Politifact on the gender wage gap: "Mostly False"

Mitschu · 2013-07-28T22:41:36+00:00

To believe in the wage gap is to believe that companies choose to employ and hire men while cheaper female applicants are available even during a recession. In any industry where the bulk of expenses are human resources, a business could have an immediate 11% edge over their non-discriminating competition. Such a strategy wouldn't even be illegal for business with fewer than 15 employees.

Mr_Rivers · 2013-07-28T20:06:48+00:00

I'm pretty sure these politicians know exactly what the 77 cents means, they do it because they know they will gain votes by saying they will smack down on this kind of discrimination, when in practice, by saying it all they are doing is saying they will make sure buisnesses do what they're already doing

TracyMorganFreeman · 2013-07-28T18:00:05+00:00

Feminism doesnt care about facts.

Vandredd · 2013-07-28T20:00:02+00:00

Facts don't real shitlords, they feel the oppression

disposable_mail · 2013-07-28T19:26:08+00:00

Excellent, concise bullet points, and a mainstream source.

qemist · 2013-07-29T07:21:02+00:00

A better qualified summary of the evidence. If the gap is about 5% ignoring non-wage benefits, then it is probably about zero when you take them into account (note the study that did take this into account and found a 3.6% gap was from 1995).

AtheistConservative · 2013-07-29T08:46:47+00:00

Fucking politifact only giving this a "mostly false"

fuckingdanzig · 2013-07-28T22:49:10+00:00

When did PolitFact get taken over by raging misogynists? /s

2013-07-28T20:07:11+00:00

Nice.

Xanthan81 · 2013-07-29T08:56:16+00:00

http://youtu.be/EwogDPh-Sow

undervannsjeger · 2013-07-28T18:03:41+00:00

its not that they deem the statement mostly false, its that they debunk and ridicules the methodology.

Grapeban · 2013-07-29T02:54:50+00:00

Faulty title.

It is not saying the wage gap does not exist, it is saying that the precise statement made about the nature of the wage gap is mostly false.

This article features such lines as

Many experts say some of the gap is likely caused by discrimination, economists generally attribute about 40 percent of the pay gap to discrimination

and

Many experts say some of the gap is likely caused by discrimination,

and

A 2009 analysis by the nonpartisan CONSAD Research Corp. in Pittsburgh concluded that three-fourths of the disparity can be explained by trends common to women:

The pay gap is due to both discrimination but also socialisation, what kinds of jobs and lives men and women are pushed towards.

Feminists don't deny this. Feminists are well aware of this, that's why we talk about not just legislation to stop legal discrimination, but social movements to make sure that all careers are seen as viable possibilities by all people.

Nice try MRAs.

The_McAlister · 2013-07-29T03:20:37+00:00

Chocoboat's title: Mostly false.

The politifact article was about a guy who cited 77% as the wage gap for same job. That is the wage gap overall. For same job its more in the 8%-15% range depending on field. So his statement was incorrect. Implying that politifact denies the existence of the wage gap for the same work is ... well its exactly the kind of falseness that he is attempting to mock.

When comparing apples-to-apples in the same job Politifact cites this study which does show a wage gap by gender.

And studies focusing on the very first job out of college are an excellent source of data for anyone actually interested in fairness because when all you have is a GPA and a gender any systemic differences in salaries can't possibly be based on the candidates actual job performance.

Title	Politifact on the gender wage gap: "Mostly False"
Author	chocoboat
Upvotes	242
Comments	58
Date	July 28, 2013 5:08 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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