I've been doing reading on "responsive desire", which according to research, describes how a majority of women's libido operates.
In short, a woman who is like this will have frequent enthusiastic sex only at the start of a relationship, especially prior to cohabitation. Once the "new relationship energy" wears off, she no longer gets spontaneously aroused by her partner. If she continues to want sex at all, it's only with some kind of aid to overcome her lack of arousal: be it erotica, porn, scheduled sex (force herself to have sex and let her mental arousal catch up to her body), etc. It requires lots of proactive, consistent effort on the part of the woman to maintain sex with her partner and we all know how good the average human being is at that (not very).
Given that these aids most likely did not even exist during our evolutionary history, it makes me question just how feasible it is to impose covenants like marriage on a species that -- at least for the female half -- simply wasn't engineered for it. It really seems more likely to me that women would pair up and fuck long enough to get pregnant and then immediately lose interest in the father (who would then simply leave and seek a more willing female), until ovulation began again and a new surge of NRE and interest in a new mate, repeating the cycle over and over for maximum genetic diversity.
In any case, this "responsive desire" and its prevalence among women is something I don't feel the majority of either men OR women are clued into. I almost feel that's by design, because how could you gyp men into committing to women if they knew they'd eventually have to grapple with this horrendous situation? That is, dealing with a wife who can just barely manage to want to fuck them, but still restricts their fucking other women. Whose libido will essentially become broken at some point, never to be resurrected except, perhaps, by the high provided by a novel adulterous/polyamorous partner.
I don't feel most sane men would sign up for that if they knew that was how it would play out. I feel like this information, if fully processed by society, is a death knell for marriage. It would shatter marriage, possibly even cohabitation and monogamous LTRs, if it was understood just how divergent male and female sex drives are over the long term.
Also, just to try to anticipate some likely responses:
But I'm female and am not like this / my partner is female and isn't like this!
The research points to this being the norm among women, if you are an outlier, feel free to count your blessings, but it doesn't really impact the crux of my argument.
You can overcome this by being alpha enough. Just be alpha bro.
Not feasible for the majority of men. 20% in a best case scenario (pareto principle). Again, doesn't really address the crux of my argument.
Men suck too! They're hardwired to fuck the waitress.
Not disputing that, if anything it reinforces my belief that the current set up is unnatural and perhaps should, and likely will, be replaced by something else over the long term.
The blissfully ignorant beliefs that undergird monogamy can't stand up forever against the scrutiny of investigative science. Marriage contracts may have made sense during the heyday of patriarchy when all wealth was tied to land and inheritance and so on and forming familial alliances was crucial... but I don't see much utility in them anymore.
One counterargument I admit has merit is, if women aren't wired for monogamy, then why do women cling to a relationship and commitment with a man even while their own sexual desire for that man is tanking? My answer: I think this has more to do with culture and rational self interest than sexuality. In an atomized world like ours you need two partners busting their humps to provide a "decent" life and to raise children, preferably with familial support on both sides. It is the potential loss of support that women fear in this scenario, not the loss of the individual man, I posit.
By contrast, in our evolutionary past, this fear wouldn't have existed: you'd have a whole clan of people all supporting each other and raising kids communally, and splitting from your partner wouldn't carry the same loss of status, stigma, and financial strain that it presently does.
[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFM13 points14 points15 points (43 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (42 children) | Copy Link
[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFM5 points6 points7 points (35 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points (32 children) | Copy Link
[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFM2 points3 points4 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFM1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill2 points3 points4 points (13 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (11 children) | Copy Link
[deleted]
[–]belletaco 1 points1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]ffapod 1 points1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]belletaco 1 points1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (6 children) | Copy Link
[removed]
[–]Littleknownfacts1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment[M] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Greedyfriend 1 point2 points3 points (8 children) | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad2 points3 points4 points (7 children) | Copy Link
[–]belletaco0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad2 points3 points4 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]belletaco0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]93til1nfinity"Open up bby" - Indian Man0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Greedyfriend 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]GinSmokeLies 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]GinSmokeLies 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment[M] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]PrieneNon-Red Pill0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]MercedesBenzoAMGbringing percocets molly percocet back to ppd0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]whitebunny87 11 points12 points13 points (25 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (20 children) | Copy Link
[–]whitebunny87 6 points7 points8 points (19 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.0 points1 point2 points (17 children) | Copy Link
[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment4 points5 points6 points (14 children) | Copy Link
[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.1 point2 points3 points (13 children) | Copy Link
[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment5 points6 points7 points (12 children) | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad2 points3 points4 points (10 children) | Copy Link
[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Greedyfriend 1 point2 points3 points (8 children) | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point2 points (7 children) | Copy Link
[–]Greedyfriend1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–][deleted]1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]Greedyfriend2 points [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_things1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–][deleted]1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_things1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–][deleted]1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]GinSmokeLies 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]belletaco0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]belletaco2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]whitebunny87 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]concacanca0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man6 points7 points8 points (11 children) | Copy Link
[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.3 points4 points5 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Cho_AssmilkArrogant RP S.O.B.4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]OfSpock1 point2 points3 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]OfSpock2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]HappyCakeDayBot10 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Greedyfriend 4 points5 points6 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Greedyfriend 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Russelsteapot42Non Pill3 points4 points5 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie2 points3 points4 points (28 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (27 children) | Copy Link
[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]Aaren_AugustineWants a Cookie1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]OfSpock0 points1 point2 points (14 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (13 children) | Copy Link
[removed]
[–]OfSpock0 points1 point2 points (8 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]OfSpock0 points1 point2 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]OfSpock1 point2 points3 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]OfSpock1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–][deleted]1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment[M] 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment[M] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point2 points (7 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]Greedyfriend 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad1 point2 points3 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]adrixshadowIndigo Pill(aka dark and evil occult pill)2 points3 points4 points (11 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (10 children) | Copy Link
[–]DarkLord0chinChin1 point2 points3 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]Greedyfriend 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]DarkLord0chinChin0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]adrixshadowIndigo Pill(aka dark and evil occult pill)0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]adrixshadowIndigo Pill(aka dark and evil occult pill)0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing3 points4 points5 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]nemma8830/F/UK INFP -t. Engaged2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Five_DecadesKnows what women want. Knows he doesn't have it1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points3 points (15 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (12 children) | Copy Link
[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points3 points (8 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (7 children) | Copy Link
[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Greedyfriend 2 points3 points4 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (2 children) | Copy Link
[deleted]
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]sabadr0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]concacanca0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Willow-girlSuffering from bovarian oppression1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment1 point2 points3 points (11 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (8 children) | Copy Link
[–]allweknowisD3 points4 points5 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]allweknowisD4 points5 points6 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (1 child) | Copy Link
[removed]
[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment[M] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]MakeMoneyNotWar0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]TwentyX40 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]AstuteBlackManRed Pill Man1 point2 points3 points (8 children) | Copy Link
[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]AstuteBlackManRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]allweknowisD3 points4 points5 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]allweknowisD4 points5 points6 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]allweknowisD4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]AutoModeratorBiased against humans[M] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link
My opinion: It was originally set up to control men. (I have no sources for this; just my opinion). It's still used as a way for the elite to control lower classes of men (although this is being replaced by other distractions like child support and divorce rape).
In fact, I theorize that the breakdown of monogamy and the family structure has led to many things like mass shootings.
The fact that I've remained "single" (not married) for so long has led me to discover many things about how our economy is set up and is putting me in a position to compete with elites on a grand scale.
If I was in a monogamous relationship or doomed to divorce/child support rape, I would not be able to do what I'm doing now.
[–]squidracer 1 point2 points3 points (7 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. I'm building my business right now and have a passive form of income already. I hate my current job, but I get paid well. I can literally quit whenever, but I've decided to push it out until I'm making loads of money.
I have no debt and tons of money saved up. I can quit whenever I want.
This is one of the benefits of being low SMV and not being tricked into marriage in my 20s like many of my high SMV brethren.
[–]Maikowski2 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]squidracer 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Nice. Sounds like your SMV is pretty high.
Overall, I'm okay with the way things are. Just trying to make a ton of money and go overseas in order to maximize my SMV.
[–]squidracer 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]skizzleshiver1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]DrippyskippyMonk0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]whitetrasharmageddon 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link