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MillionDollarOctopus · 2020-10-20T12:27:49+00:00

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No, it's not. "Probably" means there's some significant probability, usually greater than 51%, that something is true.

You can't extract a true life probability from a simple set of assumptions about the facts.

You want to list the amount of speculation? Let's do it, for your own edification:

"Yeah" -- assumption that the girl is being called out, implying it was righteous.
That the girl's father is, in fact, "great".
That her "great" father means she must have no legitimate basis for her hatred or her lack of relationship with her father.
That the friend knows all of the above to be true.
But, because they've been friends "since childhood":
The friend "just deals" with the absurdity of her friend's father hatred cum man hatred.

Those are six unqualified and unproven assumptions, the more of which are made, the less likely OP is to be right.

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My buddy is a plumber he had to fix a toilet at an all female gym. When they called they requested a female plumber (lmao) got real upset that they didn’t have one available. They accused them of discrimination. The plumbers apologized told them to call around and gave them a low quote.

They called back and said they changed their mind and needed them to come out ASAP. When he got there they erected temporary walls around him when they realized that he’d need to move around the gym there was a guy that followed him with a towel shielding him from the women in the gym and apologizing for his presences in the gym.

Yeah. You read that right. Now to be fair I think the guy manager of the girls gym is the bonehead not the actual gym goers.

My buddy just got a kick out of the whole situation. The fact that females don’t desire to even be plumbers was apparently out of the realm of reality for this guy and a guy shielding another guy with a towel to block him so that the females don’t see a guy seemed like a great idea.

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I have. It's insane. My point is that it wasn't like these other groups just took it over. They were used as "allies" to make a bunch more noise. But they thought that at least they would stay on topic with blm. They didn't. Then they took it over. They wanted them there to begin with, then they got too big to shut down. And I support equal rights. But BLM created this mess. And it's a shame. They had a moment of everyone's attention and could have done so much to spread a positive message to youth. To stop violence. To respect education. To respect community. All they did was say that white man bad and he must pay. How the fuck was that ever going to succeed in the first place? The leaders pushed people away instead of working with them. Taught every they were victims and that every citizen who wasn't like them was the villain. It was a cluster fuck to begin with. Like de blasio painting BLM in front of trump tower. Like how the hell did that help black people? How did that help the cause? I hate seeing all of this finger pointing and blaming. We all need to clean up our own backyards before we start complaining that the neighbors is a mess.

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Right. So, again, I’m not saying that this is or isn’t a joke. I don’t have Twitter. I don’t know. I’m just saying that using these two girls as evidence that ‘kill all men’ is always used seriously 100% of the time is insane.

Never has anyone one of them has have mentioned that it was a joke unless provoked

Do you explain that all your jokes are jokes when you tell them?

which is dumb btw because its literally hard to tell to ANYONE

I don’t know what this means.

joke can be used to influence others

Again, if you believe this, doesn’t that mean that we should stop comedians from telling certain jokes out of fear that they might influence thousands of people in a bad way? I’m not advocating for that, I’m just pointing out why your argument makes no sense.

Comedians are funny

Subjective. A lot of them suck.

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Soo you agree it shouldn't be encouraged to say such a bad joke or what? I never said to fucking censor them but okay sure twist my words. My point was really simple. Objectively the joke is just garbage and im not even being biased here. I like getting sexist jokes towards men(because they can be funny). Its reeeealllly simple to understand that the hate and influence it spreads FARRRRRR out weigh the punchline itself and i mean it. This isn't something as simple as "sure but that's only to able to make the joke and it doesn't necessarily have to appeal to anyone" but you don't get it the fucking punchline is "kill all men" the point of it is to spread hate in a "innocent" looking manner by saying its a joke.Here you are trying to make a point but you don't see that your over looking too much. Until you experience more of the same people saying this idiotic of a joke yourself, i could give less of shit what you have to say anymore. Also be sure to check those same peoples profiles, really tells a lot about them(by that i mean bio in reddit,Twitter,etc i know ive seen 90% ish of them having "men are trash 💅" or "Acab" .

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Ahoy lightninja101! Nay bad but me wasn't convinced. Give this a sail:

Soo ye agree it shouldn't be encouraged t' cry such a bad joke or what? me nary said t' fucking censor 'em but okay sure twist me words. Me point be verily simple. Objectively thar joke be just garbage n' im nay even being biased here. me like getting sexist jokes towards men(because they can be funny). Its reeeealllly simple t' understand that thar hate n' influence it spreads FARRRRRR out weigh thar punchline itself n' me mean it. Dis be not something as simple as "sure but that be only t' able t' make thar joke n' it doesn't necessarily have t' appeal t' anyone" but ye don't get it thar fucking punchline be "keelhaul all men" thar point o' it be t' spread hate in a "innocent" looking manner by saying its a joke.Here ye be trying t' make a point but ye don't see that yer o'er looking too much. Until ye experience more o' thar same scallywags saying dis idiotic o' a joke yourself, me could give less o' shiver me timbers what ye have t' cry anymore. Also be sure t' check those same peoples profiles, verily tells a lot about 'em(by that me mean bio in reddit,Twitter,etc me know ive seen 90% ish o' 'em having "men be trash 💅" or "Acab" .

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Soo you agree it shouldn’t be encouraged to say such a bad joke or what? I never said to fucking censor them...

Isn’t that contradictory?

Regardless, I agree with you dude, chill. I’m genuinely sorry if I was too harsh or pissed you off or something. I’m just trying to have a healthy discussion about it. Seriously, sorry :)

Here’s my stance:

I think all jokes should be allowed to told.
However, if the joke is used to incite violence, crime etc. then I am against it.
From what you’re saying, it sounds like the majority of people are using ‘kill all men’ as a serious attempt to demean, or worse, encourage physical damage to men.
And so of course I am against that too.
You could even argue that the (few?) people using it as a joke are normalising the idea behind the joke.
I’m also against that.

If I suggested otherwise I apologise and admit that I was wrong :)

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You said it’s a joke, but when saying it (or similar) against a group such as LGBT, it would not be OK, because they’re oppressed. Why would they take a joke seriously and then find it hurtful if it was just a joke? They wouldn’t (most of them, there’s always a few in every group that can’t take a joke).
This means you’re either saying it’s a joke and that all LGBT people can’t handle jokes as well as straight men can because they’re more fragile for some reason, or it’s not a joke and so you’re allowed to say it towards straight men because they deserve to be taken down a peg. I.e. Used as a tool for oppression. It can’t be both so I assumed the latter.

Personally I think these two girls meant it as a joke and I have no problem with that. It’s your non-existent logic that I have problem with. But, and I mean this sincerely, we all make mistakes, we all have gaps in our knowledge and we can’t think everything through all of the time. So I have nothing against you as a person and wish you the best regardless :)

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who would be granted child custody?

The woman.

guess who'll have to fight for custody? guess who has to pay child support & alimony?

The man.

guess which way the bias swings in rape lawsuits?

Against the man.

Gee golly! By Jove, you’re right. You got me. We do live in an unequal society. But any legal inequality is always against men. Not against women.

My original thought was more like: “Name one legal right men have that women don’t have”. There is none. However as you pointed out there are plenty of examples of legal right women have that men don’t.

But I’m confused as to why you would use that in arguing for feminism, because what are they gonna do about it? Jack shit. They sure as hell ain’t gonna lift a finger to help any man ever. Never have, never will. Their whole purpose is to benefit women at the expense of men. If anything it’s their movement that caused this inequality. They went past equality and instead of disbanding they kept pushing for oppression of men.

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feminism swings both ways because equality swings both ways
Activism does not translate to legislation, and while there are intersocial changes that we need, you cannot have a politically actionable platform for those changes.
That is why real feminists are first and foremost proponents of the Equal Rights Amendment. It has been ratified by 38 states, minus some hick states that have predictably regressed and revoked their ratification.

The Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) is a proposed amendment to the United States Constitution designed to guarantee equal legal rights for all American citizens regardless of sex. It seeks to end the legal distinctions between men and women in matters of divorce, property, employment, and other matters

Any "feminist" that's vocal against the ERA is not one, and arguing against codifying equality into our Constitution is, ironically, un-American.

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That’s cute, but a practically unknown sect is not the issue. Feminism is.

[Feminism

/ˈfɛmɪnɪz(ə)m/*

The advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.](https://www.lexico.com/definition/feminism) (Oxford dictionary)

It’s about benefiting women. Advocating the rights of women.

The only thing it has to do with equality is that it’s based on the idea that the sexes are equal.

Notice that this is the assumption on which it’s based, not the goal. And that assumption is fundamentally flawed, because women and men are naturally unequal. Men are stronger, smarter and more driven but women can bear children and have better color vision, among many differences. So basing your ideas on a flawed assumption makes the idea flawed to begin with.

Egalitarianism on the other hand has equality as a goal, not as a base assumption. And it’s about equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.

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Yeah, but because he is a racist cunt, we know that he's not doing this in good faith. Even if he is right on this particular issue, he's not championing it for the RIGHT reason.

I can be "against sexism", but only because it gives me an opportunity to "get back" at women sjw's, but then turn a blind eye when I see a woman getting discriminated against.

I can be "against terrorism", but only because I'm a racist who doesn't like brown people and it gives me an opportunity to antagonize people like Muslims, but then turn a blind eye when White Nationalists and far-right extremists do an act of terrorism.

See the problem here?

Oh yeah, he's also an asshole for spraying people while live streaming so not exactly a role model of a human being here just because "YEAH MAN, HE'S OWNING THE FEMINAZI HE'S ALL ABOUT TRUE EQUALITY"

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Even if we don't know his reasons, we can be a little bit tact, and make an inference about why that would be, which I trust that you are able to do so.

As for arguments "standing on their own" I would agree to an extent, I do think it's important to know the position it is coming from.

You could make the argument that the average White person in America has a higher IQ than the average Black person does and that would be factually true. It's important to know why the argument is being made because there are multiple ways to interpret that statement, I know I don't need to delve into it.

Because we are talking about societal issues, arguments can have many different implications and that's why it would be important to distinguish from where it's coming from. You don't just hear someone say something, and then decide that you would align yourself with that person saying it just because you both agree with the same statement.

As for "you can only agree with the most pure infallible person", I humbly disagree. There's nuance to the world; not everything is black or white, and not everything is to be relegated to the extremes.

YOU choose where to draw the line to the extent you agree to something. Like I said, that requires nuance.

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Title	There it is
Author	MillionDollarOctopus
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Date	October 20, 2020 12:27 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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