I am so done.

dartfiredragoon · 2021-10-11T04:25:15+00:00

I’m sorry that you have to feel like this bro

chance080 · 2021-10-11T04:40:31+00:00

I don’t back down, nor do I give up. I know I have the truth on my side, and for that very reason I make these people come back again and again to respond to me. I say the same stuff, every single time.

Repetition locks information into the brain. We need to flood the web with the truth, and we all need to do so simultaneously.

I’m sorry you’ve had the rough experience of having to find out that nobody but men care about our issues. And even worse, that they belittle us or degrade us when we do express our innermost pains. It’s not right, and I make it clear that I will not stand for or protect women should they not stand for and seek to protect us too.

Sever the Symbiotic relationship men have had with women for thousands of years, let them figure out on their own that they absolutely need men, and that the disrespect won’t be tolerated anymore.

I think I’m gonna start buying up billboards to advertise for a mass male walkout next year unless our rights are taken seriously, and concessions are made.

We almost single handedly have the responsibility to run the economy, as well as infrastructure. A week or two break from being used by women and our jobs sure as hell doesn’t sound half bad. When the country grinds to a halt, and things start to go bad, women will be begging us to go back to our jobs.

A lot of women are not wrong in that we have to help ourselves, because they openly acknowledge that they will not help us. The way we help ourselves is by doing exactly as I suggested above. The world has to come to a standstill around us before women will realize just how important us men are, and at that point, we hold all the bargaining chips.

sorebum405 · 2021-10-11T06:58:47+00:00

I got a reply saying that men need to stand up for themselves instead of asking women to stand up for us. You know what we get told when we stand up for ourselves? That we're monsters. I was TRYING to stand up for myself. I was ASKING for help and advise.

This is why I think that men should not try to fight for their issues to be recognized the same way women do.Doing marches, and protests is an effective way for women to bring attention to issues they deal with, and maybe even get those issues resolved because people are highly empathetic to women's issues.People are not very empathetic to men's issues, because people are just not as empathetic towards men in general.The only way people will actually give a damn about men's issues is if their are consequences for ignoring men's issues.

A perfect example of this is CNN discussing men abandoning college because they were afraid that men being less educated, and making less money then women would lead to a dangerous society full of violent men due to a large percentage of men being lonely and unable to find women to have a relationship with.

j0k3ricu · 2021-10-11T07:19:44+00:00

I want to create male only public forums in the real world. Kind of a club that has their core value for men's rights and male improvement. I want the club to serve as a training ground to get jobs, create business collaboration and lobby companies and government for recognising men's issues and making changes to law.

It has to have a theme of training for jobs, making business deals and lifestyle improvement. Because those will make the club financially sustainable to run and attract more high value mentors with influence in industry and politics.

A very good example is Australia's men only workshops, run by retired men. But they don't mentor young men so much and is more of a recreational club.

It has to male only forum. It can never include women. It's purpose should be to promote men's issues.

az226 · 2021-10-11T06:15:39+00:00

The empathy gap

seeyeay · 2021-10-11T08:16:29+00:00

You have to remember that 80% of people are empty, soulless morons and they are also the loudest. there's an old saying "empty vessels make the most noise", so don't be disheartened by the droning masses, they are cognitively disabled and will only mouth stupid bullshit they have heard before if it makes them feel good or superior in any way. Nothing but noise man, nothing but noise.

Myahmans · 2021-10-11T10:34:59+00:00

There used to be a chance for the middle ground, but guess what: Feminism burnt in down with the third wave. Along with any chance at any real way to move forward than the 'nuclear' options. Most people just don't want to admit it. So the nuclear option we have is to just fuck it and ignore them all. By the time people realize they actually need men for society to function properly and not demonize them, it'll be too late and the pendulum will swing back hard. This might sound like some incel fanfick I'm writing here, but it's not. From what I've noticed while studying history, shit like this tends to repeat itself in cycles, with different groups, demographics, etc. only this time it's between males and females, which is especially dangerous for the human race.

WingsofSky · 2021-10-11T05:05:50+00:00

Women want and are using that power they have received. Basically as a "mace". To attack men. They think we have all the "power". We don't. It's responsibility that we have.

Industry required someone in the family unit to go out into the work force. Men decided/volunteered to do it. We got the responsibility and power of having a job.

About the only thing we can do. Is to band together. Strategize the war effort. We can not and should not give up. They must not be allowed to have their tyranny. Stop them we must.

mug-buliku · 2021-10-11T09:16:24+00:00

I got a reply saying that men need to stand up for themselves instead of asking women to stand up for us.

Did you ask them whether the same applied to women?

caem123 · 2021-10-11T06:53:22+00:00

It's better to be aware of the shitstorm we're in than not to be aware.

I'm at an age now where I see many, many disillusioned men that did all the right things for their employers just to be placed second for the 'unrepresented sex' within their field. Now their wives are selecting top-dollar universities for their daughter's to attend. One friend is literally killing himself with stress-induced strokes while maintaining a high salary for his daughter to fly around the country looking at schools.

No-Valuable4018 · 2021-10-11T09:31:12+00:00

The internet is not the spot for discussing important stuff anymore, but there are still lots of decent people in the real world

parahacker · 2021-10-11T06:24:27+00:00

Yeah, stuff like this it's almost guaranteed to get shot down the first time you try. And the second. And the fiftieth. Because jerks gonna jerk. The only way you win is by being more stubborn than they are and outlasting them. Can't do that in one go. If you base your metric on one or two tries, well, you're not going to get the results you want.

ImpeccableArchitect · 2021-10-11T05:39:12+00:00

My bro, you have been trying to talk to the wrong people. There are plenty who believe in honest open communication, but you wont find them on any feminist website. Make better friends and everything will be fine...

pappo4ever · 2021-10-11T08:22:02+00:00

Once you are past 16 years you are cannon fodder, dead meat, nobody, absolutely nobody cares about you. Except maybe some of your friends. And it's like that for men since the dawn of mankind. If you extend your hand for help, internet will cut it, and spit on it. Women will laugh at you while you are down, dying, literally. Yeah I sorry it sounds dramatic but it's exactly like that.

maskednil · 2021-10-11T06:28:28+00:00

That's the problem. You're trying to reason and debate with people who are delusional and illogical. Then, you get all worked up because you expect the people who you engage to be good, rational human beings who want to change. No, my guy, they want you to change. And because you can't execute them immediately on the spot for being terrible human beings (I don't believe humans are special, though life is. And not all humans deserve to be alive and breathing at this moment. But that's another topic), you become disillusioned when your expectation is shattered.

Expect them all to be cockroaches, and you'll be pleasantly surprised when you meet the 5% of good people out there.

Alternative_Summer · 2021-10-11T16:05:36+00:00

Women need informed about these issues. They will be mothers and have responsibilities with children.

Dogrose22 · 2021-10-11T20:12:45+00:00

The response you received reflects a complete lack of understanding and maturity, I’m sorry to hear this was what you received in answer to your request for advice.

Please be assured that the person who provided you with this in no way represents women or any other demographic they may believe they have a right to represent. There are many people who feel as you do, regardless of their gender, creed, age, sexuality, colour... etc. and I hope you continue to be you rather than allowing a bitter, selfish comment change who you are or make you doubt your beliefs and worth.

I wish you all the best and hope the hateful words of this person don’t occupy your thoughts or affect your mood any longer - they aren’t worthy.

FindingPepe · 2021-10-11T09:37:15+00:00

Spend some time overseas if you can. Not everywhere is as culturally polluted by the hate machine.

mvong123 · 2021-10-11T10:15:29+00:00

There is no need to do anything about so called "gender issues", just stand your ground without exception. Fair but hard, that's the way.

Giving them answers like NO in firm but very calm tone, or putting them on total ignore works wonders.

Neko404 · 2021-10-11T13:32:25+00:00

Sounds like the same thing that happened to me. I reached out for help as a victims of sexual assault. i got none.

GynocentrismCanSMyD · 2021-10-11T12:34:57+00:00

Totally, that's why I'm MGTOW. I'm going to focus on, make myself the best I can, and then set up a men's only artist co-op.

One day, society will collapse, and masculine men will be needed again. But until then, I'm out.

Kyouki13 · 2021-10-11T12:37:02+00:00

MGTOW.

someone_butnoone · 2021-10-11T11:42:02+00:00

Yes, u wont find it, that wont change. We brothers are all we have for each other bro. The best revenge u can get is success. We are truly alone. Get urself a punching bag to destroy, it works, trust me

hottake_toothache · 2021-10-11T13:31:15+00:00

You aren't done, you are just moving on to the next layer. I have been through a similar process. You are right. It is not "just due to a failure of communication."

RockmanXX · 2021-10-11T14:35:27+00:00

/u/Peter_Pot you reached the same conclusion i reached 5-7 years ago. Feminists don't have a single iota of goodwill towards Men and they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt until they apologize, Liberals/Leftists/Conservatives are all the same when it comes to Men's issues, they don't give a fuck.

The only people who care about you are a few handful of people, cherish them for that's all you'll ever have in this Society where everyone wants to exploit you.

RWonderlands · 2021-10-11T17:17:49+00:00

Stand for yourselves guys, dont quit being gentlemen of course… but still i urge you to stand for yourselves and defend your personal territory and mental health when you need to and hell with it. ✌🏼

IFightBitchesToo · 2021-10-11T18:02:37+00:00

This is exactly why I went full MGTOW.

SpiritofJames · 2021-10-12T00:04:58+00:00

One thing that you might benefit from is the consolation that words are not actions. Women very close to me act and behave in fantastic ways, but in words and especially debates they would rarely be the same person. In spheres of rhetoric like social media people don't treat each other or even themselves as actual people, and everything is wrapped up in tribalism and ego protection. What I'm saying is that you're more likely to find a woman that is not a bigot through their actions irl than you are to find one who does not subscribe to a bigoted team on the internet or who does not get seduced by bigoted theory and rhetoric which shape their words.

2021-10-11T10:22:16+00:00

bro, I'M totally willing to listen and want to contribute, PM ME !

don't lose hope, there are just too few of good men/people left, but we are here !

Fair-Particular-1038 · 2021-10-11T19:54:45+00:00

These people are utterly hopeless. They're literal zombies. Stop listening to them and focus on stuff going on in your life. Learn to sail or to speak a foreign language. Cheers.

godimissthePNW · 2021-10-11T20:42:08+00:00

I hear you

YellowBluesoul · 2021-10-11T21:29:34+00:00

Youre right, the gender dynamics and political expressions of those genser dynamics is ultimately rooted in biology. There is no sense in fighting it. Just leave it be and live your life. Admittedly a lot of the realities of these gender dynamics are quite ugly but what can we do about it. I've decided to just live my life with what i'll tolerate in it.

Good_Stuff11 · 2021-10-11T21:56:11+00:00

I agree, it’s not that I don’t want gender equality but the process of it is so obnoxiously tiring to even get simple logic across that it’s not worth my mental energy to even give a fuck anymore. I do care and I’ll still support men but I think just keeping to myself and focusing on stuff that doesn’t make me have a brain aneurysm will serve my life better in the long run.

gnuban · 2021-10-11T23:17:26+00:00

Well, to look at the bright side this is just the acceptance phase, which I think many of us have reached. It's all up from here!

onepixelcat · 2021-10-12T00:45:34+00:00

I'm a big fan of Karen Straughan, she knows her stuff, knows how to debate, and doing it from the women's side is a huge advantage. I don't see her active much anymore though.

D3ppress0 · 2021-11-03T09:49:12+00:00

It is, unfortunately, how it works. A man's pain is greatly overshadowed by man's history of patriarchy and abuse.

y-EYE- · 2021-10-11T05:55:15+00:00

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Cultural-Intention46 · 2022-02-07T19:44:00+00:00

I'm sorry this happened with you if you ever need someone to hear you put I'm here

SpiritusExAaron · 2021-10-11T11:54:06+00:00

Very sorry you had to go through what you did. Sometimes even the well meaning feminists can seem quite rude. Maybe you will find more understanding ones in the future.

Anti-sad · 2021-10-11T14:57:55+00:00

Not normally the type to post on subs that divide genders, but let me tell you what helps me.

Every distinction, every line between people, of gender or race, is bullshit.

We're all incredibly different, while being remarkably similar. You can't say 'only women experience...' and you also can't say 'only men experience...'

What you may want to do is address within yourself the discrepancies you put on your own despondency. Are the limitations you experience real, or were you just told that you weren't supposed to exceed those limitations, and as a result hold yourself back out of fear.

There's no reason to be done, brother. Especially not wanting true equality for people. But what you have to embrace is that that equality, which we want, comes with severe downsides. Like people telling you you're an idiot while you fight for their future, their children, their planet.

People often have a lot of opinions, I try to keep it simple.

Is it fair? Then it's cool.

If it's unfair, why? Is it actually unfair, or is it just hard for you?

If it is just hard for you, is it easier for someone else due to circumstances they had nothing to do with?

Then it actually was unfair the whole time.

People like to intermix physicality and sports, when you discuss equality. But it's all truthfully irrelevant, because the divide was never necessary.

Women want equality, but some also want separation. That is an incredibly dangerous stance. Equal but separate is a fucking shitshow, and we've literally done it before and it was stupid then. Why is it smart now?

The problem is people think because they have disadvantages in actual equality that they don't have any advantages. Women will say men are stronger. Men will say women communicate better.

Neither is true in an absolute sense.

Every binary distinction is bullshit, because there ain't a damn thing that humans didn't design and create themselves that operates binarily. And even then, it has surprising functions outside of its intended results.

Basically you can sum up gender or race issues as people yelling at eachother that a light switch can only ever be on or off, ignoring that sometimes when you turn the switch on the light says 'fuck you, no.'

Don't give up. You are one person. You also seem like you can grow beyond this. DM me if you need to vent some shit, take a look through my comments beforehand if you're concerned. As I like to say I'm definitely a dick, but I'm not an asshole just for funzies.

Girl_Dukat_ · 2021-10-11T11:31:32+00:00

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Title	I am so done.
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Date	October 11, 2021 4:15 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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