Brock Turner

omgimbackagain · 2016-06-08T20:57:36+00:00

This is front page news in Australia. Has been for the last 3 days.

No mention of this happening everyday in Europe from migrants they are paying for, or woman been kidnapped in Africa used as sex slaves then ostracized from their social groups when they return. Finally they have their rich white rapist to present at the alter of social justice. Doesn't matter that UVA/Duke and countless others where bullshit. They finally have one that fits the narrative to beat it into the ground.

It would be laughable if it wasn't so insane.

wantonton · 2016-06-08T21:36:08+00:00

One of the things that many people fail to understand is the difference between "black out drunk" and "pass out drunk."

To be clear, as the facts for this case are hard to come by, I don't know what happened. What I do know is that the girl claims not to be able to remember anything about the events. I'm going to assume the girl is being honest about her inability to remember. So, that means she was likely either black out drunk or pass out drunk. The difference is huge.

As most people know, and as everyone should know, alcohol is a depressant. It shuts down the brain. The more you drink the more the brain is shut down. Drink enough the shut down is involuntary and uncontrollable. For most people, the shut down is consistent across all portions of the brain including memory, speech, cognition and motor skills. People will begin swaying when standing, slurring their words and have to visibly concentrate to understand and decide all at the same time (or within a very few minutes of each other.) They will, more or less, progress in lock step until the person cannot stand, cannot effectively communicate and cannot effectively understand what is happening. If enough has been drunk this will progress to involuntary catatonia/passing out. If they can't effectively walk, or effectively speak, they can't effective decide/understand enough to consent (standards may differ by jurisdiction). This is passing out drunk.

Blacking out is something different. It occurs when the brain does not shut down uniformly. For some reason, some people are prone to having only their higher order brain functions shutting down initially. Functions such as long term memory function and critical analysis. Otherwise, the brain and the body continue relatively unaffected. This means a person can be far more drunk than they appear. If fact, it can be even more deceiving than that. Where as most people learn to look for lethargy/slowing down as symptoms of drunkenness, people who are blacking out usually appear more animated and energetic because their critical analysis (think social filters and inhibitions have been turned off). So, when a person is black out drunk, it is quite possible he/she is willingly and enthusiastically engaging in behavior he/she would normally never do and there is no sign he/she is drunk. Short term memory may be working quite well. In fact, it may appear as though he/she is absolutely not drunk at all given the animation and ability to hold conversations. However, he/she is extremely drunk if the long term memory is turned off and they won't remember a thing. And, eventually that alcohol will effect the rest of the brain and likely do so in a rush. Where usually, most people slip into a passed out state over a period of time where they are obviously getting more and more drowsy, people who are blacking out just drop, rapidly, into a passed out state.

So, it is possible the girl in question was black out drunk and enthusiastically engaging in whatever with Brock. Then, mid whatever, or shortly thereafter she passed out. If so, I don't think that's even remotely rape because he'd have had no indication she was too intoxicated to consent.

FrozenSoil · 2016-06-08T19:07:17+00:00

What's being minimized is his being placed on the sex offender registry.

That's a life sentence to hell.

JoeJackJohnson · 2016-06-08T18:25:27+00:00

As a paralegal, I'm not allowed to render legal advice....but don't fuck a drunk chick, don't finger bang a drunk chick, don't grab her titties, don't even put yourself in a situation that someone may think you banged a drunk chick...I don't give a fuck if Scarlett Johansen just had a sip of Bud Light and is dry humping your micro penis and soaking through her panties...just don't...

The truth is, the story of what actually happened will never be heard.

dabrah1 · 2016-06-08T20:27:18+00:00

I don't like to comment on things unless I was actually there. No one knows what actually happened that night except Brock, and he'll obviously lie through his teeth to get out of jail. The most damning evidence is the eyewitness accounts. Even if they were having consensual intercourse before she passed out, once she was unconscious he should have fucking stopped, and he didn't.

Zachar1a · 2016-06-09T00:17:20+00:00

Not a comment on this particular case at all, but criminal sentencing never made any sense to me. Murder can get you 7 years, or it used to, but having 50 marijuana plants means a life sentence. It's all over the map.

favours_of_the_moon · 2016-06-09T21:53:31+00:00

Cue the ultimate weapon of the SJW: BULLYING.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/06/08/judge-in-stanford-sexual-assault-case-family-targeted-with-threatening-phone-calls/

“I hope you die and your family gets raped, things of that nature,” Goodman told NBC News. “You’ve got to be out of your mind to talk that way.”

“The fact that people are calling his courtroom and threatening him and his family, hoping that he dies badly… I mean that’s just ridiculous,” Goodman told CBS News.

MethodicalRedman · 2016-06-08T19:29:06+00:00

It's safe to say this guy is a skeevy rachet ass of a human. From a stoic Machiavellian standpoint, taking advantage of a woman undermines all the time, effort and game we are all aware are necessary for proper seduction. Rapists create divisiveness between the sexes. From a standpoint of empathy, he took away the autonomy she has over her body, something that would make anyone feel like shit. It goes against the founding principles of this country and civil society to feel yourself forcibly entitled to someone else's liberty.

This guy knew he was wrong from the second he was caught in the act and started to run away. He was self aware of his actions and thus was able to process guilt and wrongdoing enough to try to make a break for it. He was probably wasted, but no matter how wasted one gets certain boundaries of behavior have to be acknowledged and adhered to. Whether the act was consensual at first doesn't legitimize what he did, it's creepy as fuck to finger a passed out woman you just met. Like just know that shit. Yeah he didn't pull out his dick but we can't draw lines depending on what acts were committed. If a gay dude fingered your drunk ass some night, you sure as hell would want some serious sentencing for that mofo, not for him to get off easy since 3rd base doesn't count.

She was stupid for getting that drunk and when you are passed out in public you are likely to get robbed, injured, sick, etc. But realistically the only thing someone deserves for being a sloppy drunken mess in our civilized society is a wicked hangover the next day. She was assaulted because a skeevy dude saw an opportunity to take advantage of the situation.

In college I saw dumb drunk bitches wobbling around a moment away from hugging pavement on several occasions. Never saw such as a sexual invite, plain and simple. Never saw it as my problem to deal with either. The mental disconnect for this guy to see this girl as a prime hookup over girls who were still partying, dancing and having a good time goes to show the sinister, creepy, and weak mindset of the rapist rather than a well functioning human being fit for society.

favours_of_the_moon · 2016-06-08T18:04:46+00:00

Details of the case are oddly hard to find as well.

That's what makes it strange to me.

Put it this way, there are many contradictory reports. One says they walked together and laid down by a dumpster. Then the woman reporter on TheLiptv says he "dragged her behind the dumpster."

I've also heard that she was willing to let it go if he apologized, but that he lawyered up.

I think that in general, these cases are stings. The Rolling Stone case being the obvious example. It's like COINTELPRO has sunk to a new low. Get information on 50-100 of these cases and find out what the common denominator is among these young men. Are they being targeted?

But of course, that doesn't mean that legit actual rapes don't occur. It's a sad situation for both sides. BUT, the coverage is there, the headlines and the media is there. This case either "fits the narrative" or it's being MADE to fit the narrative. But like you said, what ACTUALLY HAPPENED is hard to say...

blackheartx · 2016-06-10T19:43:41+00:00

Well, several red flags were witnessed, if he had no malicious intent, he would have a) Helped her up, called for help. b) Took her phone, called a friend. c) Went back to the party to ask for help. The fact that she was naked, and his pants are on screams that he undid her garments and had the intent to penetrate her, with his fingers or not he violated her. Whether or not she began hooking up with him is in fact irrelevant, once she was no longer conscious, which trust me you would know even if you are really drunk, it is over, no more end of story.

Edit: Words.

ashurrutia · 2016-06-09T08:27:02+00:00

I just found out about this late and what I see is posters on other forums basking in their self righteousness. The aftermath and effects of this is exactly what the SJW's, feminist, Left wing liberal were looking for. They now have a poster boy for their narrative that they can point to and yell "SEE, SEE, WE WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG!" The "we were right attitude" coming from some of these posters are sickening. It's ALMOST as if they are glad this happened just so their narrative was proven right. This case alone is enough to justify what they have been preaching since Duke Lacrosse and UVA, and even more so make Duke/UVA the isolated anomaly. This case will be shoved in the public's face for years and guilty until proven innocent will be the new norm.

This is what Sabrina Rubin Early and Rolling Stone was looking for: A rich white kid going to a prestigious, rich school that supported the massive rape crisis happening on privileged campuses. If you're a male going to college and reading this, PLEASE BE CAREFUL! This case is paving the way for the next big college witch hunt.

furiousmat · 2016-06-09T22:16:16+00:00

I'm not really sure where's the room for doubt here. The guy was having sex with a passed out woman on the ground behind a dumpster and ran off when he was seen, leaving the victim on the ground like a piece of trash, bruised and naked. I mean what more proof than being flagrantly caught in the act do you need to make up your mind?

"Maybe she started hooking up". So what. Even if she did. Everyone with a brain knows that there's a level of intoxication that makes even seemingly explicit consent invalid. A woman so drunk that she just stays passed out as the guy who was fucking her stands up and takes off and as she's carried to a hospital would kinda qualify, don't you think? Especially under such ungracious circumstances as being fucked on the ground in way as to bruise the woman's bare ass on the ground as she sleeps.

There is no doubt here. There was no consent in any legal sense. So that's 100% rape.

Now I guess there could've been circumstances under which this type of college party slip could reasonnably end up with a 6 month sentence. Like a case where the kid's repentent, in which there was plausible grounds for confusion I mean... A case where the kid is technically guilty but morally, probably not. Here we have the case of a kid who obviously doesn't understand shit about what he's done, as evidenced by his repeated blaming of alcohol. And the reasons given by the judge to give him a light sentence are just retarded : oh it would ruin his life. Well too bad. Just had to watch wtf he was doing.

redpillnobody · 2016-06-08T18:09:44+00:00

tldr: He fingerbanged some drunk broad behind a dumpster outside of a frat house

I still don't understand how he got 3 counts of sexual assault like wtf did he do, use three fingers?

pro tip: don't fingerbang girls who are passed out in fucking public

kozi88 · 2016-06-08T18:06:16+00:00

This is actually a very good point. The media leads us to believe that he's undeniably some monster without giving any hard facts; always do your own research and form your own opinions.

neonoir · 2016-06-08T21:59:21+00:00

I find it disturbing that almost every comment I've heard or read does not show any awareness of the difference between sexual assault [or even sexual assault with intent to rape] and rape, how there are different penalties for each, what the typical penalties would be for his actual charges in that state, and how that plays into this verdict.

thetotalpackage7 · 2016-06-08T20:39:00+00:00

Here are the facts: (I read the police report and most of the trial transcripts).

She went to the frat party with her sister after consuming 4-5 shots of liquor and proceeded to drink more at the party. She was 23 and didnt go to Stanford.
PArty was crowded and she went out back of frat house and Brock Turner was out there with a couple other people. She consumed more beer.
18 year old Turner had multiple beers and multiple shots of fireball and made out with a "few" chicks that night. "Victim" was one of them.
While out back and "grinding" kissing, etc they leave in full view of "victims friend/sister to go back to Brock's dorm room.
On the way, he claims she fell and pulled him over by the dumpster and they started laughing/kissing. Here's where it gets hairy (no pun). He claims he was fingering her and dry humping and she was awake the whole time, rubbing his back and enjoying it. (Don't forget it was night time and very dark)
Dudes on bikes come by, go to inspect (peep) and claim she wasnt moving, yell at him and he runs. He claims he thought they were going to jump him and ran, gets tackled and cops come.
Chick at this point is definitely passed out and cops cannot arouse her. They arrest him and bring her to hospital.
Two hours later she wakes up, consents to rape kit test after the cops tell her they found her passed out and a dude possible raping her.
She has ZERO recollection of anything. cant recall calling her sister (which she did) or meeting him (which she did in full view of other people and kissed him etc)
Chick admits to getting black out drunk on multiple occasions. (Chick needs fucking rehab!)

My thoughts: After multiple fake stories (duke lacrosse, UVA rolling stone etc) feminists jump on the rich, white, privileged kid to prove their narrative of rape culture and are horrified of the 6 month sentence. Yet they don't seem to care when hundreds of female teachers rape their 13 year old students. Kid got more time than their hero Bill Clinton and his enabler wife and way more than Lena Dunham did for admitting to stick rocks in her three year old sisters vagina!! #doublestandards

Just an interesting side bit, how many of you have awakened to have your gf or some random chick you banged grabbing your cock or sucking it? I have on multiple occassions. Was I raped? haha. I never felt violated.

Alternate universe: Since he was very drunk too, what if she was jerking him off and riding on top of him and he passed out. Would she have been driven off, tackled, charged with rape, sentenced to jail and be required to register for life as a sex offender?

The police report: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/1532973/complaint-brock-turner.pdf

Turners testimony: http://www.stanforddaily.com/2016/03/23/brock-turner-testifies-in-ongoing-trial/

TL; DR She kissed and grinded with him in front of witnesses, they left to fuck in his room, after walking away, she falls they hook up some more and at some point she passes out while being fingered (NOT FUCKED).

edit: added links to testimony and police report

HeadlockBrock · 2016-06-08T20:45:55+00:00

Look at the prosecution's timeline and ask if it makes sense:

Dancing and kissing at the frat

(Start timer)

Leaving together, walking to dumpster
Pass out cold immediately upon getting to dumpster
remove her clothes, finger banging for a while
dry humping her leg until he gets caught

(20 minutes elapsed)

Police arrive and discover her in fetal position
Her BAC was 0.127 at 7am, estimated at 0.24 at 1am

TrumpRules2016 · 2016-06-08T20:09:29+00:00

Brock Turner is a piece of shit who should have gotten way longer than the 6 months. I think the prosecutors were going for about 6 years. Him and the affluenza guy got off way too easy.

enormous-radio · 2016-06-09T21:03:43+00:00

He had sexual relations with unconscious woman who obviously could not consent. As soon as he was caught, he ran. He knew that what he was doing was wrong. There is no excuse for his actions. Just because he's a good swimmer does not make him a good person , he should not have the privilege to get out early. I really hate that others are making excuses for his actions and putting the emphasis on how he feels. We should be focusing on the victim because she's the one who deserves justice and time to heal.

FisherTiger · 2016-06-09T22:38:39+00:00

Clearly, both parties had been drinking, and Turner was less drunk than the victim simply because he remembers what happens. According to the victim's statement, she only remembers talking to a few guys before "blacking out" due to alcohol consumption. According to Turner's statement, he claims the victim led him away from the house while they were hooking up. I highly encourage reading the actual police report, because it illustrates what I think that men calling Turner a "creep" and "monster" are missing.

The police report outlines a scenario that happens in college parties all over the nation. The situation where two drunk people hook up in a questionable location or hook and end up in someone's bed who they don't recognize is a college trope. Furthermore, anybody who has any experience blacking out knows that there is NO external sign that indicates someone has lost consciousness due to alcohol consumption. So for people, especially men, to vilify Turner so eagerly is astonishing because this could happen to ANYONE. Turner is just unlucky, and now he has to register as a sex offender even though the same situation happens on almost a nightly basis around the country.

Again, the reason I feel strongly about this is because this could happen to anyone. In a forum about sexual strategy, this is an important discussion.

AnonymousAurele · 2016-06-11T23:26:38+00:00

Seems Brock Turner had other run-ins with the cops, and also exhibited predatory behavior before:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/us/stanford-rape-case-court-documents/index.html

Demonspawn · 2016-06-08T20:41:17+00:00

Here is the simple fact of it. Social media is exploding, demanding justice or whatever the fuck those green-haired SJW's want.

The fact of the matter is they don't understand how law, justice, or equality actually work, and are demanding this judge be fired, resign, or removed from the bar. Thats not how it works.

If the plaintiff (The woman, the university, or the state) and her party feel as if the defendant did not receive the correct judgement, they have the absolute freedom to appeal to a higher court.

But they wont, because they don't understand the systems they speak so vehemently about.

The guy is going to be labeled a sexual predator for the rest of his life, spend 6 months in prison, and all of this for what? Because this woman does not have enough agency to not get plastered drunk, and by her own admission "...can't remember the whole night", and use that to take no responsibility for her own actions.

But lets go back to Brock. Is he creepy? Absolutely. He's as beta as they fucking come. But to remove agency from the women and place it on the man for engaging with a woman in a sexual way is what is ruining our society as a whole.

statface21 · 2016-06-08T18:50:28+00:00

im wondering about the details too but at the end of the day, never fuck/finger a passed out chick.

ISIS-the_Archer_one · 2016-06-09T10:15:16+00:00

Dude is a fucking psychopath. It really makes my day hearing that he's going to be on the Sex Offender Registry for life. Fuck him and his Ivy League pezzonovanti family

NietzscheExplosion · 2016-06-08T18:51:55+00:00

I think the most irritating thing about this case is how MASSIVE it is in all media even here in Canada.

Fuck off... tell me about latest the mass killing in the U.S this week.

hexicat · 2016-06-10T15:48:26+00:00

I remember being completely sober when I repeatedly said no to a guy but he still insisted himself on me as if he was getting more turned on that I was refusing.. so the fact that she was drunk could have been an excuse for him to take advantage of her...

Costafarian · 2016-06-09T16:40:08+00:00

What's horrifying to me is that while the SJW mob is demanding his head on a stick, nobody is suggesting that getting ridiculously hammered is really bad.

Literally nobody has stepped back and said "Maybe if I didn't make myself so vulnerably drunk, this shit wouldn't happen"

It's simply regarded as victim blaming because God forbid you don't have those extra 6 patron shots before you hook up with that cute dude in the corner.

Pericles87 · 2016-06-16T08:00:20+00:00

http://thepinecone.ca/?p=394

miles33 · 2016-09-02T14:02:38+00:00

if it was anyone else with out money they would not see the light of day. Let's be realistic. If this was your daughters rapist what would you do? Some one with drugs gets 50 yrs and a person sexually assaulting another person gets a slap on the hand. We as americans have become tooo soft.

Grammar-Hitler · 2016-06-10T08:31:06+00:00

We're not going to know the whole truth about this case until somebody makes a Netflix documentary about it.

npath · 2016-06-10T20:03:18+00:00

USA Swimming can do what it wants. If someone is too drunk they cannot give consent and Turner was with it enough to say he also could give consent especially considering to her. He had an alcohol content of .17 (twice the legal and she was .2 something) or around 3 times the legal. He didn't "rape" her. He sexually assaulted her. Clearly the definition is important since anytime, I touch you by accident it isn't rape. Touching your fingers inside someone is clearly sexual assault and a lesser crime but still very much a crime. Overall, 6 months in jail, 3 years of probation and being kicked out of school seems about a right for someone who was drunk which put his fingers in someone else. This isn't a morally decent act but the mitigating factors do show the assailant was also intoxicated, it was not rape. Emily Doe needs to grow up and we need to get over this idea that your virtous for being a victim. If someone stuck their hands on my cock. I don't think I would say, I can't live my life anymore. While, I don't wish this on anyone, the media's overreaction is typical of our victimhood culture. It almost makes you have to defend a guy like Brock only because what other people say are so draconian and have no basis of reality. It's as if he is a serial murderer.

stonepimpletilists · 2016-06-08T19:17:22+00:00

From what little we can see, this seems very obvious. Man convicted of sexual assault, receives very lenient sentence, because he's 'famous'

This isn't inside RP scope, this looks to be a straight up criminal with connections.

This isn't the droids we are looking for IMO

Luckily, so many idiots have poisoned the well when it comes to these cases, that now we have to look at every one of them skeptically. Though I've seen no reason to think this is among them.

scene_phase_survivor · 2016-06-08T19:02:33+00:00

He was sober and he ran when he was caught assaulting her behind the dumpster. He knew what he was doing was wrong. I also agree that 14 years is too long though.

HeadlockBrock · 2016-06-08T18:28:53+00:00

A few pieces of information that support Brock:

1) She had a boyfriend and yet was making out with this guy in the frat house 2) They seemingly left to go back to his place together

I was mostly in the 'he didn't do anything wrong, they were making out and starting to have sex when she passed out' camp, but the eyewitness testimony of the two people who pulled him off of her seems pretty damning:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/07/the-swedish-stanford-students-who-rescued-an-unconscious-sexual-assault-victim-speak-out/

“We can see that she isn’t moving at all but he is moving a lot. So we stop and think that there is something strange going on,”

He added: “Peter walks over and asks what he is doing and I am following him. When he stand up we see that she still isn’t moving, even the slightest, so we approach and ask something like: ‘What the hell are you doing?'”

Lionfish_Attack · 2016-06-09T04:06:46+00:00

I'm sorry, but if you're getting black out drunk still after college you have a problem. Nothing good happens to anyone who gets so wasted they can't remember anything. Unfortunately, this girl had the worst thing happen to her, but there is still some self-accountability needed for her lack of self control.

heapbigfun · 2016-06-10T18:50:50+00:00

The fact that people want this guy to be castrated, and filed under the same category as that Diaz guy (link somewhere in the comments), and simply cannot live with a judge that sees things differently, is why Trump needs to win the elections.

Of course it goes without saying that what this guy did is absolutely reprehensible. But we are talking about a 20 year old college kid who got drunk with this girl. Even if we accept that the sentence was too lenient, threatening the judge, refusing to serve with him as if he committed a crime... that I do NOT support, and it is a much bigger social issue than Brock Turner is, by far. We revert back to what is all too common in the United States: you're free to have your opinion, so long as we agree.

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