Red pill stuff if valid for both genders

Grand-Inspection2303 · 2023-06-27T16:38:54+00:00

Those are all things that seem like fairly reasonable and useful ideas. The problem is that's not the majority of the kind of content you hear most from regular internet Joes who identify with TRP. As such, I think this the brand is pretty much garbage, and people who advocate ideas like that should think of a different name.

AlmostKindaGreat · 2023-06-27T18:01:50+00:00

If all of RP was the kinds of things you mentioned, then yes.

If you keep reading Rational Male it becomes repetitive rage fuel about how terrible women are. I think there are some interesting insights in the first batch of articles, but eventually Rollo is just trying to keep guys coming back by serving up delicious righteous anger.

If you want to get out of the anger phrase I'd suggest stopping after Year One and even taking that with a grain of salt. There are other sources of info that are more actionable IMO and less likely to turn you into a super online bitter dude who doesn't talk to women IRL.

Opening_Tell9388 · 2023-06-27T16:17:18+00:00

I don't think RP men want women to be accountable, stoic, and self sufficient. As women are all those things at the moment. They have taken their freedom and lack of shackles and have ran straight through the hills. They are making their own money and not needing men to survive. RP men don't seem to really like women like this.

zyex12 · 2023-06-27T16:15:22+00:00

Yea I wouldn’t say the redpill way is the way even if it is they would have to completely reinvent it and start it off as something new cause redpill has already been pretty overran by a bunch of sexist and no one really wants to associate themselves with it. Even if rn the redpill group changed into some godly form of living and that would perfect humanity it’s been tainted with a bad image not enough people would want to follow it.

KayRay1994 · 2023-06-27T16:08:55+00:00

i mean…… if everybody follows the same ideology then that validates it by nature lol - still a funny post tbh, “hey women, if you accept your place as secondary to men, then the redpill will work!”

Wattehfok · 2023-06-27T20:23:50+00:00

The surface level terp stuff basically makes sense, and boils down to “have a little self-respect”.

It just gets more bonkers and misogynistic the further you go.

Kinda like how incels on the surface are “I feel hopelessly alienated from women, and it’s making me very sad and lonely”, before it devolves into phrenology.

AstronautLoveShack · 2023-06-27T20:39:25+00:00

Sorry, I don’t take advice from a movement that that thinks my 52-year old ass is the oldest child in the house.

eefr · 2023-06-27T17:33:10+00:00

If both genders applied a lot of this stuff (not all) it would make for the eglitarian relationship every feminist wants.

Thanks, but I'm doing just fine with my egalitarian relationship already. I don't need to add a bunch of sexist stereotypes to my life.

Also fuck stoicism, feel your damn feelings.

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Gravel_Roads · 2023-06-27T17:22:47+00:00

Yeah I’m not RP because I’ve been doing what I’m doing long long before it existed. And some of the subtext behind it is way too cringe (like “treat her like the oldest teenager” shit.)

But there is plenty of useful common sense stuff that might be PHRASED cringy but is still sane and useful.

The latter stuff, like “only text to set up in person meetings, not to chat or seek validation”, “I Am The Prize”, Nexting, “Amuse and Amplify” (awkward phrasing but the “yes, and” comedy genre is actually a great way to engage in banter.) All of these things would benefit women as well as men.

The part of TRP that makes it incompatible with women listening to it are all the parts that treat women like stupid cattle that have no agency. But that more comes from the culture around TRP than what TRP actually says. But the culture is kinda integral to the experience so you have a lot of garbage to sift through to get the useful stuff.

But yes. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, for sure

Phantom_Fizz · 2023-06-27T19:39:39+00:00

The thing is, these concepts already exist outside of redpill, and many are expanded upon by actual licensed professionals like relationship therapists. It's ok to have roles in a household that make sense based on the personality of the individuals in the home, and both need to be involved for this to work. No one disagrees with that. The issue with Redpill as a whole is that the founding fathers, influencers, and teachers of this ideology do not respect women. They call women whores and sluts, they call for men to date over seas and to date teenagers, they actively inform their male following how to manipulate and abuse their partners and uphold rape culture, and they wrote hateful hateful things about women. There are tons of women out there who are cool with traditional gender roles, as long as they get the choice and agency, and as long as they are respected. But a movement that calls women useless, weak, slutty, dumb, in need of a man to tell her what to do and what she wants and demands that she be sexually available and give all of herself is not appealing to women. It may not be how redpill started, but it is how it is now. And to ignore that or excuse that or to say "well that's not real redpill" isn't adding to the conversation or helping the cause. That's the front page of it. That's why it's not super appealing to female audience members. Fix that, and you have a good start. Maybe just branching off into a different thing that focuses on making the space safe and open to women is an option too.

Ikem32 · 2023-06-28T00:56:06+00:00

A woman is not a man and vice versa. Red pill teaches you the differences between the sexes. It teaches you it from a male perspective. But it tries (and for me succeeds) to teach it in the most objective way it can.

Highonuppers · 2023-06-28T01:26:59+00:00

As a woman I dont necessarily disagree in all things with RP, but I have come across some men influencers that you have mentioned in podcasts who are very degrading, then all the bootlickers in the comments parroting the same shit, that why the RP has a bad rep.

Personally, I don’t like the trad roles arrangement, I would be bored to dead due the lack of mental stimulation. If it works for some couples that’s great.

Title	Red pill stuff if valid for both genders
Author	faery_under_the_bush
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Date	June 27, 2023 4:03 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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