How do we win?

Only2DaysLeft · 2019-08-10T12:34:41+00:00

There is no final solution, no ultimate win. Conflict is essential for growth.

attackfarce · 2019-08-10T14:53:13+00:00

A lowkey, all men don’t work day. We all take time off picking one day a year where no one shows up to work or at least tries to the best of their ability too. We’d see civilization collapse. But just for the day. Haha

MRA-automatron-2kb · 2019-08-10T15:23:13+00:00

One step is for men to stop being "Yes men sheep" and to speak up when an gender based injustice is committed at them or other men.

Yes you will be laughed at but not always and this is a first step.

I've had more support from women when I speak up than from men, sadly.

user_miki · 2019-08-10T13:12:23+00:00

first by not loosing anymore.But we are still loosing at least the last 10 years is worse and worse.

Lethn · 2019-08-10T13:17:24+00:00

Destroy the media outlets, reform or dismantle the current education system, remove the political class that conspires against us an extremely difficult task as we are removing an establishment that has been in place for almost a century or even longer but not impossible.

Male_Positive · 2019-08-10T23:10:13+00:00

We need to stop being so cheap and donate serious money to men's orgs. We need to put these orgs in our Wills. These Men's orgs then need to hire professional staff for fund raising, public relations and marketing our message. There is no place for amateurs in this game.

We need to create more infrastructure for the Movement and leverage Men's services into additional funding and infrastructure.

We need to see this not a victory or loss, but as a continuous process with no end date.

azazelcrowley · 2019-08-11T01:26:07+00:00

Attend party meetings and push mens issues as an agenda. Be mercenary and side with whoever is prepared to go furthest on that agenda even if it means sacrificing other principles, until the topic is normalized.

goodmod · 2019-08-11T01:16:17+00:00

I hate to have to remind the sub again, but even joking about violence as a solution will get you banned.

Advocating for violence, even in jest, is strictly against our rules. Any such comments will be taken out of context by feminists, and used against us.

If someone seriously advocates for violence, that will be sufficient grounds for a permanent ban. In the current social climate, that is dangerous talk and could influence unstable people as we have seen with material posted on forums such as 8chan. It could also get our subreddit closed down.

If you see anyone suggesting or joking about violence, please click on "report" immediately.

Thank you.

goodmod · 2019-08-11T01:08:58+00:00

The future isn't female. It's Chinese.

Hopefully their government will see the dangers and avoid our mistakes.

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That said, the future hasn't been written yet. So, here's some stuff about activism:

Internet Activism

Posters and Stickers

Given our difficulty in creating mass demonstrations, I think these are among our more effective options.

AEHIILRS · 2019-08-11T07:57:26+00:00

Restoring and protecting the free market and reestablishing the philosophy of derived authority flowing from the people to the organizations they create sounds nice on paper but it will always and constantly be undermined by the ratcheting accumulation of power enabled by unregulated capitalism and goverment by mob rule.

For a time, people will remember the strife of recovery and securing their free state, but eventually we forget and it takes so long for authoritarians and capitalists to topple under their own bloated weight that it's easy to pretend this time it could be different.

There are some things with how we define money that could change the baselayer behaviors of the economic systems build on top of them, but that's not something that will (or can) be implemented before the collapse... and at that point we'll be somewhat more preoccupied with murdering each other for clean water and haggling over how many goats a daughter is worth to consider the multigenerational implications of inflationary debt-based monetary policy.

mewacketergi · 2019-08-12T21:27:49+00:00

If I remember right, they say that eternal vigilance is the price we have to pay for democracy.

autisticconservative · 2019-08-10T18:15:52+00:00

Perhaps we can we via a revolution?

Lion_amongst_gods · 2019-08-10T17:42:02+00:00

HOW--DO--WE--WIN??? I mean REALLY win . . . finally and permanently!

Short answer: We can't

Reason:

Because "What exactly is winning" isn't clear.
Feminism has the double advantage of social sympathy and legal power. It's hard enough to handle one of them, let alone both.
Feminism constantly changes goalposts. You can hardly keep track. By the time you realise, they've already won.
You don't know whom you're contending with. Even if you succeed, you have to live with the other side. They can be your friends, family, colleagues or someone on the other side of the world. It's not easy.

2019-08-10T21:42:22+00:00

I thought of possible solutions but I dont see anything better than becoming a MGTOW, not incel or volcel, still maybe pursuing relationships but without cohabitation or marriage. Mainly manning up for yourself (not women).

2019-08-12T10:19:40+00:00

Protect your sons and daughters equally

That90sGuyMedia · 2019-08-12T22:37:47+00:00

You don't, simple as. The whole system is too fucked for any political solution.

I just mind my own business and wait for when it falls apart.

GreyTortoise · 2019-08-10T16:28:23+00:00

The MRM doesn't get to "win". We're not fighting for a "victory".

When feminism as a radical misandric ideology loses, we all win. The MRM isn't looking for a win, it is aiming to defeat feminism as it stands today and bring people to understand the common man.

It's been over half a century since the second Great War got some numbers of men thinking about this, and because of our disposability, it has been a long while of silence. Now we are noticed in small amounts, demonized and denigrated mostly, but some few others who think critically understand why the MRM exists and knows the detractors will be shaken off if this movement ever takes off.

Give it time.

rampantloco2 · 2019-08-10T19:07:28+00:00

We need our own island. No chicks allowed.

2019-08-11T05:06:35+00:00

Don’t think about winning. Just never give up.

2019-08-12T02:44:19+00:00

To answer your question:

We cannot win. A temporary victory, perhaps, but so long as this fucked up Western government is in place, we cannot and will not win. I'm not an anarchist or something like that, but I can say that if we really want to win "finally and permanently", we will need to destroy and rebuild. That's how civilizations have progressed throughout the years, and that's probably the best (and only way) we can truly have victory. I'm not advocating for violence or anything, because we all know how that's gonna work out, but again, it's essentially impossible for us to permanently win because no matter what we do, there will always be some sort of adversarial force attempting to work against us.

To answer your question about how to right the wrongs committed against us as a demographic, the answer really isn't simple. While we can't change the past, it can be made up for by the wrongdoers repenting along with making a change. First of all, we need to get the Duluth model out of the government and substitute something completely different, because that's honestly the main reason life's being fucked up for guys right now. We also need to demolish our current education system, pretty much all media outlets, and a whole lot of other things (including but not limited to affirmative action, conscription, mandatory child support, guilty until proven innocent rape cases, the sacrificial male ideology, etc). However, to do that, again, the easiest way would just be to destroy and rebuild from scratch.

To answer your last question, petitions, protests, any way we can reach out to other people and let our cause be known. Not just that, but we also need to change ourselves - fight out against and refuse the feminist narrative, donate money to men's rights causes, etc.

onlyforsex · 2019-08-10T18:00:44+00:00

The same way all civil rights movements won: Peaceful protest, spread information with patience and kindness, and elevate stories of male victims of injustice so that people can relate better to them.

2019-08-12T03:52:03+00:00

You dont, you probably cant, nobody has been able to culturally oppose feminism ( & more so progressivism) successfully. You can only do things in your own life. Id try to build 1st with building communities that express positive male spaces and masculinity.

Viper1-11 · 2019-08-12T17:59:56+00:00

This isn’t a war, you can’t win without destroying society, what I think we need is more caring men more men that are open bout feeling and a society that cares for them.

ninja_deli · 2019-08-12T20:23:48+00:00

Depends on what you view as "winning." I don't prefer to use the term WIN though. I prefer to phrase it as how do we gain TRUE EQUALITY? Because in the end, that is what we really want.

2019-08-13T00:04:43+00:00

By exposing that feminism is a lie and truly a cancer.

deaftoexcuses · 2019-08-13T00:54:18+00:00

You probably can't achieve permanent victory. But beliefs can be eroded over time, with intelligent, timely, careful counter-propaganda and exposure of the opposition's bad faith actions. Plus studying and exploiting the opposition's weaknesses. Combined with figuring out how to appeal to emotion and belief in such a way, as to cultivate empathy for men's issues. Watch your society closely. Keep modifying and adapting the approach, until something has an effect and be prepared to modify again, when countered.

For example: it should be considered unacceptable to have a government women's issues minister or department but not one of men. They should be pushed to fully represent us in every way they represent women or not fund either. Initiatives funded by government and business, should be called out as divisive: if they selectively help women only and there is very little to no equivalent support for men. The reasoning should be sensible but also mildly coercive, according to whatever methods can be made to work.

The gynocentric and plutocratic control of social narratives, needs to be weakened.

2019-08-10T17:41:54+00:00

If you're predominantly masculine:

Play by your own rules and doing your own thing (within the boundaries of the law). You can stick it to society and do only that which you need to in order to survive and thrive. The beauty of this approach is that it doesn't matter if only you do it or if everyone who's a masculine man does it; as long as you enjoy living a masculine lifestyle, this approach is cheaper and simpler than for those who wish to live a more feminine one.

There is only one golden rule: Don't get married. You will be shafted either way.

If you're predominantly feminine:

Simply rally alongside the non-intersectional feminists who absolutely will defend your right to be a feminine man, since they will consider you a victim of the metaphorical patriarchy and will not consider you an enemy simply for having balls. As many feminists actually do like to directly support inherently feminine men who are willing to support their cause in kind, you can use that as an opportunity to obtain employment, education and status among other like-minded feminine men and women.

Again, there's only one golden rule: Don't get married. You will be shafted either way.

Either way:

Feminism is arguably good for the economy, so letting it play out to its logical end will benefit men who take either approach in the long term as we will get cheaper goods and services in exchange for women doing a larger share of overall work. As stereotypes change, due to the forced propaganda machine pushing extreme fashion trends, we will see an increase in the number of highly masculine women and highly feminine men, resulting in 'toxic masculinity' becoming a term associated with women in the future as much as it is with men now. This will all result in the inevitable death of gender as a sexual identity as the crazy intersectional feminists will then rail to prevent discrimination against highly masculine women, causing the whole nest of cards to collapse in one fell swoop.

We can already see the makings of this outcome from the TERFs vs. intersectionals. It won't be long until testicles vs. breasticles becomes a matter of practicality rather than generality.

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P.S. This advice also applies to women, whether predominantly masculine or feminine. Also, slight edit.

xNOM · 2019-08-11T10:44:39+00:00

You don't. Gynocentrism is hard-wired.

Mackowatosc · 2019-08-12T10:54:52+00:00

Easy. Same as winning a nuclear exchange. You dont play the game if you want to win it.

2019-08-11T03:13:14+00:00

Bring down capitalism. Without their plutocratic masters' support feminists and all their misandry would go nowhere. The war on men is just a front for the war on the lower classes, that's why it is waged almost exclusively on platforms controlled by...you guessed it... rich men!

2019-08-12T00:50:22+00:00

Let's stop having children collectively. That's the final solution.

ZimbaZumba · 2019-08-12T16:56:06+00:00

The question should be how does society win. The answer to this is proundly complex and the likes of Peterson and other thinkers are probing for a solution. See:-

Glich in the Matrix

2019-08-12T19:05:44+00:00

If you're referring to the culture war, I agree with others that we've essentially lost. That's ok with me because I've won by re-framing the fight. It's easy to be anti-feminist, it's hard to be pro-men and pro-families.

I'll share an example from my own life, but keep in mind I'm not trying to be overly religious or preachy, as this probably isn't the place:

My family and I found a great church where there's a radically different culture. Just this Sunday the wives were told that their duty was to be submissive to their husbands. Not an eye was batted, this is taught often. There is no feminism that I can see. Men are respected as the heads of their families and lead everything. Divorce is very uncommon (I haven't heard of any). Families are happy. Wives are fulfilled, great moms and great wives.

To be fair, I had to leave the US church to find these folks. It's mostly Brazilians with a few "white" refugees, like me. I've been welcomed into their family like one of their own, despite being a middle-aged white male.

Anyway quite apart from any religious value the community has (which I'm avoiding on purpose here), it's culturally refreshing and like an oasis of manhood. So you see, I just found a place where I win, where the fight is re-framed. It's not about conquering feminism, it's about loving people and knowing what is *truly* best for them in the long run. And for the women of the church, that means being submissive, loving wives and good mothers.

Rowvan · 2019-08-11T06:15:58+00:00

So...you're all just virgins right? is that's what's going on here?

Ilgenant · 2019-08-11T01:38:03+00:00

I think you’re confused. Actual feminism is fighting for everyone’s rights. Of course there is the occasional misandrist who came to be because they were probably warned about men at some point in their lives. You can win by supporting equal rights groups. Misandry and feminism are not synonymous.

Title	How do we win?
Author	Hokusai1
Upvotes	61
Comments	110
Date	August 10, 2019 12:31 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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