women.pdf

This Special Report documents how the Violence Against Women Act—and the state level laws it has engendered—are ineffective in reducing abuse, may place women at greater risk of violence, make it difficult for real victims to get help, ignore the wishes of abused women, lull women into a false sense of security, ensnare women in a rigid law enforcement bureaucracy, neglect the needs of female aggressors, fail to provide needed services at abuse shelters, remove kids from their homes, and harm families and children.

http://www.saveservices.org/pdf/SAVE-VAWA-Discriminates-Against-Males.pdf

Most of the examples of discrimination documented in this Special Report occurred after 2000, the year that Senator Hatch directed that, “Executive branch agencies responsible for making grants under the Act, as amended, will continue to administer these programs so as to ensure that men who have been victimized by domestic violence and sexual assault will receive benefits and services under the Act.”

But equal treatment under the law does not yet exist within the purview of our nation’s domestic violence laws.

Not good for men, not good for women. It doesn't need to be this way.

Back to the article,

The passage of the bill has also been muddied by — well — mud. Stuff crazy people make up and throw out there to make it seem like it’s somehow a radical or controversial idea to try to stop people from beating up women. The Southern Poverty Law Center, which, among other things, tracks hate groups, has now started paying attention to some “Men’s Rights” groups that seem to just flat-out hate women. One of the things these groups like to do is generate baloney statistics about how men are the “real victims” of domestic violence.

Not the "real" victims. It's anti-male writers like you who claim there are "real" and "unreal" victims of violence. To us, they're just "victims". And there are almost 300 academic, peer reviewed, independent studies that show male victims exist in comparable numbers to female victims ("real" or otherwise).

http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

I know this sounds a little crazy. But just take a look on the web. Watch this YouTube clip from some guy who looks kind of normal and then he goes on about how feminism is a form of stealth genocide and how feminism and the courts have criminalized fatherhood. He claims that the system is ready to put most men in jail. But for people in the lower class who don’t really care — because they spend most of their time there anyway — so it’s like a second home to them. If this doesn’t seem crazy to you, I suggest you seek professional help.

This part is basically meaningless. "I disagree and thus they are crazy". Makes sense.

In a piece titled Men’s Rights Movement Spreads False Claims about Women the SPLC points out that a 2005 Department of Justice study also found that between 1998 and 2002, 84 percent of spousal abuse victims were female, as were 86 percent of victims of abuse at the hands of a dating partner. Males made up 83 percent of all spouse murderers and 75 percent of dating partner murderers. If you really really don’t want to get beat up, killed, or thrown in jail, my suggestion to you would be to become a white male

Again, men are more likely to be in prison than women, more likely to be beat up, more likely to be murdered, more likely to suffer violent crime of all kinds. So that just makes no sense. You actually believe that women are not only the primary victims of partner violence, but ALL violence? Where do you come up with this? Not from any study I've EVER seen, not from the FBI crime stats, not from ANYWHERE. Forget bending the truth, you are literally just making shit up at this point.

ThePigman · 2012-03-26T21:18:45+00:00

"White Men Rule"

What, have you bastards been holding out on me? Am i the only white man not in power? Apparently so.

he_cried_out_WTF · 2012-03-26T18:14:56+00:00

Isn't it a little bit obtuse to use the supreme court as a reference? Seeing as supreme court judges are elected for life, only so many people can get elected in 220 years. In fact, considering that 3 are justices as we speak, that should be testament to feminism working its magic.

2012-03-26T20:35:47+00:00

Too many logical fallacies to count in that tripe. Multiple strawmen, red herrings, false equivalence, begging the question, etc etc

DevinV · 2012-03-26T18:56:27+00:00

This guy is an idiot.. it's not white men who hold all of the power, it's the wealthy.. they just happen to be mostly white males.

Godspiral · 2012-03-26T23:51:15+00:00

I'm pretty sure most white males don't feel as though they can snap their fingers and get a senate seat or fortune 500 CEO job.

Alanna · 2012-03-27T11:14:50+00:00

What scares me is that if I had read this article a year ago, I probably would've believed it. It's crazy how much we assume is true because we're heard it over and over again. The facts tell a completely different narrative and it's a shame that presenting said facts can lead to being labeled a misogynist.

MartialWay · 2012-03-26T22:01:20+00:00

What a loathsome bigot.

But for people in the lower class who don’t really care — because they spend most of their time there anyway — so it’s like a second home to them.

Good god! Just because you're working class doesn't mean you have to be commmitting crimes - most working class people do just that - work.

2012-03-26T18:49:24+00:00

I know this sounds a little crazy. But just take a look on the web. Watch this YouTube clip from some guy who looks kind of normal and then he goes on about how feminism is a form of stealth genocide and how feminism and the courts have criminalized fatherhood. He claims that the system is ready to put most men in jail. But for people in the lower class who don’t really care — because they spend most of their time there anyway — so it’s like a second home to them. If this doesn’t seem crazy to you, I suggest you seek professional help.

Can someone force feed this dude the definition of gas-lighting?

Because I swear, this is what this article is.

Irrel_M · 2012-03-26T20:57:53+00:00

I just tune out whenever someone mentions race. The only ones who care about racism are racists themselves.

CTS777 · 2012-03-27T02:19:29+00:00

Wait Chuck Grassely is doing something positive?

Octagonecologyst · 2012-03-27T07:57:46+00:00

Ah yes, the modern day racist. Me personally, I like the KKK more. At least they kept their bullshit in their clubhouse (And I like the silly hats).

NiceGuysSTFU · 2012-03-26T20:24:10+00:00

Would someone care to explain to me how the author is racist?

2012-03-27T19:53:09+00:00

This guy is a motherfucking asshole. I'm perfectly willing to admit that racism exists- of course it does- and I'll even admit that sexism exists, though not to the same degree as racism. But it's one thing to acknowledge that, and quite another to make it all about that. Fuck him.

If this Barry asswipe wants to claim that his life has been "like T-ball", that's his goddamn perogative. Maybe it has. But said perogative pretty much ends there. Don't you dare talk condescendingly about "all white men" like some kind of heavenly representative, you smarmy cock. This dickhead doesn't know me. He has no idea what my life is like, or what I've been through, and personally, I would argue that he should shut his greasy lubed up spithole. Fuck him.

Title	Another racist idiot screaming about the MRM - this time from the Boston Magazine
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