Men's problems are men

hawkeyepitts · 2022-10-01T12:21:55+00:00

I’ve never had any significant problem with other guys. Any competition is light-hearted and if we do butt heads over something, we immediately get over it and everything’s chill. You’ll meet the occasional insecure punk-ass who has to put others down to try and build himself up, but no grown man with integrity actually views him as a winner because we see through his bullshit.

A ton of the women I’ve encountered tend to be very insecure and love to knock people down to try and get ahead. They have absolutely zero chill. I’ll have women that I don’t even think about who will come at me and try to fuck with me. Like chill out lady, you don’t have to attack me to look tough. Just act like a decent person and the right people will respect you.

I’ve encountered so many insecure women out there who don’t play by the rules and just want to outright dominate men (and other women) but play the victim if they get called out. It’s such nasty childish behavior. But I’ve got to the point where I just laugh at it, it’s pathetic that they act they way and it only shows how insignificant they feel and that they’re threatened by my existence as a honest person who isn’t putting up with their weird head games.

OldEgalitarianMRA · 2022-10-01T09:39:11+00:00

I'll save you a lot of time. Don't argue with feminists. They are at war with men. Don't expect an honest discussion. They just want to convert you or leave you as a woman hating incel.

UltimateHan · 2022-10-01T14:37:59+00:00

Who cares who is causing the problem? It’s just another type of victim blaming…

Just because the victim shares the same gender as the perpetrator doesn’t make them the same person. That victim deserves a lot more support than dismissing their problem as a result of ‘people like them’ (men).

UnfurtletDawn · 2022-10-01T13:26:00+00:00

https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/sci-tech/boys-don-t-cry-study-suggests-mothers-not-fathers-show-gender-bias-towards-sons-1.4693208

Here....

Angryasfk · 2022-10-01T10:01:14+00:00

It’s standard feminism. Men are the most likely victims of violent crime? Doesn’t count as it’s mostly men who perpetrate it. Men don’t get custody? Well they may twist statistics to pretend otherwise, but they’ll then go and claim it’s due to “patriarchy” just deciding that it was a woman’s role to care for children (and ignoring the truth that women getting custody was one of the earliest victories of feminism).

Men get discriminated against in employment? Well it’s “men doing it too” as most of the CEOs are men, nevermind feminist lobbying for exactly that.

I suspect at its root is the fact that feminism is a reductionist ideology. All problems are due to “patriarchy” (ie men). So if men have problems, it must be due to “patriarchy”, or at least other men. It lets them off the hook for things their movement has done. But there’s much more to it. The “logic” is that all mens’ problems will be resolved in the feminist revolution. This means everything they do is justified, and their campaigns must take precedence (stuff like “mansplaining” and “manspreading” and quotas in male dominated fields but not female dominated ones and further boosting female education). And this is because all this prioritising womens’ interests is “dismantling the patriarchy”. Which will, of coarse, end all male problems according to the ideology. All very convenient.

Donteven1 · 2022-10-01T10:12:25+00:00

Well, we can look at the majority of the animal kingdom and how the two sexes act with each other and the others.

Females look for the most dominant(some exception, but in general...) male - to produce better offspring.
Males show dominance to attracts a female.

We are much the same in that sense. More complex, sure. Though ignoring this basic dynamic is the real issue.

delocalelectron · 2022-10-01T10:06:49+00:00

Most of the competitive pressures between men are to increase their status, measured as wealth and social position, in order to attract women, who will act as arbiters of their ranking. Male dominance hierarchy is essential in mate selection to the female. They judge their own social status by the income of their husbands or partners, and become unsettled if this hypergamy is upset.

Kath Moser, Helena Pugh, Peter Goldblatt (1990) / Tarana Chandola (2004) / Kiminchi & Dulac (2009) /

Males use the fruits of this dominance to give deference and priority to females when feeding (Kappeler, 1993). They decline to engage in a situation which would make no sense as a dominance contest. This actually has huge implications in the workplace, a natural dominance hierarchy environment. Men will not instinctively compete with female colleagues who have entered the 'food chain.'

Dominance hierarchy is male specific (Wouter van den Berg, Sander Lamballis & Stephen Kushner 2015)

All above taken from 'Sex Differences Explained' by Steve Moxon. Should be required reading for any feminist nutjob claiming that gender doesn't exist, or is a learned 'social construct'. Male behaviour originates from what is expressed by the SRY gene. The Y part is a giveaway

SirCha0s · 2022-10-01T10:26:57+00:00

Because women have ultimate control over choices of sexual reproduction (at least legally speaking in western societies at least) it is actually their standards and not men's that ultimately determine in a way whether men are worthy or not. Men fight naturally over a women's attention, so it can seem that men are the one's creating social pressure but really they are just trying to invalidate the challenger. It is subconscious alot of times, so even when there isn't a woman present it is still the case. We are descendants of apes after all who are hierarchical.

g1455ofwater · 2022-10-01T22:04:31+00:00

So you want to give feminists endless chances and excuses but if you don't like the comments on this sub about feminists you fly into a rage attacking us. You are discriminating and allowing a wide range of feminist behavior but being an extremely harsh judge of men.

xMrjamjam · 2022-10-02T00:34:06+00:00

The only people who have been enpathetoc towards my suffering and the suffering of other men have been men.

Women turn a blind eye 99% of the time.

I dont believe women are the empathetic gender because of my experiences as a man i see and hear aboit women attacking one another to drag others down to to try and level themselves up, even my own biological mother did that to me for a few grand she ruined any and all chance i had of getting into the armed forces all because she didnt want me to ever leave england or have a life of my own, havent spoken to that witch in over 6 or 7 years now i forget how long its been and thats how it will stay

Not all woman are bad, ive met a handful of positive and helpful women in my life but ive met hundreds if not thousands of women who just want to see everyone around them burn

Ive met a handful of men who were very bad but the majority of guys i meet are decent people.

Mentioning these things results in mass downvoting by bots or misandrists who cannot handle the truth or try to suppress the truth

oafsalot · 2022-10-01T14:12:37+00:00

Lies, women get a huge chunk of the basic resources of society, if the resources were split more fairly men would have fewer problems.

LoveEsq · 2022-10-01T09:11:49+00:00

I'm guessing you mean peer reviewed studies?

Your_Agenda_Sucks · 2022-10-01T16:50:18+00:00

With maybe the exception of one or two particularly salty jerks, I don't think I've ever had a conflict with a man that wasn't instigated by a woman.

Conversely, I've met and befriended men (and sometimes women) only to have to listen to a girlfriend try to sandbag the new friendships, usually because they felt their ambient attention gradient dropping. I've definitely experienced that.

Alas, I have no statistical studies for you. It would be interesting to know how such a study would be conducted. The primary reason feminists say things like this is because there probably IS no hard and fast information one way or another, so it's fertile ground for them making more bullshit up.

But the real question is: Why are you allowing your friend to change the subject? You posit men's mental health is neglected. She says it's all men's fault which is a standard feminist tactic that changed the subject of the conversation. For the purposes of your discussion, it doesn't matter who's at fault, your statement was about a real world fact and the need to address a real imbalance, regardless of causation.

Handle-me-timber · 2022-10-01T21:16:10+00:00

I’ve never met a woman that didn’t weaponize your feelings against you in even in the most unimportant arguments. They claim to have empathy but can’t even empathize with male rape victims (the crime that they would label the most heinous thing to do to a woman).

The true solution is not to have these discussions with a feminist, but non feminist women. Fems are so hard headed and indoctrinated that they cannot acknowledge anything that discredits the ideas they hold.

iainmf · 2022-10-02T01:53:27+00:00

On the same note, if you know stastics that prove or disprove "Men's problems are men" or "the only ones that care about men are women" I'll be grateful, thanks!

There's no need to debunk this.

Just say this is the reason we need systemic and institutional mechanisms to explicitly care about men. We need a Minister for Men and all kinds of other systems in place to ensure men's problems are being addressed.

oldmaninadrymonth · 2022-10-01T15:30:33+00:00

I think your mileage may vary.

In some men's spaces there is a strong sense of competition and showing any weakness is discouraged, so it's true that we'd tend to repress it there. There are also men-dominated spaces oriented towards "the mission" in lieu of all else. I'm thinking about my military service, and how during an operation I wouldn't even consider bringing up how I was feeling - the mission comes first and everything, especially feelings, are secondary. I think this sense also translates into the wider world too.

Then in other men's spaces there is greater emphasis placed on care - making sure each other is heard and supported, r/bropill-type culture, awareness of mental health issues and the need to talk about them. So in these spaces it's hard to attribute men's problems solely to pressure to conform.

I think these are two sides of men's culture that can conflict at times, and how we navigate it is part of how we develop our masculinity.

Emotional-Ostrich-83 · 2022-10-01T17:39:40+00:00

Generalizations like that just aren't true, but even if they were, so what? How does that suddenly negate the issues?

It's not hard to find women contributing to women's issues. Does that mean women's issues don't matter either?

TraehNoil · 2022-10-01T17:53:41+00:00

I’ve only encouraged my fellow men, but maybe that’s a negative thing in a feminist’s eyes, so I can do why they’d say men are men’s problem.

AnonymouslyFlustered · 2022-10-01T21:49:34+00:00

I agree that men problems are men in various situations . Like always a stupid ass fucking white night (s) running to the rescue of an abusive woman, etc. etc. if she starts hitting on a man, she needs to get knocked the fuck out and not be rescued by other men.

richidoodle · 2022-10-01T23:34:04+00:00

That is just one of the many causes to male mental health being neglected. In fact that one reason is mostly due to societal expectations, rather solely men.

Like women, men are seen as the hunter gathers are were often the group to bravely go into harm's way.

However with times moving much of that has been done away with and a lot of men have lost their place in society. A good example of this can be seen in the 1980s in the UK, where much of the industry was broken down and with that jobs. Much of those jobs were handled by men and because of that it brought a lot of problems for the men. Same can be said for other countries such as USA where the industries have either become automatised or moved ashore.

Ultimately feminists can say it's men to blame for their own misfortune, but when getting into the meat of the topic, it's easy to see that men have been neglected as a whole, and why we have more groups like incels and mgtows to form.

No-Shape7654 · 2022-10-01T18:52:53+00:00

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CjCrvA_DMHg/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= This was everything I could think of that would disprove the idea that “men s problem are men”. You guys should follow this woman on Instagram, she discusses a lot of the issues concerning men and men’s mental health.

Paintball_driveby · 2022-10-01T20:37:43+00:00

Most women I know are fighting for men and boys to stop having to parade around with the stress of providing. We want Men to be able to find their own identities outside of providing for us. Hugh Hefner tried to get it through to us all, but only ended up increasing the divide between whores and wives. Affluent families are not a representation of the rest of us, but holding to standards that they are able to portray leaves both women and men feeling insecure and inadequate.

Hirudin · 2022-10-01T14:48:25+00:00

Remind her that men can be feminists too .

morfeuzz · 2022-10-01T14:50:02+00:00

Best thing to do is leave the conversation any comment you make will be turned around you .

Qantourisc · 2022-10-01T17:57:32+00:00

I haven't noticed any pressure from men regarding mental health, neither for or against.

So i'm a little confused on why she would bring this up.

Liberated_Asexual · 2022-10-01T19:08:19+00:00

This is just feminist deflection, so that they don't have to assume any responsibility and can keep peddling their imaginary/fabricated problems in the public spotlight.

JackeTuffTuff · 2022-10-01T21:33:41+00:00

Something can’t be neglected if it’s only neglected by 50% of the population

SpookieDookie483 · 2022-10-02T03:35:33+00:00

Men's problems are women.

RecoveringCoomer · 2022-10-02T03:50:56+00:00

A lot of what men do is because of women, women's choices in men to have sex with and make babies with. If women chose to have sex with men who are compassionate with low status men, finding those men attractive, men would be more compassionate. Women love violent, abusive, but successful men, like thugs or mafia kingpins thinking they are the "alpha" men, able to give her offspring best protection and provision. And here we are.

For example, see how women respond to men getting emotional publicly. Jordan Peterson got emotional about how "incel" men get little to no encouragement or support from society. He was instantly mocked by women-feminists. If women rewarded such behavior, attractive women would throw themselves at him instead of mocking him. And men would have more incentive to support other weaker men.

And a feminist who raises "men's problems are caused by men" won't even listen to any kind of fact or reason. She is simply trying to shift the blame. Women shirk responsibility-accountability like little kids.

Women's problems are caused by men, men's problems are also caused by men. Ask her if she can accept if any problem in society is ever caused by women? I bet she won't be able to put accountability/responsibility on women for anything.

Like, %70+ of child abusers including murderers are mothers, but she cannot say "mothers, don't abuse-murder your babies" without putting the blame on men or making excuses for women (mental health issues, society pressuring women to motherhood etc etc).

"you sound like children calling the girls aliens." ad hominem is not an argument.

Arguing with women-feminists is pointless. Men argue to get to the truth. Women argue to get an emotional reaction from men to manipulate them and extract attention-money from them. To them, truth doesn't matter.

For scientific research see:
https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill

denvercaniac · 2022-10-02T06:33:02+00:00

To the feminists who gloat that women aren't responsible for our mental health: we aren't responsible for your safety or financial security.

Huffers1010 · 2022-10-02T09:54:57+00:00

I'm torn on this because at some level I agree that a significant amount of what's said on r/mensrights makes it harder to talk about men's rights, and that people should try to be more moderate and more willing to engage in debate.

On the other hand, it's hard to avoid the reality that the forces of really hardline feminism will not do us the same favour. They seem almost singularly dedicated to avoiding debate, possibly because they're actually quite aware that some (many) of their positions are effectively impossible to defend. The fact that the wider world is willing to even put up with this, let alone actively support it, is genuinely horrifying.

There's also an almost competitive tendency to try and constantly one-up the level of vitriol and unpleasantness directed against men. I think one of the reasons we're in the situation we're in is that, as a society, we've spent the last few years or few decades slowly becoming used to greater extremes of unpleasantness by women against men. Perhaps elements of it were understandable at first, if never really justifiable, but that gradual drip-drip increase in the level of criticism has created a situation in which almost any statement by any woman against any man is likely to be taken as true or written off as hyperbole when it may be entirely false and intended quite seriously.

None of this makes extremist reactions useful and I agree completely that it helps us to respond in the best possible faith. However, this situation does go some way to excusing people being very, very angry, especially with respect to completely innocent men who have lost friends, careers, fortunes, homes, access to their children, their freedom, or even their lives, and we are then told off for having the unmitigated temerity to complain.

In short, I agree with you to a degree, but the depths to which the hard core of modern feminism is willing to sink have become very, very, very unpleasant, to the point of encouraging violence against and the killing of men and then laughing when it actually happens. Uncontrolled anger is not helpful, but an extremely robust response is entirely justified.

Title	Men's problems are men
Author	I_5hould_Be_5tudying
Upvotes	149
Comments	91
Date	October 1, 2022 9:03 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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