Why does school keeps putting boys on humiliating situations?

kanuk876 · 2009-07-06T15:33:24+00:00

Imagine if they forced the girls to play on the rugby team... with the guys.

Now, before you say, "but they'll get hurt...", I'd argue those boys in the play were hurt, but you couldn't see their wounds. And they're boys; they know if they complain they'll be shot down.

It's really a nice situation for parents and teachers to do pretty much anything they want to boys with impunity. Look what wonderful things we're doing with circumcision and ADHD drugs here in North America; traumatized, ladled with PTSD, deprived of required play, and drugged until they're 18.

Crazy.

2009-07-06T21:51:30+00:00

Next year suggest instead of dancing playing a soccer (football I know) game instead. When they ask why tell them its fair to the boys. When they say boys can dance tell them girls can play football. If they say this will help the boys grow by them doing something they dont want to do - tell them its the girls turn to "grow."

noelsusman · 2009-07-06T17:34:00+00:00

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kanuk876 · 2009-07-06T17:32:43+00:00

Part of being a man is doing things you hate to do.

Consider this training.

Kardlonoc · 2009-07-06T20:14:38+00:00

Let me tell you: Anyone who directs a play for children is not all mentally right in the first place. Goes for much of the pre-k to 6 crowd.

remccain · 2009-07-06T20:27:20+00:00

Part of becoming a man is doing things that you don't want to do. Kissing Aunt Flatus. Shoveling a horse stall clean. Dancing in some stupid school play.

Embarrassment, humiliation and the way we learn to deal with it makes us into stronger individuals. Imagine a child that never experienced having to do something they didn't want to do - now imagine that child at their first internship. "Scrub the toilettes? I don't think so." "Well, Mr. Spoiled Brat, you can go back home to momma."

Hell, part of growing up is embarrassing your siblings or your children. I dreaded taking home a girl because I knew my father was going to make some embarrassing remark that was in fun, but still uncomfortable.

Quit making wimps out of our kids.

noelsusman · 2009-07-06T19:25:02+00:00

Part of being a kid means doing stuff that you don't want to do (i.e. school). Hell, part of being a person in today's society means doing stuff that you don't want to do. You can't save every kid from experiencing uncomfortable situations. Girls are forced to go to gym class and play sports, and that is something that makes many girls uncomfortable. Taking your child out of his/her comfort zone is a good thing.

Basically, my point is that you are overreacting.

linuxlass · 2009-07-06T17:38:46+00:00

As a parent, I talk to my kids about situations like this, and always reassure them that they can opt out. If I think it'll be a good experience, I'll try to convince them, but they always have the final say. I let my son avoid a performance by his music class in 4th grade.

If an activity is required, I explain what it's for, why it's required, and this is a chance to learn/practice being adaptable and cooperative, and I also give some hints for coping. I also try to talk to the teacher ahead of time. For instance, my son went on a field trip to a baseball game in 5th grade. I suggested he bring a book. :)

Oliverotto · 2009-07-06T18:32:10+00:00

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2009-07-06T18:35:41+00:00

I couldn't agree more with this Those school shows were the worst.

I remember when I was in grade 1 I was supposed to be a cloud for a play. I was told to wave around like an idiot. When the time came to perform the play. I throw the cardboard cutout on the ground and walked out.

I always refused to do stuff like that. All those kids songs, choreographed dances and plays were met with complete hostility

killbrad · 2009-07-06T20:06:22+00:00

thanks, i unsubscribed from MensRights subred now.

Saydrah · 2009-07-06T22:55:07+00:00

First, I don't think any extracurricular activity should be mandatory for any student. The word itself-- extracurricular-- conveys that it should be outside the scope of "schooling" and thus open for voluntary participation.

That said, if a school dance or play is considered part of a class activity, I think that requiring students to participate is a good idea. There are lots of little humiliations and annoyances involved in education for every student. All students have to participate in PE (Gym) classes, including those who are overweight, not good at sports, or simply don't enjoy athletic activity. All students must solve problems at the board during math classes, even those who are afraid of making a mistake in front of the class. Unless a student has a physical or learning disability that makes them unable to participate or makes the activity likely to cause harm beyond momentary embarrassment, all students should participate in all class activities.

Ideally every teacher would have a crystal ball that let them look into each individual student's future to see which activities would prove beneficial in the long run and which would only be uncomfortable memories. But that's not possible. By and large, the activities kids don't want to do in school eventually benefit them in some way. If that isn't the case for a particular activity, it should be removed from the school curriculum.

If these dances aren't considered part of any academic or elective course, they should not be mandatory. If they're part of a physical education or theater class, they should, except in the case of children genuinely unable to dance due to a physical or cognitive limitation.

Title	Why does school keeps putting boys on humiliating situations?
Author	meshosh
Upvotes	34
Comments	71
Date	July 6, 2009 3:17 PM UTC (17 years ago)
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