why a lot of mra's dislike feminism

AbysmalDescent · 2023-06-19T16:42:36+00:00

Feminism has been one of the biggest contributors of systematic misandry and androphobia, for over half a century. It promotes itself on a narrative that is anti-male, fictitious and full of logical fallacies. It presents this idea of a one-sided "scale" between, by omitting every possible weight or responsibility that men are expected to bear by and for women, and then actively seeks to put more burden on men to "balance the scales". It is an active force against gender equality, it is a perpetual defender of female chauvinism and female toxicity, and it is constantly trying to belittle or attack men's rights activists on countless issues. It is the first to cheer about how little they care about men's issues, or how deserving men are of those issues because they are men or because of a delusional "tyrannical patriarchy". Feminists are also full of hypocrisies, being the firsts to sex-shame and virgin-shame men, they are the first to dismiss female privileges or discount their significance in any aspect of life where they benefit women. They're the first to dismiss and silence male experiences and victimizations, with labels such as incel, creeps or misogynists. Feminism is also full of radicals, plenty of whom cause real harm to men around them or women they influence, and who will resort to violence against men(often even using their own gender/privilege as a shield).

63daddy · 2023-06-19T16:46:20+00:00

Many of the inequalities men face are a direct result of feminist efforts to advantage men. One can’t deal with the inequalities without addressing the cause.

Current_Finding_4066 · 2023-06-19T16:57:42+00:00

Exactly, feminism is a female supremacy movement. Equality is only a front to appease people on the sidelines. As long as they are demonizing all men, opposing equal rights for men, opposing discussion and solution to men's issues, and demanding special privileges for women,..., there can be no amicable discussion between people who want equality and feminists.

WeEatBabies · 2023-06-19T17:57:48+00:00

One of the first thing the suffragettes did was block the Equal Rights Amendment :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s\_Joint\_Congressional\_Committee

Went downhill from there.

In Canada, they are pushing to have common-law marriage in Quebec, the only province without it. Even if the U.N. considers forced marriages to be a form of slavery, they have no problems marrying men when they say I don't!

References :

https://www.leaf.ca/case_summary/quebec-v-a-2013/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ_AsTiufQc

Traditional_life98 · 2023-06-19T17:42:07+00:00

One of the main points for me, as a women. Is the fact I feel Feminism takes away from being proud to be a woman. The feminine qualities and natural instinct women have, feminism frown upon and encourage to do the complete opposite. As if it’s wrong or bad. The modern day feminist movement is degrading to a woman. Where if you want to be a homemaker, who is submissive to the husband and take on the woman’s role, then you are automatically oppressed and self hating.

To add, the way feminist have attacked “masculinity” and what exactly positive male roles are.. the constant degrading of men and everything a man is. You can no longer be proud to be a man in its true form or a woman in it’s true form. The majority of Feminist create problems and issues where there never was one, they have dehumanized men and elevated women on a delusional pedestal.. and it’s caused confusion and serious harm to mens mental health and skewed any type of positive views on relationships. What is to be expected or okay with a significant other. Where you don’t have to respect men, and if they say anything it’s automatically because they are being anti-woman and misogynistic.

griii2 · 2023-06-19T18:45:26+00:00

Please consider contributing to r/ToxicFeminismIsToxic

WhereProgressIsMade · 2023-06-19T17:40:58+00:00

The entomology of the word “feminism” describes the movement’s behavior pretty well. “feminin” is old French which came from the Latin “femina” which means “woman”. One of the definitions of the suffix “-ism” is to take sides with.

Logic? Doesn’t matter. It takes the side of women. Facts? Doesn’t matter. Take the woman’s side. Equality? Well you have to take her side, so to justify it you’re forced to find ways to spin things in a way to make her the victim.

ExMuzzy · 2023-06-19T20:01:32+00:00

Great points. Internet feminists are unimportant compared to those with actual influence and power, the ones behind government policies and legislations.

The typical internet feminist is no good either. They always complain about how men only bring up their issues because we want to diminish women’s issues. However, they do this exact thing every time outside of this subreddit. Make a post about male suicide with no mention about women and someone will say women attempt more. Post about DV or rape and they will say how women have it worse.

They have unpaid public PR who will come out to say they believe in equality for men too whenever they’re criticised.

hendrixski · 2023-06-20T03:31:11+00:00

Not all MRA's.

Men have been oppressed for thousands of years. Long before feminism. It's not feminism that is the cause of our suffering. Feminist mistreatment of men is yet another symptom of a much deeper problem.

Efficient-Ratio3832 · 2023-06-20T12:23:30+00:00

When "The Talk" talked about that guy that got his dick cut off by his wife and the whole studio howled with laughter, that had a lot to do with it.

fernandorees · 2023-06-20T12:34:32+00:00

Feminism is a Marxist ideology created by sexual deviant men feeling sorry about themselves and jealous about happy families of father, mother and beautiful kids. It never earned anything for women - in fact, it made their lives worse collectively. A female feminist is an ignorant poor thing; a male feminist is not a male.

umenu · 2023-06-20T13:26:11+00:00

I really believe feminism is different in America than it is in my country. For example: I just had a conversation with a toxic female who was spewing around how men are unable to care for children and keeping up a household. Because (her reasoning); even when there are agreements on the dividing of chores, men can't do it because females are natural caregivers and men aren't. Mind you, this woman was a stay-at-home mom who didn't want to work and therefore wanted to justify why fathers can't be stay-at-home dads. I have nothing against dads who want to work and provide, don't get me wrong, it's just not justifiable to say about all men that they can't be caregivers just because we are biological wired differently. With enough people like the person I had that conversation with, you'll get benevolent sexism in family court that will favor the mother over father for parental rights. She accused me of being a stampeding feminist, well...yes I'm a feminist but with my sense of justice and understanding of the word feminism I want the same rights for men as we women have. Equal rights mean even rights, so we also have to give in. Otherwise, it isn't equal anymore.

JCgamerX · 2023-06-19T17:28:08+00:00

I think feminism has devolved from what it once was. it was originally for equal rights for women but as of more recently its severely devolved into a misandric, female superiority complex. it's lost its origins and has become the thing it fought against. the reason many men are not for feminism and even women are starting to back away is because it's become extreme in its view so much so its no longer about its original mission and shooting down men's issues has made things worse. me and my sister are not feminists actually we both became turned off by it because it's no longer about promoting equality. they allowed women to be liberated from their confined roles but want men to stay in there roles. men should have the same freedom to share their feelings too.

YucatronVen · 2023-06-19T21:15:37+00:00

I'm feminist myself, but what a truly feminist means : "the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes." .

The problem is that the main standard bearers of modern feminism are nothing more than misandric people with hate speech, as can be evidenced in all the popular subs related to feminism. That is not feminism, but they have appropriated the term, now it is difficult to differentiate it.

Now, in this sub and in the mra's there is also the opposite extreme... there are also male , machist and misogynists hiding here.

SirIsaacGnuton · 2023-06-19T18:34:49+00:00

Any successful movement attracts fringe adherents who want to push the envelope and they are the ones who get most of the attention. For instance, BLM had roughly 23 million march participants in 2020 with 10,000 arrests for mostly low level incidents like failure to disburse. Only 5% of protests had any arrests. Only 3.7% of arrests had property damage. Yet some people believe that BLM burned down entire cities and that it's purpose is to assault white people and eliminate the police. I don't think anyone who believes that has taken an objective look at the movement.

Likewise, equating feminism with radical feminism misses the mark. You can't understand a movement by gathering anecdotal evidence and sensational headlines from your favorite echo chamber.

The personal experience you point to isn't actually lived experience but experience arguing in a feminist newsgroup. Of course they're resistant to your criticism because that's where the most militant feminists gather just like this is where militant Maras gather.

Are there shitty feminists? Yes. Are there shitty MRAs? Yes. Neither are a good representation of either group. I don't think you can be a good representative without understanding the history and without being able to represent the issues without resorting to hyperbole and black and white thinking.

Title	why a lot of mra's dislike feminism
Author	mrauser347
Upvotes	71
Comments	56
Date	June 19, 2023 2:01 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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