Therapy isn't the definitive answer

WanabeInflatable · 2024-07-18T07:45:04+00:00

Particularly because how misandrist is the community of psychologists.

If you are seeking psychologist - vet them well. And gender is not a good predictor either. There are a lot of misandrist men, while some women show genuine compassion and understanding.

Alex_Mercer_23 · 2024-07-18T07:35:43+00:00

Some relevent statistics and studies on this matter.

https://documents.manchester.ac.uk/display.aspx?DocID=55305

91% men commiting suicide were in contact of some form of therapy.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/15579883211014776

Most men attending therapy report being unable to connect with therapy.

https://thelatch.com.au/men-mental-health-statistics-australia/

More than half of the men left therapy because it didn't benefit them.

https://www.qualitativecriminology.com/pub/z1961qto/release/1

Most teen boys who suffer from bad mental health do not have proper mental healtchare facilities and services available to them unlike the hundreds of them there for teen girls.

https://archive.is/3MnuZ

Suicide prevention programs for women and girls are simply more in numbers and better in terms of quality and service.

Moreover studies have also shown that men might be less likely to engage in traditional therapy as it has been feminized and made more specifically for women

This study here also found that most young do not have proper access to mental health professionals to whom they can open up and discuss their issues freely with proper understanding

http://empathygap.uk/

Empathy gap would likely be a factor for it

Not to mention over 75% therapists are women and women tend to have a great in group bias

quantumMechanicForev · 2024-07-18T07:09:38+00:00

First question you should ask your therapist to determine if he’s even remotely capable of offering you good advice: Is this culture a patriarchy?

tacobellbandit · 2024-07-18T11:04:54+00:00

I started with 2 female therapists, and there was a pretty big gap in empathy and just really any kind of understanding where I was coming from with my issues. I finally got a male therapist after those two failed attempts at therapy and it was almost night and day. You really do need to find a therapist you like because if they don’t take your problems seriously they’re just wasting your time

corporate_robot_dude · 2024-07-18T15:12:50+00:00

Men's issues largely stem from the observations we make based on how we are being treated (eg. by society, women) or the problems that exist in our lives (eg. health, finances). The only way to get around whatever depression that may exist is to solve the problem inherently causing it.

The problem with therapy is that it's almost like brainwashing ourselves into a different perspective by turning a blind eye to the realities we observe. Women are more emotional and use therapy to simply seek validation so that they are told what they want to hear to avoid accountability. You can't just "manifest" whatever BS you want in your life.

I can see some circumstances where therapy can help by giving a different perspective on things. But for the most part it's turned into a pseudo science that's giving people false impressions.

Worth_Panic2490 · 2024-07-18T12:16:36+00:00

Men often need their problems actually solved to feel better. And therapy, which is made for women primarily, doesn’t often solve problems in any way. Men aren’t the problem in not “seeking help” - the tools available utterly fail to help most men.

And then, women shame men both for seeking and not seeking help. But God forbid you pay for therapy and it doesn’t help you - you are ALWAYS the problem in their eyes.

Asatmaya · 2024-07-18T14:25:06+00:00

I have had exactly two good therapists in my life:

First, when I was young, I had to see a child psychiatrist every week from when I was about 9 until I graduated high school, due to a requirement imposed by the Special Education department; fortunately, my mother found someone to take me to whose attitude was explicitly, "I'll take him as a patient, just to keep him away from someone else who might try to 'fix' him." We mostly played chess, but also just talked about life and how to interact with people.

Second, many years later, and following my second divorce, and in the middle of child support and career problems, I was sent to a therapist, a man, who listened to me for half an hour and just said, "You're not depressed, your life just sucks right now; there's no magic pill for that." He gave me 20 Xanax, anyway.

Other than that, the other child psychiatrists I went to were just terrible human beings, in general; my wife and I went to couples therapy, once, with a woman who spent the whole hour trying to find different ways of asking each of us if we were gay; don't even get me started on prison psychs...

gonnaenditthx197 · 2024-07-18T21:33:35+00:00

It def isn't in this age of lack of empathy, i got a new therapist earlier (i replaced her thankfully) and she straight up told me to just go die if i given up, "theres no point coming here then" dumb af

SlowLearnerGuy · 2024-07-18T19:41:38+00:00

I have dealt with female psychologists - utterly useless as they can't see things from a male perspective.

I have dealt with male psychologists - also useless because they are so effeminate or politically correct that they are impossible to communicate with.

Also, the industry is plagued with whack jobs. Useful people tend not to enter these fields so you end up with the dregs of academia who couldn't make it anywhere else. It's no wonder the Dunning-Kruger effect is so prevalent across mental health types.

Melodic-Dust-1160 · 2024-07-18T08:31:13+00:00

Truly great therapy can be life-changing. But most therapists aren't great ir even good. Most do "talking therapy." What works, especially for men, is "doing therapy." Active, practical, behavioral. Like, as if the therapist were a personal trainer. Less than 20% of therapists are men and the field has been totally feminized.

Practical_Example_73 · 2024-07-18T16:42:27+00:00

Especially when the psychology field is 75% women, lgqbt+, white knights.

lersday · 2024-07-18T17:47:08+00:00

especially since most therapists have a political agenda. Seems like man bad is the policy

Current_Finding_4066 · 2024-07-18T07:42:50+00:00

In most cases it seems to be there to help therapist financially.

RepeatMyNameBro · 2024-07-18T19:36:45+00:00

So many men Drink Alcohol or have some type of Vice for a reason.

Additional-Union-132 · 2024-07-18T10:27:45+00:00

Therapy as it is practised today works better for women than men. It doesnt seem that there is a big interest in study the reasons for it and finding better therapy for men.

2024-07-18T07:34:57+00:00

Therapy won’t help at all, the only thing that helps is confronting the problem head on. But most people are scared nowadays

hasbulla_magomedov · 2024-07-18T15:15:32+00:00

Literally. Most of the time we deal with things that can’t be resolved by just sitting down and rambling to someone about it.

LettuceBeGrateful · 2024-07-18T15:53:45+00:00

I've been REALLY lucky with every therapist I've had - like, insanely lucky, they were all wonderful and helped me immensely. If it weren't for them, I wouldn't be alive, let alone living my best life. That said, there's clearly a problem endemic to the field of psychology when so many men report negative outcomes. It seems like the problem is exacerbated by the modern notion that the way to solve men's issues isn't to try to understand men, it's to reshape them.

hendrixski · 2024-07-18T20:23:39+00:00

I am a big fan of therapy for helping with the hard times in your life.

I am also realistic: it helps but it's not like a powerful medicine or a surgery. It's not a cure. That's especially true if you have underlying mental illness.

TWIYJaded · 2024-07-18T22:27:28+00:00

My shrink ghosted me 😂

Edit: In some seriousness, multiple sessions I had been mentioning it started to feel like just an obligation and I wasn't going for depression or something serious originally but just for some new perspective maybe. I never gained anything significant and after he cancelled a session from a conflict I just never tried to reschedule and never heard from him either.

NoSpinach4025 · 2024-07-18T20:04:04+00:00

Therapy is for women by women. You just need a couple beers with a male buddy.

cacamalaca · 2024-07-19T10:42:51+00:00

Therapy was the biggest waste of money in my life Did absolutely nothing. Perhaps it can help in identifying your problems but I don't believe it's possible to overcome limiting beliefs by journaling and meditating and whatever other nonsense is common these days.

ragebeeflord · 2024-07-19T11:58:32+00:00

I recently watched Aba and Preach‘s video regarding this topic. How (especially young people) have this weird „obsession“ with therapy.

https://youtu.be/s_MIYIMNNps?si=qxUei81orQbl9nyu

Grand-Juggernaut6937 · 2024-07-20T05:17:53+00:00

I think therapy is amazing if you’re on the brink of a crisis or have seriously debilitating mental illnesses.

But if you’re just (logically) sad because your dad beat you as a kid, the marginal return is pretty small.

But also, since women make up the vast majority of who therapists talk to, therapy has evolved alongside them to be effective for curing women’s issues. I have a strong belief that men don’t really need to talk it out the same way women do, until women and media say it’s unhealthy if they don’t

ParanoydSchizo · 2024-07-20T17:39:07+00:00

Finally somebody says it Tired of that stuff being thrown around at everyone when they open up or have a bad day heaven forbid we show it cuz males aren’t allowed to have emotions right? 😂😂😂

I kinda got a little angry typing that but yeah it pisses me off and drives me insane when you try to open up and so many people just say “have you tried therapy?” Like bruh stop pretending to care with that toxic positivity and they don’t realize how dismissive they are when they say that it’s basically a sugarcoated way of saying “f ur feelings” don’t hang with anyone that does that shit sometimes we are allowed a bad day or a bad time in our lives to feel the negative feelings fuck anyone who just throws the therapy crap

I kinda vented but im happy someone finally said it….we don’t need all that therapy to “heal” our trauma that we never caused in the first place….it is not our fault what happened and paying a fortune to talk to someone that can’t relate to our issues and gives us advice that doesn’t apply to males or is outdated… is literally pointless…..having someone or a group of people you can be open and trust is a million times better than therapy but obviously that’s way harder to find but can be done

Mister_Hugh_Mungus · 2024-07-21T22:21:53+00:00

I find that most therapists detest the ideas of us being a product of evolution and that we may have inherent tendencies.

They really subscribe to the blank slate- which is co-opted by feminists and the religious for different reasons.

To me this highly devalues the reality of what they offer

3gm22 · 2024-07-18T13:43:33+00:00

"therapy" has been hijacked by the atheist religion as a way of re-enforcing their misandrist leanings.

Which is why I admire Peterson, who tends to teach men to be powerful, develop self control and pursue goals. In contrast, women are taught to do the same all the while extorting the government (defacto husband) for what they need.

Learn to spot these misandrist parasites and stay away. In fact, do better by refusing to do commerce with them.

Title	Therapy isn't the definitive answer
Author	DaddyBarista
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Date	July 18, 2024 6:43 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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