AWALT: Conversation with sweet elderly granny type gets real depressing, real quick

kanaduhisfruityeh · 2014-11-20T04:36:05+00:00

People always got married and especially stayed married for practical reasons. Forget that fairytale foolishness.

RedBigMan · 2014-11-20T05:42:26+00:00

Her: "But, I didn't know anyone better. And I didn't think I'd find anyone."

BAM! That's the key to a successful marriage (or LTR) it's to make sure you are her best VIABLE option at any given time. This is what many people consider 'passive dread game'. You keep in shape, you do what you want, you don't take shit and she'll stay because she'll always remain loyal to her best option.

Now there may be other options but they have to remain non-viable options (married, out of their league, etc...)

2comment · 2014-11-20T04:55:56+00:00

Yeah, there was an article posted a while back on reddit iirc (not TRP specifically), I think of a 100 year old, or perhaps a 90 year old woman, that lived through WW2, had multiple husbands and several lovers that talked the same way. Wish I could find it.

The older they get, the less they even pretend any of that romantic shit and become more upfront on what they want. This is where MILFs often come in, although they mostly scare away any remaining beta bux, and blast any harboring delusions these men have away, and just get a bit more alpha fux without committment. It was Audrey Hepburn or some old time actress that reminisced most about the right good fucking one of her friends with benefits gave her rather than anything else.

The feminine spirit always was and always will be destructive to itself and others around it when running free. They cannot build shit, complain that shirts keeps them from STEM (but go on slutwalks "to wear what I want yo!"), and even run all-female companies into the ground through sheer drama of the sisterhood. But, according to mainstream TV and morning shows, I'm supposed to believe they are the magical, great organizing and civilizing force in nature. So when society degrades, it's not that women have changed, but the men that groveled, submitted, succumbed or converted, becoming feminized themselves in thought and action.

This is why TRP is and always was about self-improvement, not on how things should be in society. Because it starts at you and me.

Flaye2 · 2014-11-20T05:14:06+00:00

People are only as loyal as their options.

Of course then we get to the bit where women generally are more valued both biologically and societal, therefore women are less loyal than men.

Padre55 · 2014-11-20T06:46:53+00:00

Men are the romantics, women are the hamster driven Ferrari's.

When a man shows virtually ANY superior quality to other men, prepare to be commented upon, disparaged (though she is really just wanting sex and your time), pounced upon, excused for whatever Dark Triad thing you did in general to her, or anyone.

THAT is the essence of Beta Bux, Alpha Fucks in the world.

One caveat is, have to keep the Disney Stuff going to allow for the "your fault" hamster. For better or worse, men deal with delusional females who say one thing, think one thing, then do the exact opposite physically.

Learn it, live it, come to love it, Gentlemen

FLFTW16 · 2014-11-20T10:31:56+00:00

Would you want to live in a world where women took the first piece of shit man that walked by and stayed with him because--well, can we even come up with a reason why? Hell no!

Hypergamy in small doses is natural and healthy, in men and women. It's when there is no end in sight, when they are always looking to upgrade no matter the circumstances, when it's a problem.

Women can upgrade on mates early in life, men can upgrade later in life. Every time they upgrade they lose value, though, because that is one additional cock that's been inside of them. In contrast, every time you upgrade your value increases.

If you are still keeping score, we have it much better in life. I would much rather be a man than a woman.

Tumau · 2014-11-20T04:25:29+00:00

I've had conversations with my great grandmother, in her nineties, about her dead husband, my great grandfather. He slept around, but he always provided. He led a life that would turn into three generations and over a dozen blood offspring.

As much as I disagree with marriage I don't see myself living my life without being the rock for a woman our children and some point.

JohnGalt316 · 2014-11-20T04:09:25+00:00

you got two choices:

be superior
make her feel inferior aka the dark triad

myschadenfreude · 2014-11-20T12:24:40+00:00

Now with Faceboo, Instagram, Tumblr, smartphones, online dating etc. etc. it is just so easy to "just look" and bam she's off onto new and exciting.

Stop being surprised. Stop putting your eggs in one basket. Stop looking to others for validation. Start being your own man and only you can answer what that looks like.

TL;DR: These hypergamy posts are a broken record. Wake up. Take control of your own life you are the only person you can count on and if your not ready to count on yourself you are done before you begin.

AntixD · 2014-11-20T06:18:23+00:00

accept reality,destroy all delusions

foldpak111 · 2014-11-20T14:34:34+00:00

I remember some documentary about marriage where they were interviewing two newly weds in their 40s. She blatantly said, 'well the other guy said he was in love with me, but I didn't see a ring' as she hangs off some betas arm like a leech. The funniest part was the look on the guys face like he was lucky or something. Kinda reminded me of the 'Murica' look Christians get when they talk to a service member. Fuckin hilarious.

Labore_Et_Constantia · 2014-11-20T14:16:48+00:00

I actually made a video on this yesterday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD_qan1piQ8

Not buying ANYTHING older generations tell me about "love," maybe the man actually believes it, here is why women stayed: No POF No FB No IG No Smart Phones No 1000+ matches in a night that you KNOW you could tree branch to

Which is also why putting any faith in a relationship nowadays is laughable, you're simply not calculating odds properly.

RedPillSafe · 2014-11-20T14:36:20+00:00

Frightening isn't it?

Even the seemingly sweet little old lady is the same as all other women.

At least with Marriage 1.0 the thought of divorce was much more terrifying to women so it padded your SMV by a few points and kept 95% of marriages successful. But even in Marriage 1.0 the underlying female hypergamy was in effect.

Dread is the ONLY thing that creates a solid marriage. Sad but true.

EurasianAesthetics · 2014-11-20T12:03:23+00:00

Why do so many guys obsess over marriage on this forum? Why do you want a girl for life? Lame. Just have a girl until it runs its course, then move onto the next. There are so many BEAUTIFUL women out there both in personality and soul, and biology is giving you a hint here: that it's ok to try many of them out over the course of a lifetime. Learn something from each one and enjoy the process of fresh love again and again.

caesarfecit · 2014-11-20T18:55:00+00:00

I don't find her story horrifying. I find it honest.

Nobody is ever 100% satisfied in a marriage, it's impossible. So of course she's going to have doubts and wonder on occasion if the grass is greener.

What makes women of her generation different from today is she didn't leave. Why? Because she knew she already was ahead of the curve and she believed she had made good on her sexual market value. Why throw away a good thing for the highly uncertain possibility of a better thing?

What feminism did to change this was to tell women they could and should have their cake and eat it too. That they deserved a man who was alpha as fuck and loved them to pieces, even if they were a mediocre woman. And our fucked-up societal expectations, hordes of white knights, and a biased family law system have entrenched those delusional expectations.

We can rail against hypergamy all we want, it's still going to be a fundamental element of female psychology. We should applaud this woman for being able to rise above her basic emotional greed and commit to a marriage for the long haul, and having the integrity to be honest. That it wasn't easy, the temptation to seek out the bigger, better deal never totally goes away, and that her decision to stay married was in some ways a sacrifice.

This woman isn't a horror story, she's proof that it isn't "All Women Are Like That", that it's really "All Women Can Do That". RedPill is supposed to be not having any delusions or believing feminist/white knight bullshit. It shouldn't be about being disgusted by women for being women. The latter attitude is what fuels the haters. Why are we giving them validation?

MattAmoroso · 2014-11-20T12:43:05+00:00

This is a result of millions of years of evolution, not a few decades of cultural changes.

exit_sandman · 2014-11-20T14:48:55+00:00

Her: "I didn't think i'd find another man who didn't drink, smoke, or gamble, and who would be as nice to me."

Me: (stunned at the blatant hypergamy, this sweet little moment is coming to a screeching halt) "Wait....so you would have left him if you found someone better?"

Her: "But, I didn't know anyone better. And I didn't think I'd find anyone." She said this so naturally! No shame, no embarrassment. This wasn't like a guilty confession, it was just part of the story.

Where's the problem? Do you think women married back in the 60s because they desired their husbands?

It may have played a role, but ultimately they married providers who if you were lucky were decent men on top of that, and your granny here was happy with that. Probably because she never tasted the honey, so to speak. And in fact, she actually appreciated the guy for having these qualities mentioned above, which is a far cry from these days.

648262 · 2014-11-20T09:16:47+00:00

Men get lucky and women settle down.

It's a tale as old as mankind. Exactly the same age to be specific.

shuritsen · 2014-11-20T15:27:20+00:00

Love is what happens when you think you can't do any better

Kozen117 · 2014-11-20T18:20:55+00:00

This sweet little old lady telling me about her fucking heroic husband... and it turns out they ONLY stayed together because she didn't think she could do better.

I think this is largely due to the fact that in the old lady's time, communication was still in its infancy. Sure we had phones and hand-written letters, but for the most part, you couldn't meet people as easily as you could today. She just couldn't get noticed by the alpha males.

Nowadays, women can get attention from almost any guy just through a click of a button on their computers. This solidifies their idea that they CAN find someone else. That they CAN leave their beta husband. This is probably one of the main reasons why divorce rates are higher than ever (other than feminism).

cover20 · 2014-11-20T16:38:57+00:00

If you get a family oriented woman (asians generally are, not to say non-asians necessarily aren't) she may keep the family together for the kids.

It's insanity to keep competing with other men to be the "best" for your wife once you're married. Some people here say you have to do that. I simply refuse. Fuck that. I'll be the best for me, the best for the kids, I'll do what I want to do, I'll keep my promises to my wife but I will not try to ensure I remain her best option. She said she wasn't going to have options going forward, in a solemn ceremony. I expect her to keep her word, as I've kept mine. And despite the astronomical level of shit tests, she's remained bound by it.

And I am not responsible to stop her shit tests. She is an adult. If she is an asshole, then she is an asshole. I won't own it. I am watching my kids turn into naturals (I never was) before my eyes, because they see such obvious female behavior from their mother, and I can explain a bit here and there.

Once the family is launched I think I'll be more than ready to launch too, so I don't know what happens then and don't really care.

R4F1 · 2014-11-20T14:57:06+00:00

Hypergamy is a natural instinct. No one goes out into the world thinking "I want to marry someone poorer, shorter, uglier" then me. This is true for men and women, to different degrees. What's problematic is modern day serial-hypergamy or "branch swinging" where a woman just hops from one dick to another without any thought of fidelity.

The granny didn't seem to suggest anything improper imo. Marriage was never about "love". Whether it be arranged marriage, a marriage where one partner proposes to the other or her family, or even a marriage between two fighting tribes/monarchies as a political gesture. Its about fidelity. The whole "love and romance" shit is what ruined modern minds the past 100 or 200 years, and its the realization of that failure that's turned people into what they've become today. Boys read about love so they become Betas, whereas girls read about love then realize its not working so they turn towards their materialistic side to devour Betas or turn towards their sexual side with Alphas.

There is no such thing as "true love". There is only fidelity. Fidelity is true love. End of story.

HyperSpaceKush · 2014-11-20T15:40:31+00:00

I always wondered how my grandparents got married at 17 in 1966, had my father 6 months later in 1967, and are still together in 2014. My nana was a good looking lady back in the day with more than one potential suitor. Then one day my dad told me that my grandpa may have had one or more affairs back in the day. Fucking dread game: Works now, worked in the 70's, will still work in 2070.

jcslzr · 2014-11-20T15:41:56+00:00

women are designed for this, is the way nature survives

is the same reason you still desire other women even if you already are with one, you may not cheat or be with them but is something you have to fight

the same instinct is with women to be with the best man, even if they already have a relationship

women have hypergamy, men polygamy, civilised people suppress those need but they are there

this is exactly like an old men talking about how he had a plate on his younger years, that would not mean he did not loved his wife

CryptoManbeard · 2014-11-20T18:10:58+00:00

This board is always talking about Alphas, Betas, Gammas, etc etc.

In nature, the king of the jungle gets tested his entire life. As soon as he can't stay on top he gets kicked out of the pride and another guy screws all of his chicks and eats his babies.

In the wolf pack, the Alpha gets tested his entire life, as soon as he loses his edge he loses his woman and has to go find another lady somewhere else and start all over from scratch.

We're all animals...

mordanus · 2014-11-20T18:41:20+00:00

I had a similar conversation with my own mother about red pill stuff but a different topic. I had serious doubts about women loving bad boys. I felt that only the broken women loved bad boys and that if I was a good guy I'd only attract good women. Anyways I was talking to my mom about some red pill stuff (kind of as a test, hoping to disprove it)and she just started agreeing with it and saying how "There's just something special about a bad boy." That moment was a defining moment for me and red pill ideas. All women are like that. No woman can resist the bad boys. Thinking back to how strongly I clung to false ideas fills me with regret.

CptConfused · 2014-11-21T01:27:04+00:00

The thing about our modern times is, the woman can do better if she just divorces. She gets all the money and property, leaves the man. What if she'd had that option

svogliate · 2014-11-21T03:17:47+00:00

Dude. Take a pointer from the matter-of-fact way this lady laid out the truth for you. Was she depressed about it? No. She knows damn well how the world works and is past getting bent out of shape about it. Sometimes old ladies even get past the point where they feel like they have to hide it.

Know how the world works. Discard your expectations and wishes about how the world ought to work. They're your handicap. Reality is never your handicap.

RPL23 · 2014-11-20T18:24:53+00:00

that whole "live by the sword, die by the sword"?

applies to nostalgia as well.

SuperSlavisWife · 2014-11-20T10:55:20+00:00

Do you really think she never, ever met another hotter, kinder man who didn't smoke, drink or gamble? I can think of a number of her generation off the top of my head and they're the ones still kicking who I personally know.

When a woman marries a guy she's obsessed over, she becomes insular and after a while the husband-goggles grow. Dual effect, 1: she views other men through the lens of her husband and 2: she doesn't know as many men. This was efficient in the days of good media, when she'd marry or at least find her partner as a virgin teenager. Less efficient in the days of man-hating grrl-power media when a woman won't marry until she has ten to fifteen years of boyfriends behind her.

favours_of_the_moon · 2014-11-20T13:49:39+00:00

Definitely something around which to wrap your mind.

Forty_Deuce · 2014-11-20T17:35:17+00:00

Hypergamy is a part of life. Period. The only difference is that back in the day, marriage was taken more seriously. My aunt would have loved to divorce my uncle. For a good 20 years she didn't talk to him because she was just sick of him. And even after that, she slept in the bedroom, and he slept downstairs on the couch. It was a different time. You got married and you stayed with that person.

leftajar · 2014-11-20T18:18:07+00:00

Okay, guys... before we run around saying the sky is falling, remember this:

As she ages, her SMV drops. As we age, assuming we're smart and growth-oriented, our SMV might even increase. That SMV gap will prevent her from leaving.

bakbakgoesherthroat · 2014-11-20T18:36:56+00:00

Women just don't have the sense of honor and commitment that we have. Take it or leave it.

BlackHeart89 · 2014-11-20T20:36:30+00:00

Damn that. I'm never getting married unless its some common law thing. And thats only after I decide to just settle down and find a chick with whom can keep me company in my old age.

I'm not for guarding my woman. She's either mine or she isn't. If someone comes along that out Alphas me, then whatever. Guess I'll be hunting for a new plate...

oldredder · 2014-11-23T23:18:28+00:00

And this is why we should listen to our elders (much older than me, I mean) and heed the golden age. The golden age wasn't magically better, just people didn't all sugar-coat shit, told you how it was and you were better off for it even if it pissed you off.

But do i really want to spend 50 years trying to make sure my woman never thinks she could do better? How much effort is that? How much risk? Could it POSSIBLY be worth it? I just don't see a scenario where this makes sense.

If it was only other men (hypergamy) then by all means we should not be concerned because those of us who are higher value can continue to be so she knows she can't do better but that's not all. With the newer divorce convention for fun, cash & prizes she can get your kids and your money without finding a new man so unless she's lonely for you rather than your money she can keep herself company with cats, your kids with her, your future income cut in half, half your assets you earned while married and have no other man.

If she finds another man after, bonus for her, if not, still got kids & money.

So the equation's been re-balanced a bit since 50 years ago.

2014-11-20T06:39:22+00:00

I've been almost looking at it as a challenge. The biggest challenge a man will ever face in our western world. And after being bitten and spending an entire year reading, learning, and gaming I think one day I may try again.

I'm sure to fail but I have so many ideas to try out. And I know to always take care of me first now. That restrained selfishness. Maybe I can do it?

Spinning plates is always an acceptable alternative now though. I even sometimes think about going MGTOW. Honestly I think that these other thoughts keep women from being able to pull me into ONEitis even if they whisper "I love you" in your ear after a night of sex.

Could I marry this person? Ha no. Cause honestly I'd really just MGTOW it out. I can get married in Skyrim now plate.

TVTestPattern · 2014-11-20T09:41:45+00:00

moral of the story?

Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks. Treat em all like shit.

Title	AWALT: Conversation with sweet elderly granny type gets real depressing, real quick
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Date	November 20, 2014 4:05 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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