just....WHAT??

ILoveHate · 2014-03-05T05:56:24+00:00

Seduction and charm are both forms of manipulation. When you "seduce" and "charm" a woman into your bed, you're just manipulating her. Since you had to manipulate her to get her into your bed, you did so without her consent. Ergo, you raped her.

That hot girl you never had a chance with, but you swept her off her feet, dated for 4 years and have been married to for 5. The kids you had with her, etc. You're literally raping her every day. And not just raping, but stealing her freedom. By ~~convincing~~ manipulating her to be with you, you stole her freedom, her future and her happiness. Congratulations shitlord, you disgust me.

armadillo_armageddon · 2014-03-05T05:59:46+00:00

If I was a woman I'd be insulted as fuck by that.

Radical feminism: empowering women by making them out to be eternal helpless passive victims!

(Edit: typo)

ETF_Ross101 · 2014-03-05T05:29:21+00:00

So when my girlfriend starts to crawl all over me and starts to initiate sex, I'm still raping her? Gotcha....

scanspeak · 2014-03-05T12:17:52+00:00

So if I as a man felt pressured to pay the restaurant bill, she robbed me.

Number357 · 2014-03-05T04:47:27+00:00

The idea that all sex was rape, since women were constantly being coerced by the patriarchy, was actually a pretty common view among second-wave feminists. It's a lot less popular now but apparently it hasn't completely gone away.

copperstar · 2014-03-05T07:02:39+00:00

I don't understand this logic. So, women NEVER have a choice when it comes to sex? As in, women are incapable of choosing for themselves whether or not they want sex? So, does that mean that the girl who literally pounced on me and started kissing me (she wasn't even drunk) and then fucked me had no choice in the matter? Is this person honestly telling me that it is impossible for a woman to seduce a man or to have the desire to have sex? In which case, doesn't that defeat the entire premise of the argument that married men are obligated to have sex with their spouse whenever she's in the mood? Or is that still somehow rape even though the woman is the one who wants to have sex even when the guy doesn't? Yet it's the man that's raping her?

Do lesbians have a choice when they engage in sex with their partners or is that just rape as well?

This thought process figuratively scares the shit out of me because no matter the scenario they see the man committing this horrible crime. You're always guilty. Not only that but, "they evolved to rape." Are men now a separate species than women?! How do you even . . . I can't even wrap my mind around this train of thought.

AusNation · 2014-03-05T09:44:29+00:00

so women are just like children. They cant consent because they are too vulnerable to manipulation and the superior intellect of the adult male.

stupiditykills · 2014-03-05T05:05:30+00:00

that logic....where do you even begin

TheWheatOne · 2014-03-05T05:37:18+00:00

I would, non-seriously, like to see this opinion be taken into action. Imagine all intercourse sex between men and women being classified as rape and being banned. I'd like to see the reaction in statistics for that nation a decade in. NEWS: TEST TUBE BABIES BECOME NEW FAD. MEN MAKE NEW PROFIT IN SPERM DONORS. ELDERLY BECOME NEW AGE MAJORITY

JixxyJexxy · 2014-03-05T08:50:34+00:00

Id, when I have sex with a man its usually because I want an orgasm... maybe I've evolved to enjoy being raped >.>

dperry3 · 2014-03-05T04:13:26+00:00

Damn! I know it would be pointless, but I would LOVE to debate someone with that mentality.

Suitecake · 2014-03-05T05:50:45+00:00

I don't need to be informed when someone says something stupid on Tumblr.

bjornipo · 2014-03-05T04:24:20+00:00

ಠ_ಠ

2014-03-05T12:23:45+00:00

This is Radfem 101... all intercourse is rape. Period.

undergroundpanda · 2014-03-05T06:23:03+00:00

I used to be shocked by these but I've learned this is the RadFem way. I wouldn't use this in an argument against feminists because it's the equivalent of them showing a militant MRA who believes women should be sex slaves and nothing more.

I just laugh/cry at the stupidity now.

DrunkenMaester · 2014-03-05T07:57:36+00:00

twisted logic of someone who isn't getting any

SweetiePieJonas · 2014-03-05T08:15:57+00:00

Where are all these young people getting these ideas from? Everyone knows that feminism doesn't teach this, and never has. /s

Theophagist · 2014-03-05T08:57:08+00:00

If we go by this logic we don't have to care anymore and can all just go on raping sprees all the time, because it's all the same.

Funcuz · 2014-03-05T12:09:49+00:00

It seems to me that the only way a man can NOT be considered a rapist (according to feminists) is if SHE rapes HIM.

theskepticalidealist · 2014-03-05T13:34:21+00:00

This is what many RadFems actually believe, crazy isn't it. But they aren't hate, no no no

elebrin · 2014-03-05T16:04:22+00:00

I think this whole thing is some strange combination of lack of sex education (the attitude of women never wanting sex on their own or seeking it out) and a hypersensitivity about rape.

When I see something like this I consider the speaker to be unenlightened about sex.

HolySchmoly · 2014-03-05T16:17:44+00:00

That's just beautiful. Can you quote those last two totally fucked up sentences. I just love them. They should be in some sort of motto. What is wrong with us?

Women never want sex. But, women are sexual agents. How can both of these be feminist positions? Do they never blush?

HugeSaladFork · 2014-03-05T16:52:53+00:00

This isn't the first time I have heard that belief.

philosarapter · 2014-03-05T21:36:19+00:00

Pfft. Tell that to the last few girls I've slept with. I didn't do a goddamn thing and they came to coerce me.

stupiditykills · 2014-03-05T06:24:37+00:00

Indeed you are. I would tell you to kill yourself, but that would be typical of you, a man, to leave a poor woman to suffer on her own in this world.

Roddy0608 · 2014-03-05T08:37:56+00:00

Rape is about forcing people into sexcual acts without consent.

I thought it was specifically about intercourse, vaginal or anal.

All men coerce women into sex because it's naturally what men do. They've evolved to rape.

Some men coerce. Some men use charm and the art of persuasion. Some men don't even have to try. Men have evolved to be generally physically stronger than women but it's not just so they can do most of the raping.

Artanya · 2014-03-05T12:03:21+00:00

Nice when they just come out and say what they actually believe. I wish more of them would do that.

squall24 · 2014-03-05T12:36:54+00:00

What she said implies that rape is necessary for procreation, since sex cannot happen without rape. The next logical step is that rape does not exist because it is part of procreation. She is insulting real victims.

deirox · 2014-03-05T14:01:29+00:00

/r/TumblrInAction/ would love this.

Doesn't even surprise me after browsing that sub for a while.

ColonelVirus · 2014-03-05T15:10:52+00:00

That's some sound logic right there. /s

BabaXIII · 2014-03-05T15:49:33+00:00

It is a common belief on tumblr and IMO it makes women look like stupid kids who can't think for themselves. Which they are not.

aborders79 · 2014-03-05T15:50:14+00:00

Things like this disgust me. Am I going to far in thinking that this is the world my son will grow up in? The world he'll need to be a man in? How do I teach him to be a man when everything it is to be a man is being criminalized? How do I explain that there's nothing wrong with him but everyone else will say there is because he had the misfortune to be born with a penis? These things keep me up at night and make me very, very angry.

BIGGMAN44 · 2014-03-05T16:25:30+00:00

Why do we fight it guys? Lets just rape everybody, its not like we can help it.

lazlounderhill · 2014-03-05T16:40:19+00:00

Any time a person begins a sentence with "All men . . ." (or "all women . . ." for that matter) it's safe to assume that you are dealing with a person that lacks reason, and someone who has a flawed world view with a malevolent agenda attached to it. The only proper course of action to take when faced with such a person is to disregard him/her completely, much as you would the word salad of a crazy person, because that's what a lack of reason is - insanity.

jaheiner · 2014-03-05T16:46:23+00:00

My poor wife, until now I didn't realize what a shitlord I was.

Digi2112 · 2014-03-05T17:08:15+00:00

Insecurities lead both sexes to make bad mistakes. This looks like what anyone would say who cannot allow themselves to make mistakes and in a sense have a type of get out of jail free card. It is sad really.

kmmeerts · 2014-03-05T12:37:18+00:00

I never realized, but this is very reminiscent of RedPill crap. RP'ers believe women have no sense of accountability are should be treated like children, RadFems believe all men are rapists and women can't consent to sex.

Maybe we should just pair them of :)

Title	just....WHAT??
Author	stupiditykills
Upvotes	271
Comments	102
Date	March 5, 2014 3:43 AM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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